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03/05/2012, 09:35 AM | #51 | |
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The snakeheads do the exact same thing that the lionfish do. Again it is about numbers. Yes it would be good to get invasive ones for the trade but even if everyone who has ever been on RC got one for free regardless of tank size then what? |
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03/05/2012, 03:34 PM | #53 |
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There are a few extremely naive views of this issue being expressed here. I dive a few times off Deerfield Beach, Florida every year when visiting. In the last two years I've gone from hearing about them, to seeing them on every dive.
I believe that if you kill every one you see on every dive you'll never eradicate them. Why? The range they live at is so wide, from the surface down to a suspected 500' or so is about 450' beyond what any recreational diver can reach. Live catch and sell them to pet shops? The market isn't that great. Supply would far outpace demand. Additionally, many I've seen would be far too large for my 210! Selling them to the aquarium trade isn't really part of a solution, there are just too many. My personal view of the situation is that divers killing as many of them as possible is the best answer until a better way is found. What to do with them? I say pan fried, or ceviche... Tim BTW, I don't think I saw it explained here, but I've read articles pointing to the source of the invasion leading back to hurricane Andrew in 1992. It's believed captive fish were released into the wild by the storm.
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Large eels, frogfish and other scorpion fish are all predators of lionfish in the wild...
http://lionfishhunter.blogspot.com/2...preditors.html Shall we go for another cane toad episode? |
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What to do with them? I say pan fried, or ceviche... QUOTE] WHOO HOO. I SAY LETS TURN THIS INTO A RECIPE THREAD!! pan fried, with wasabe and soy sauce dip. mmmm batter fried with a teriyaki glaze blackened with a pontchartrain sauce lionfish poke with macadamias mmm mmmm. |
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i personally would love to try a large lionfish. being on the west coast, i wouldnt mind if it was flash frozen...
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I'm a little concerned about fileting them without getting stung. Fileting fish is problematic enough when you have half a case of beer in ya. Maybe the alcohol will protect me from its venom. That's going to be my excuse to my wife anyway!
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03/06/2012, 07:28 AM | #59 |
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In my line of work we deal with many invasive species.
Very difficult to control. We could list invasive plants and animals that have established themselves all day long. As much of a fan of lionfish that I am, killing these are the only logical option to control.
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As for the source of the introduction, there are several hypotheses out there, but only two things are actually known for sure: 1) The introduction started with very few individuals, approximately around 20; and 2) they came from the aquarium trade. The actual source of the introduction is not well known. The 1992 hurricane Andrew source is one of the explanations, but it is also entirely possible that they came from people releasing them in Florida when they got too big for their tanks. There are dozens of other Indo-Pacific species seen in the reefs in Florida, and the source of their introduction is likely the later (people don't want to kill or give away their fish if they get too big and just release them). Most of these other species haven't established viable populations yet, but if introductions continue they will soon be spreading out like the Lionfish. |
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Another hypothesis was they were released by recreational divers in the tourism business.
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Yes, when this first became a story 5 or so years ago, it was one of the theroes, and was talked about a lot. Some even said they knew who did it.
Just as you say, it made some dive sites interesting and profitable. Seems more realistic than hundreds of people dumping their pet loins ofter years of care and growth.
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I know there were stories in the fish mags several years ago, it was a hot topic at macna, in Boston, I believe, thats when they were talking about the divers planting them.
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Do we have an idea where the first introduction took place?
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diver and reefer jupiter fl on lionfish
I scuba dive in Jupiter fl and see average of 5 to 7 lionfish every dive very evasive species with no predators. The worst part is they eat and prey on small and juvenile reef fishes veracious appetites
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I've heard multiple theories:
1 - Hurricane Andrew (which I personally think is BS for a bunch or reasons) 2 - Hobbyist release from aquariums (that's how Florida got many of it's cichlids) 3 - Atlantis Resort in the Bahamas (it is my understanding that the open air aquarium is also open filtered with Atlantic ocean water and at one point, the effluent was not filtered or treated. So, any spawning event got dumped in to the surrounding Atlantic)
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