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Dan22 · 11/24/2009, 03:47 PM

I appreciate it DarG I've been doing a ton of research over the last week or so and I made my decision. I joined the club!! Thanks Jeremy @ Premium Aquatics

Orr2003 · 11/24/2009, 05:38 PM

Jeremy

I have the alpha 300 and I just hooked the pumps up with whatever nozzle came in them and put the skimmer in 10" of water and turned it on.

So my question is for the 300 which nozzle does what?
What water depth should I be running and with which nozzle?
How far closed should the wedge pipe be with each nozzle?

I realize finally tuning will be up to me but a good starting point would be nice.

Thanks

Jeremy B. · 11/25/2009, 08:45 AM

Hi,

The longer nozzles will pull around 1900-2000LPH for each pump, while the shorter nozzles will pull 2200-2300LPH per pump. I would recommend starting with the shorter nozzles that have more air draw. As far as the wedge pipe goes, it's hard to say, however set your water level in the skimme about 1.5" - 2" under the bottom of the collection cup, in the neck. You can then adjust from there.

Thanks,
Jeremy

Carlos Arouche · 11/25/2009, 10:12 AM

Jeremy,
After changing the nozzles for the short ones, and with 9´deep, even opening 100% of the water out pipe, the water level stays above the collection cup...

is there any way to down the water level ?

Best regards.

wozzauk · 11/26/2009, 12:23 PM

hi do you have the 220v models in yet im still wanting the alpha 200

also are the pumps 50hz

regards

warren

Jeremy B. · 11/27/2009, 11:12 AM

All 220v pumps on the Alpha's are 50hz, not 60hz. They're in stock and should be shippingon Tuesday.

dastratt · 11/27/2009, 07:23 PM

Hello I looked through several pages of this thread and did not see either of my questions discussed. I think they're easy ones

1) I'm planning a 200 g display with 40-60 g frag tank plumbed in and with 80 gal sump/fuge. For a mostly SPS tank well stocked should I be looking at the 250 or
the 200?

2) Can you run these external? All the pix I saw were internal

3) I would like to plumb directly from display tank downspouts to the skimmer, would be limited to 1000 gpm intake, 1200 at the outside. Is this too low for optimum performance? Is this a bad set up for this skimmer?

4) Realize this is an alpha cone forum, they look awesome but would take an
alternative rec if I'd be headed in the wrong direction with this set up.

DarG · 11/27/2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dastratt

Hello I looked through several pages of this thread and did not see either of my questions discussed. I think they're easy ones

1) I'm planning a 200 g display with 40-60 g frag tank plumbed in and with 80 gal sump/fuge. For a mostly SPS tank well stocked should I be looking at the 250 or
the 200?

2) Can you run these external? All the pix I saw were internal

3) I would like to plumb directly from display tank downspouts to the skimmer, would be limited to 1000 gpm intake, 1200 at the outside. Is this too low for optimum performance? Is this a bad set up for this skimmer?

4) Realize this is an alpha cone forum, they look awesome but would take an
alternative rec if I'd be headed in the wrong direction with this set up.

These are internal, in sump skimmers.

Not being recirc skimmer, you cannot feed them direct from the drains. They use a pump to pump water and air into the skimmer.

Big_D · 11/28/2009, 06:47 AM

With that much water voume, I'd go with the 250.

The reasonging for you only seeing internal skimmers is the external versions haven't been released yet, but they are in work.

As Darg mentioned, with them not being recirc style skimmers, you can't really feed directly from your overflow.

As far as other recommendations, I'd reccomend you wait for the externals to come out or reconfigure to be able to use one of the internal models. These really are great skimmers at a great price, especially if you order from PA this weekend.

D

dastratt · 11/28/2009, 09:49 AM

Thanks for the help.

