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Old 07/13/2018, 07:47 PM   #1
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Unhappy Dinoflagellates or cyano or diatom?

Can somebody help me to ID this thing, I thought it was diatom, but reduce phosphates, silicates and nitrates don't help at all. Only manual removal helps a little...

My tank:
Fluval 13.5G
Coral Pro Salt
1.025
Chaeto in refugium
Light 12h a day (stock light from Fluval)
Flow 240+425 GPH
Mechanical filtration, carbon. I used vodka dosing (1ml daily) before.

Any help? Any advice?

Thanks


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Old 07/13/2018, 09:27 PM   #2
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Can somebody help me to ID this thing, I thought it was diatom, but reduce phosphates, silicates and nitrates don't help at all. Only manual removal helps a little...

My tank:
Fluval 13.5G
Coral Pro Salt
1.025
Chaeto in refugium
Light 12h a day (stock light from Fluval)
Flow 240+425 GPH
Mechanical filtration, carbon. I used vodka dosing (1ml daily) before.

Any help? Any advice?

Thanks
Hi there....looks like cyanobacteria to me..... especially in that third pic. Have you tried several days with a total Black out....no lights etc? If that doesn't work I really like Chemiclean.

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Old 07/13/2018, 11:11 PM   #3
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Little more information. Actual current test results. Showing 0 or low nitrates means nada. It’s feeding off it. I’m seeing more Dino/Diatom, red stuff looks like cyno, never seen it grow on algae like that. I would go dark, and get ready for a run of small consistant w/c. Every other day, vac the gravel. Good luck...


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Old 07/14/2018, 07:08 AM   #4
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Thats dinos..


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Old 07/14/2018, 10:03 AM   #5
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Thats dinos..
Agree.
Cyano will roll up like a carpet if blown by a power head. Long stringy snot looking stuff.
That looks to be dinos.
Need to know your alk and ph.
Do you have a good skimmer?


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Old 07/14/2018, 10:58 AM   #6
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Deff dinos..
Only way I was able to beat them was a lot of syponing and water changes..

They are survivor experts..i do believe that I read that dinos have the ability to change the water chemistry to better meet their needs

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Old 07/14/2018, 10:16 PM   #7
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So, how to beat these dinos?

Do I need a skimmer?

Do I need to reduce phos and nitrates?

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Old 07/15/2018, 01:20 PM   #8
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I have read that keeping both alk and PH high.
Skimmers always help imho, raised the Oxy levels driving PH up.
Do a lot of searches and pick the best route(not the easiest one).


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Old 07/15/2018, 02:49 PM   #9
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Those are DEFINITELY Dino's. Get some Rowa Phos and a reactor to put it in. THAT will take care of the problem for you.


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Old 07/15/2018, 08:54 PM   #10
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So, I start my battle:

Put the Fluval PS2 skimmer in the middle chamber

Chaeto grows good in the first chamber

Shiphon as much as I can

Use PhosGuard and carbon

Vodka dosing (1ml for 13.5G)


I also try a*blackout and 1ml of*Hydrogen Peroxide daily.


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Those are DEFINITELY Dino's. Get some Rowa Phos and a reactor to put it in. THAT will take care of the problem for you.
I tried PhosGuard without any effect...


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Old 07/15/2018, 09:50 PM   #11
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How long has the tank been running?


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Old 07/16/2018, 07:51 AM   #12
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How long has the tank been running?
1.5y

So, I'll stop water changes and vodka dosing and add microbubbles filtration at night.


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Old 07/16/2018, 08:48 AM   #13
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Use PhosGuard and carbon

I tried PhosGuard without any effect...
PhosGuard will not work, it is cheap and does little.

Go with ROWA, expensive, but absolutely reduces phosphates to undetectable quickly.
Comes with media bag, 100g SKU is the smallest and would do your size well.


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Old 07/16/2018, 06:45 PM   #14
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PhosGuard will not work, it is cheap and does little.

Go with ROWA, expensive, but absolutely reduces phosphates to undetectable quickly.
Comes with media bag, 100g SKU is the smallest and would do your size well.
It will work without reactor, in filter chamber?

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Old 07/16/2018, 08:14 PM   #15
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It actually works best when sandwiched between filter media.
It also can be used in a reactor, but the tumbling speed must be very gently.

I put my "bag" in a simple HOB filter, sponge, then ROWA, then carbon on top.
I use 50g of the 100g jar (stuff comes wet). I am not sure how long it will last, we are only in week two, but I would guess, a month at most! Testing weekly for phosphates to determine this.

I think this is a "get what you pay for" thing, the absorption rate of phosphate is much better, had a bit of algae, just melted away in first week of use.

Can see no ill effects to any inhabitants, in fact, I thought my corals seemed more inflated than usual.

I will buy this product again...Got this tip from a guy in England, 650 litres and wow, absolutely pristine.


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Old 07/17/2018, 12:35 AM   #16
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I would put my money on Dino. I had it. I was able to beat it with a 3 day black to knock it back a bit then dose Dino X. It's good stuff.


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Old 07/20/2018, 06:18 AM   #17
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Hydrogen Peroxide 3% 1ml for 10g water is OK (twice daily) or I need more?


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Old 07/20/2018, 12:00 PM   #18
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UV filter killed my dinos in 2 days. 25w in a 40 gallon tank.


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Old 07/20/2018, 09:56 PM   #19
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I ordered a 40-1000x microscope to identify which type of dino it is.


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Old 07/21/2018, 10:45 AM   #20
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I ordered a 40-1000x microscope to identify which type of dino it is.

It's important to watch how they move around. The dino in the upper right of my video is moving around a centerpoint.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1o2alraNmsY


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