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Unread 06/25/2017, 06:25 PM   #26
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I gave up on Jebao .... mostly. I do use a pair of their smallest models for my sons nano tanks (still waiting for the MP5 from ETM), but have had all the others crap out on me and will not use them again. Of course, any mechanical item can fail, even things we might judge as being of higher quality. Tunze are as close to bullet proof as a power head gets, though I personally prefer the vortechs for a number of reasons.


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Unread 06/25/2017, 06:43 PM   #27
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I have four Jebao WP-60s. Two are 3 years old and two are 1.5yrs.

I've had hermits and snails get stuck and sponges/soft corals encroach far enough to jam the impellers but a little cleanup and they're fine.

For me, the vortech powerheads were terrible. Loud and failed so many times, I just left the impellers in the tank and removed the external drives. Great idea but terrible execution IME


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Unread 06/25/2017, 07:34 PM   #28
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For me, the vortech powerheads were terrible. Loud and failed so many times, I just left the impellers in the tank and removed the external drives. Great idea but terrible execution IME
Who knows, just bad luck perhaps. At last count I have eight - two MP10, two MP60 and four MP40 all of varying vintage - and haven't had a single problem with any that I'd judge to be beyond normal mechanical wear and tear. I did recently have to replace my first wetside, but that was on an almost five year old model. I did buy a MP10 used recently that arrived with a seized up dryside; because the prior owner hadn't kept it dry, which is apparently important


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Unread 06/25/2017, 09:00 PM   #29
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true. if only there was an independent testing body that could provide real quality data.


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Unread 06/25/2017, 09:03 PM   #30
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i just started running jaebos hopefully they pan out for me ive heard mixed results


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Unread 06/25/2017, 09:17 PM   #31
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This thread just seems kind of like a microcosm of western society in general. Just buy whatever is cheap and it doesn't matter where it's made or engineered (or stolen) or what country/citizens it supports as long as I can keep a few bucks in my pocket. Then when it breaks I'll just buy another one, who cares it's so cheap, and then the broken one sits in a landfill until the end of time.

No thanks.


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Unread 06/25/2017, 09:28 PM   #32
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They are all Ive ever owned because Im on a poor mans budget.. Never had a problem with the RW or the PP series.


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Unread 06/26/2017, 12:05 AM   #33
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Would putting a $5.00 home depot 24hr timer on the outlet plug help?


No I don't think so. They are on all the time already. It just seems that over the period of time one will simply lose its strength. Its like I changed the setting to go slower but nothing has been changed. Turning power off and back on seems to restore it??

It's very odd and I have never encountered this with any other powerhead.


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Unread 06/26/2017, 11:14 AM   #34
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I have 2 RW8's and a DC6000 return pump. All going on 2 years. The return pump and the PH's get cleaned maybe every 5-6 months, if I remember. The only thing I had to do to the PH's was change the ceramic bushing they come with because of seizing with the impeller shaft if the pump was stopped or below 20% power. Once swapped out with plastic bushings no more seizing.


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Unread 06/26/2017, 12:55 PM   #35
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If you need inexpensive, but higher quality and a company that does not steal IP from legit US and Euro companies and lie about it, then get AquaMedic Ecodrift. They are better on both accounts. They have real US and Euro warranties and support and you can feel better.


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Unread 06/26/2017, 02:25 PM   #36
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This thread just seems kind of like a microcosm of western society in general. Just buy whatever is cheap and it doesn't matter where it's made or engineered (or stolen) or what country/citizens it supports as long as I can keep a few bucks in my pocket. Then when it breaks I'll just buy another one, who cares it's so cheap, and then the broken one sits in a landfill until the end of time.

No thanks.
You forgot the part about actually spending more in the long run due to more frequent replacement cycles Oh and BTW, even though the thread was ostensibly about powerheads, even the thought of using a cheap, knock off main return pump causes me to breakout into hives.


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Unread 06/26/2017, 04:33 PM   #37
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I have a RW15 and MP40 both work perfectly for 2 years now.


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Unread 06/26/2017, 10:08 PM   #38
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So I'm done with Jebao. Too many bad experiences. However, I bought a couple Tunze 6105's with a multicontroller. My word I can't believe people actually praise these things?? The controller is a piece of junk with an interface that's incomprehensible. Reading old posts, sounds like the app was built years ago by some college student. No thanks!