Reefobsession · 11/28/2009, 12:06 PM

Hey guys, I'm new to the club. Getting my alpha 170 on Tuesday. Couldn't pass up on the price from premium aquatics sale. It was down to the 170, the ATB 840, or an I-tech 200. I think it was a no brainer. The red dragon pump is the best deal. Just for help, can you guys tell me how I should set it up when I get it. I am getting a new sump for now (tupperware), going to be upgrading in a year. I am going to have the water level at 9" and I think I will have the venturi out 2 turns. I will leave the valve all the way open to klet it break in for a couple of days. What do you guys thimk?

By the way, Jeremy was very helpfull and I appriciate his help.

janos · 11/28/2009, 04:07 PM

Hi to all.Would like to ask some help or opinion,bought the 170 Alfa in September, and still can not run properly.Not because am stupid,because i still don't got the parts what was promises. Each and every week i ask the local LFS,and he is blaming Proline Aquatics they do not send the parts.Think your guys are lucky because Jeremy from Premium Aquatics the first,and help to his costumer.Need some advice,Thank you for your time,and help.

DarG · 11/28/2009, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janos

Hi to all.Would like to ask some help or opinion,bought the 170 Alfa in September, and still can not run properly.Not because am stupid,because i still don't got the parts what was promises. Each and every week i ask the local LFS,and he is blaming Proline Aquatics they do not send the parts.Think your guys are lucky because Jeremy from Premium Aquatics the first,and help to his costumer.Need some advice,Thank you for your time,and help.

Contact Proline yourself and see what they have to say and/or if they are even aware of your LFS's request for the updated parts to your skimmer.
Find out if they have the upgrade parts in stock.

janos · 11/28/2009, 06:51 PM

Thank you DarG for replay,don't know as individuals they deal with me,but i try.

DarG · 11/28/2009, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janos

Thank you DarG for replay,don't know as individuals they deal with me,but i try.

No, I dont think they will send you parts directly but they should be able to answer your questions and give you information. They have answered my questions directly in the past and they have a sponsor forum here at RC. I dont think they would bother with a forum if they werent willing to address the concerns and questions of the end user.
Im sure that they would be willing to help. Try posting a question related to your problem and ask if there is someone you can call to speak with.

janos · 11/28/2009, 08:33 PM

Will try in his forum,and send a email to the costumer support.Thank you.

Proline · 11/28/2009, 10:06 PM

Janos
This is very strange, we supplied upgrade kits to all our customers for the exact number of skimmers they sold, however we do have more in stock.
Which shop are you dealing with?
Regards
Terry

janos · 11/29/2009, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proline

Janos
This is very strange, we supplied upgrade kits to all our customers for the exact number of skimmers they sold, however we do have more in stock.
Which shop are you dealing with?
Regards
Terry

Sorry Terry to blame you,but ORG (Thomas)blame you since September.Got email from Klaus send to Tomas,and he told me you don't have the parts.October,hi told me you send the parts,so more 5 day parts is here.Now it is almost December,yesterday he blame you again.So i really don't no how to end up this magic circle.Thank you for your replay.Janos

Proline · 11/29/2009, 04:50 PM

Interesting!!!!!!!! I don't see how this could be the case since ORG gets a palle-tfull of goods from us on weekly or biweekly basis.
You can call us 1-877-682-3474 & ask for albert he can include the kit for you in their next shipment
Terry

janos · 11/29/2009, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proline

Interesting!!!!!!!! I don't see how this could be the case since ORG gets a palle-tfull of goods from us on weekly or biweekly basis.
You can call us 1-877-682-3474 & ask for albert he can include the kit for you in their next shipment
Terry

Thank you Terry,and please call Thomas if you don't believe me.Do not see any reason to complain if i got the parts.And top of that you can ask why he playing that game.Thank you :Janos and i will cal Albert Monday.

janos · 11/30/2009, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Proline

Interesting!!!!!!!! I don't see how this could be the case since ORG gets a palle-tfull of goods from us on weekly or biweekly basis.
You can call us 1-877-682-3474 & ask for albert he can include the kit for you in their next shipment
Terry

Monday 1.14pm Talk with Albert,he will send to Thomas in this new shipments.
He explain what was the problem,so maybe i could get my parts.Thank you for your help.

