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02/07/2018, 06:53 PM | #26 |
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Okay, that sounds like progress. Please let us know how the corals respond. I'd definitely drop the level slowly.
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so far so good nothing looking any diff torches and hammers till fluffy and puffy .. zoas open ill watch it closely
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well two day at 10 ml for one day and bumped up to 15 ml , phosphates are at .29 a little too fast for me . gonna lay off and lower to 10 ml for next dose
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I'm glad that the corals are doing well. I agree that the drop might be a bit more than I'd want.
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That said, the issue with dropping levels too much and too fast is two fold. First, is a rapid change in nutrients that corals and anemones don’t like. Second, the use of LaCl to drop the Po4 levels will drop alkalinity rapidly. The more you drop your Po4, the more the alk will drop when using this approach. It’s really critical to monitor your alk levels before and after because you could end up killing some coral if you aren’t careful. It’s good you’re using filter socks and hopefully they are 10 micron or less because the precipitate can kill some fish. If you see any clouding at all, you are doing it wrong and harming your fish. I’ve used LaCl regularly for many years. I’ve learned to never drop my Po4 a max of .05ppm in a 24 hour period and when I dose LaCl, I generally will space my doses apart by 2 or more days. Here is a video I put together discussing my method, doses and considerations.
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Hey thank u very much and I too agree I am a little shicked at how fast it dropped I will space apart the dosing as u rec...i have been monitoring parameters like crazy ...but will pay attention to alk ...no cloudiness in water and I may just dose at nite when the fish are not as active ....thanks again and I will chk out your video when I get home ....thanks again...
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So I got home have not had a chance to chk out vid bit that's next with dinner ...
I chk phosphates with the Hanna .17 yes way to fast .I have taken doser offline i will wait till Sunday and start drip in again... ph is down from a steady 8.0 to a 7.0 with a Milwaukee meter. Alk is down to 6.0 with a Hanna tester . Cal is 450 Mag is 1200 My question is do i top up with kalk or let it be.. I have to say my hammers and torches are puffy as hell Leathers are plump and zoas are looking good ... Is this something I can aim for in numbers everything looks good ... Thanks Tom |
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pH at 7.0 is hard to believe. Are you sure it's not higher? That should be a measurement error.
The alkalinity might be dropping due to the lanthanum chloride or increased growth. Some lanthanum will precipitate as lanthanum carbonate. Kalk is a fine way to add calcium and alkalinity, but I'm not sure I'd have two experiments in progress at the same time. I'd probably just add a bit of baking soda to get the dKH up to at least 7 for the daily low. Maybe the tester is a bit off, but the number seems to be reasonable.
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Well the ph meter could be wonky I will try to grab a test kit tommorow. I will let it stabilize and add some kalk ...
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You're welcome. I don't believe the 7.0 pH reading. The rock would start dissolving at some point around there.
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What do u mean the rock would start melting ...???
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As the pH drops, calcium carbonate becomes more soluble, and eventually the rock would dissolve. That's how calcium reactors work.
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ok well that is something I did not know ...I will have to do some reading ...
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in long using of lanthaium chloride, waht harmful it makes to inverebrates
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Lanthanum chloride generally seems to be safe if the precipitate is trapped and removed, and the phosphate level isn't changed too quickly. The precipitate seems to harm some fishes, possibly by clogging their gills, and sudden changes in the phosphate level might be cause problems for some corals.
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I'm only using this product periodically to slowly lower my phosphates because my phosphates are really high, and once I get them lower I plan to use Rowa Phos GFO in a reactor to lower the phosphates on a more regular basis. Am I supposed to drip Phosphate-E into a sock? |
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Does it form a whitish precipitate? If so, I'd use a sock to trap the powder. Brightwell doesn't give much information on the contents on their web site.
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you must trap the powd erimidyetly in a sepparatrd reactor, because in the moment the wahter comes in contakt with lansanum it happens
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If you fish are breathing heavy, you aren’t using the stuff properly and you ARE harming your fish. Unfortunately the instructions included on that stuff as well as other liqueid Po4 removers don’t tell you that you should use a filter sock and that’s likely because they would sell less of their product if they included that information. Your fish and breathing heavy because of the precipitate from the LaCl and the only way to prevent that is to use a 10 micron or finer sock. Plus, by using the sock, you are actually removing the precipitated Po4 from the water instead of allowing it to settle into your substrate. And dosing into or in front of the skimmer will not solve the issue as you have already learned.
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thanks Slief
I will lower the dosage and use a filter sock if I use Phosphate E again. I am due to check my phosphates this weekend....hoping they are low enough to stop using Phosphate E and go with GFO instead I'm also installing a ATS this weekend which I hope helps |
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