I could go through 10+ Jebao's before I hit the price of the Tunze, and that seemed like junk to me.

I'm returning the Tunze items and switching to the Coral Box QP's. Not much more expensive than the Jebao's with a nice warranty and good design. I hope they pan out.


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Unread 06/26/2017, 10:22 PM   #39
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So I'm done with Jebao. Too many bad experiences. However, I bought a couple Tunze 6105's with a multicontroller. My word I can't believe people actually praise these things?? The controller is a piece of junk with an interface that's incomprehensible. Reading old posts, sounds like the app was built years ago by some college student. No thanks!

I could go through 10+ Jebao's before I hit the price of the Tunze, and that seemed like junk to me.

I'm returning the Tunze items and switching to the Coral Box QP's. Not much more expensive than the Jebao's with a nice warranty and good design. I hope they pan out.
I'd suggest you get them through Reefbreeders so you can get some decent support and a warranty on them...


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Unread 06/26/2017, 11:59 PM   #40
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I thought coral box was just rebranded Jebao stuff. The skimmers use/used to use Jebao pumps anyway.


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Unread 06/27/2017, 04:50 AM   #41
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So I'm done with Jebao...... and switching to the Coral Box QP's.
too funny...

Hey Jebao.. This is Fish Street.. Will you rebrand your products for us.. Sure.. We shall call them coralbox.. (sorry I know.. bad impression.. Needed more "Engrish")


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Unread 06/27/2017, 06:21 AM   #42
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i have friend bought them when they first come up, 3 years now still up and kicking. almost never vinegar clean. because of such good luck, he bought 2 new one for his others tank, both died within 6 months. yeah the old stuff is much better quality then the new gen.


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Unread 06/27/2017, 07:34 AM   #43
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true. if only there was an independent testing body that could provide real quality data.
Yeah, mean-time-to-failure data on these things would be most helpful. Otherwise it's just anecdotal experiences off sample sizes without statistical significance .... which is in part why the debate goes around and around and around.


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Unread 06/27/2017, 08:11 AM   #44
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Yeah, mean-time-to-failure data on these things would be most helpful. Otherwise it's just anecdotal experiences off sample sizes without statistical significance .... which is in part why the debate goes around and around and around.
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Unread 06/27/2017, 08:30 AM   #45
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This debate goes round and round because there are those that have the product and it works just fine and those that have had them fail and everyone puts in their experience.. plain and simple..

As Ron stated Jebao for the most part (like many other companies) doesn't put out the "best" product first go around.. But they are refining all the time and the product quality/reliability increases with each "revision" to it..

I will bash a Jebao WP series till the cows come home..I had one.. It crapped out quickly.. I will turn right around and recommend a PP series any day.. I have a few.. They are all doing great and have lasted through 2 tanks now and still going strong..

We all have opinions.. We all have budgets... needs/wants..,etc...
I personally do not want to drop hundreds of dollars on a powerhead... But I don't want to throw money in the trash either.. Live and learn.. I've learned that Jebao is capable of producing a decent product but its not going to be a generation 1 version that I buy..


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Unread 06/27/2017, 08:44 AM   #46
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This debate goes round and round because there are those that have the product and it works just fine and those that have had them fail and everyone puts in their experience.. plain and simple...
Er..... isn't that what I just said?


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Unread 06/27/2017, 08:48 AM   #47
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Er..... isn't that what I just said?
yes.. it is..


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Unread 06/27/2017, 10:10 AM   #48
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Are the PP the same as the RW?


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Unread 06/27/2017, 10:34 AM   #49
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Are the PP the same as the RW?
I believe there is a slight difference.. Don't remember exactly.. Magnet changes maybe..


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Unread 06/27/2017, 10:43 AM   #50
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There's a pretty high end reef only store that sells everything including jebao near me. All of his tanks have the jebao power heads. I own 2 of their poweheads with wave makers and I run them through my Apex. No issues yet, knock on wood. I've had more expensive brands fail in the past. That being said I'd NEVER run their dosers. Too much riding on it...


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