Reefobsession · 11/30/2009, 08:08 PM

Glad to hear you got your issues resolved.

janos · 12/01/2009, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reefobsession

Glad to hear you got your issues resolved.

Thank you,i think only because Terry get involved.

Harpo1966 · 12/01/2009, 07:40 PM

Any ideas when the external version will be available?

Thanks

David

taklein65 · 12/01/2009, 08:50 PM

Will i got my A250 today this thing is huge and skims like there is no tomorrow with in mintues it had a thick dark brown foam head pushing its way up the neck. This thing is a giant jump up from the G2 it replaced. After 3 hrs it just starting to roll in to the cup. Will update in a week if i have no problems. Thanks Jeremy and Premium Aquatics.
Tim

11/24/2009, 05:38 PM	#352
Orr2003 Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: WV Posts: 862	Jeremy I have the alpha 300 and I just hooked the pumps up with whatever nozzle came in them and put the skimmer in 10" of water and turned it on. So my question is for the 300 which nozzle does what? What water depth should I be running and with which nozzle? How far closed should the wedge pipe be with each nozzle? I realize finally tuning will be up to me but a good starting point would be nice. Thanks __________________ If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice

11/25/2009, 10:12 AM	#354
Carlos Arouche Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brazil Posts: 193	Jeremy, After changing the nozzles for the short ones, and with 9´deep, even opening 100% of the water out pipe, the water level stays above the collection cup... is there any way to down the water level ? Best regards. __________________ Carlos Arouche de Toledo. Aquarist since 1998. Current Tank Info: 500 galon reef tank

11/27/2009, 07:23 PM	#357
dastratt Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 665	Hello I looked through several pages of this thread and did not see either of my questions discussed. I think they're easy ones 1) I'm planning a 200 g display with 40-60 g frag tank plumbed in and with 80 gal sump/fuge. For a mostly SPS tank well stocked should I be looking at the 250 or the 200? 2) Can you run these external? All the pix I saw were internal 3) I would like to plumb directly from display tank downspouts to the skimmer, would be limited to 1000 gpm intake, 1200 at the outside. Is this too low for optimum performance? Is this a bad set up for this skimmer? 4) Realize this is an alpha cone forum, they look awesome but would take an alternative rec if I'd be headed in the wrong direction with this set up. __________________ Alex Current Tank Info: 200g Deep Dimension 48"x36"x27", 10x36" ATI PM, Orca Pro II, Geo610, 60g frag, 80 g MRC sump

11/28/2009, 06:47 AM	#359
Big_D Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Newnan, GA Posts: 493	With that much water voume, I'd go with the 250. The reasonging for you only seeing internal skimmers is the external versions haven't been released yet, but they are in work. As Darg mentioned, with them not being recirc style skimmers, you can't really feed directly from your overflow. As far as other recommendations, I'd reccomend you wait for the externals to come out or reconfigure to be able to use one of the internal models. These really are great skimmers at a great price, especially if you order from PA this weekend. D __________________ To see my 180gal build, click my user name and select "Visit Big_D's Homepage"! Current Tank Info: 180g SPS dominant mixed reef, 6x80W T-5's on IceCap 660's and 2x54W T-5's on a spec ballast, Alpha 250 Cone Skimmer, Dual Compat Medical Dosers, Deltec KM500S Kalk Stirrer, 2-VorTech MP40W's, 4-Tunze 6055's, APEX Controller... and an empty wallet!

11/28/2009, 09:49 AM	#360
dastratt Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cedar Rapids, IA Posts: 665	Thanks for the help. __________________ Alex Current Tank Info: 200g Deep Dimension 48"x36"x27", 10x36" ATI PM, Orca Pro II, Geo610, 60g frag, 80 g MRC sump

11/24/2009, 03:47 PM	#351
Dan22 Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 14	I appreciate it DarG I've been doing a ton of research over the last week or so and I made my decision. I joined the club!! Thanks Jeremy @ Premium Aquatics

11/25/2009, 08:45 AM	#353
Jeremy B. Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN / Muncie, IN Posts: 8,219	Hi, The longer nozzles will pull around 1900-2000LPH for each pump, while the shorter nozzles will pull 2200-2300LPH per pump. I would recommend starting with the shorter nozzles that have more air draw. As far as the wedge pipe goes, it's hard to say, however set your water level in the skimme about 1.5" - 2" under the bottom of the collection cup, in the neck. You can then adjust from there. Thanks, Jeremy

11/26/2009, 12:23 PM	#355
wozzauk Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1	hi do you have the 220v models in yet im still wanting the alpha 200 also are the pumps 50hz regards warren

11/27/2009, 11:12 AM	#356
Jeremy B. Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN / Muncie, IN Posts: 8,219	All 220v pumps on the Alpha's are 50hz, not 60hz. They're in stock and should be shippingon Tuesday.

11/28/2009, 12:06 PM	#361
Reefobsession Moved On Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: IN Posts: 1,037	Hey guys, I'm new to the club. Getting my alpha 170 on Tuesday. Couldn't pass up on the price from premium aquatics sale. It was down to the 170, the ATB 840, or an I-tech 200. I think it was a no brainer. The red dragon pump is the best deal. Just for help, can you guys tell me how I should set it up when I get it. I am getting a new sump for now (tupperware), going to be upgrading in a year. I am going to have the water level at 9" and I think I will have the venturi out 2 turns. I will leave the valve all the way open to klet it break in for a couple of days. What do you guys thimk? By the way, Jeremy was very helpfull and I appriciate his help.

11/28/2009, 04:07 PM	#362
janos Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 30	Any help please Hi to all.Would like to ask some help or opinion,bought the 170 Alfa in September, and still can not run properly.Not because am stupid,because i still don't got the parts what was promises. Each and every week i ask the local LFS,and he is blaming Proline Aquatics they do not send the parts.Think your guys are lucky because Jeremy from Premium Aquatics the first,and help to his costumer.Need some advice,Thank you for your time,and help.

11/28/2009, 06:51 PM	#364
janos Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 30	Alfa 170 Thank you DarG for replay,don't know as individuals they deal with me,but i try.

11/28/2009, 08:33 PM	#366
janos Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Toronto Posts: 30	Alfa 170 Will try in his forum,and send a email to the costumer support.Thank you.

11/28/2009, 10:06 PM	#367
Proline Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 272	Janos This is very strange, we supplied upgrade kits to all our customers for the exact number of skimmers they sold, however we do have more in stock. Which shop are you dealing with? Regards Terry

11/29/2009, 04:50 PM	#369
Proline Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancouver Posts: 272	Interesting!!!!!!!! I don't see how this could be the case since ORG gets a palle-tfull of goods from us on weekly or biweekly basis. You can call us 1-877-682-3474 & ask for albert he can include the kit for you in their next shipment Terry

11/30/2009, 08:08 PM	#372
Reefobsession Moved On Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: IN Posts: 1,037	Glad to hear you got your issues resolved.

12/01/2009, 07:40 PM	#374
Harpo1966 Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Motor City Posts: 74	external version Any ideas when the external version will be available? Thanks David

12/01/2009, 08:50 PM	#375
taklein65 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Marysville, OH Posts: 116	Will i got my A250 today this thing is huge and skims like there is no tomorrow with in mintues it had a thick dark brown foam head pushing its way up the neck. This thing is a giant jump up from the G2 it replaced. After 3 hrs it just starting to roll in to the cup. Will update in a week if i have no problems. Thanks Jeremy and Premium Aquatics. Tim