lanthanum chloride - Page 2

Osama · 01/07/2017, 02:51 PM

Thanks tkeracer and FullBoreReefer... I will try the LC as I had tried other methods including removing some very large LR and cleaning outside the tank to see LOTS of GHA reappear in big tuffs... Something is out of wack.. and I do not know what it is ..

FullBoreReefer · 01/07/2017, 06:02 PM

When I mentioned dosing the LC, I don't mean constantly or even daily. I did it maybe once a week. I diluted the LC

FullBoreReefer · 01/07/2017, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FullBoreReefer

When I mentioned dosing the LC, I don't mean constantly or even daily. I did it maybe once a week. I diluted the LC

For some reason it won't let me edit my post and locked up.

When I mentioned dosing the LC, I don't mean constantly or even daily. I did it maybe once a week. I diluted the LC in tank water first, if I remember, it was like 15ml in a liter of tank water. Don't hold me to that equation, it was awhile ago. Then I slowly dosed it over an hours time. When it was done, I removed the filter sock and went back to my normal no sock on my drains.

FullBoreReefer · 01/08/2017, 04:42 PM

Sorry meant to say RO water, not tank water. Man my mind is lacking these past few days LOL

bnumair · 01/22/2017, 04:02 PM

what is the difference in using Lanthanum Chloride vs Lanthanum Carbonate?

bertoni · 01/22/2017, 09:05 PM

Lanthanum carbonate is insoluble in water, so it can't be used for treating phosphate problems.

tmz · 01/23/2017, 12:31 AM

Lanthanum carbonate(LaCO3) is a precipitant of lanthanum and carbonate; lanthanum phosphate(LaPO4) is also a preciptant. Both are insoluble in tank water. Lanthanum chloride(LaCl) disassociates in water; the free lanthanum(La) binds with either phosphate or carbonate.

Osama · 01/23/2017, 08:04 AM

So Tom: Pls then LaCL only useful for our tank not LaCO3... not sure I followed

bertoni · 01/23/2017, 08:00 PM

Only lanthanum chloride is going to be useful to any measurable extent. You might see a tiny bit of precipitation on lanthanum carbonate, as we do on calcium carbonate, but that's about it.

tmz · 01/24/2017, 12:42 PM

Lanthanum chloride is what I use . Lanthanum carbonate will not efficiently bind inorganic phosphate at reef tank pH levels if at all.

stayawhile · 01/26/2017, 03:20 PM

I have used LaCl for a week or so.

I saw a significant impact on brittle stars ... big ones were very unhappy, small ones died.

tmz · 01/26/2017, 06:11 PM

I don't use it on living tanks and haven't for a very long time ; only for curing rock that is leaching PO4. Those who use it on live tanks pay a lot of attention to slow dosing and prefiltration with small micron filters around 5 micron IIRC. If the water gets a bit cloudy precipitant is in it which can clog the breathing appartuses of filter feeders and some fish.

bertoni · 01/26/2017, 07:04 PM

I'm sorry that the brittle starfish had problems. Did you have a filter set up to catch the precipitate?

jason2459 · 02/14/2017, 12:42 PM

Cool video on La and does mention aquarium use briefly as one benifit of the element. Cool channel too

https://youtu.be/0YhbvVhAudE

bnumair · 02/28/2017, 06:52 AM

so i have read conflicting reports. does LaCl effect inverts?
i dose daily in extremely diluted form (2oz in 1 gal rodi water over 4 days) running it through a 3 chamber reactor with 1st stage for reaction 2nd with floss 3rd with 5 micron sediment filter then back out to near input of skimmer.

bertoni · 02/28/2017, 02:36 PM

I don't know what effect, if any, lanthanum chloride would have on invertebrates other than the physical effect, such as the one the particles seem to have on fishes' gills. I'd be cautious in any case, but I am surprised that a brittle starfish would have problems, unless its breathing apparatus got plugged somehow.

LeJeune981 · 11/06/2017, 07:50 PM

I know this is an old thread.. but for the OP... did you ever try the LC?
And how did it work..

I picked up a scopas tang the other day... for no other reason than I liked the colors and I wanted a herbivore in my tank...

Fwi... she is now the best member of my CUC... I had a pretty good amount of GHA in my tank... been fighting it ever since the beginning (tap water.. using rodi now )

Anyways.. in about 3 days.. she cleansed my tank spotless of ALL algea I had.. even the specks on the glass...

Just wanted to offer my experiance to maybe help a little

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01/07/2017, 02:51 PM	#26
Osama Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Palatine NW suburb of Chicago Posts: 1,026	Thanks tkeracer and FullBoreReefer... I will try the LC as I had tried other methods including removing some very large LR and cleaning outside the tank to see LOTS of GHA reappear in big tuffs... Something is out of wack.. and I do not know what it is .. __________________ Current Tank Info: Mixed Reef : 500g (130X30X31)with 60g frag tank and 60g refugium (36X24X16) and 60g sump (48X18X16)// Previously:320g,180G,65g & 2X90g Current Tank Info: Mixed Reef DT 500 Gallons

01/07/2017, 06:02 PM	#27
FullBoreReefer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Wooster, OH Posts: 1,862	When I mentioned dosing the LC, I don't mean constantly or even daily. I did it maybe once a week. I diluted the LC __________________ 60x36x24 mixed reef. 40b sump. Regal 250int Varios. 4xHydra26HDs+t5s. 4xMp40wes. Apex2016.

01/08/2017, 04:42 PM	#29
FullBoreReefer Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Wooster, OH Posts: 1,862	Sorry meant to say RO water, not tank water. Man my mind is lacking these past few days LOL __________________ 60x36x24 mixed reef. 40b sump. Regal 250int Varios. 4xHydra26HDs+t5s. 4xMp40wes. Apex2016.

01/22/2017, 04:02 PM	#30
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	what is the difference in using Lanthanum Chloride vs Lanthanum Carbonate? __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

01/22/2017, 09:05 PM	#31
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	Lanthanum carbonate is insoluble in water, so it can't be used for treating phosphate problems. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

01/23/2017, 12:31 AM	#32
tmz ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Posts: 27,691	Lanthanum carbonate(LaCO3) is a precipitant of lanthanum and carbonate; lanthanum phosphate(LaPO4) is also a preciptant. Both are insoluble in tank water. Lanthanum chloride(LaCl) disassociates in water; the free lanthanum(La) binds with either phosphate or carbonate. __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: Tank of the Month , November 2011 : 600gal integrated system: 3 display tanks (120 g, 90g, 89g),several frag/grow out tanks, macroalgae refugia, cryptic zones. 40+ fish, seahorses, sps,lps,leathers, zoanthidae and non photosynthetic corals.

01/23/2017, 08:04 AM	#33
Osama Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Palatine NW suburb of Chicago Posts: 1,026	So Tom: Pls then LaCL only useful for our tank not LaCO3... not sure I followed __________________ Current Tank Info: Mixed Reef : 500g (130X30X31)with 60g frag tank and 60g refugium (36X24X16) and 60g sump (48X18X16)// Previously:320g,180G,65g & 2X90g Current Tank Info: Mixed Reef DT 500 Gallons

01/23/2017, 08:00 PM	#34
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	Only lanthanum chloride is going to be useful to any measurable extent. You might see a tiny bit of precipitation on lanthanum carbonate, as we do on calcium carbonate, but that's about it. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

01/24/2017, 12:42 PM	#35
tmz ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Posts: 27,691	Lanthanum chloride is what I use . Lanthanum carbonate will not efficiently bind inorganic phosphate at reef tank pH levels if at all. __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: Tank of the Month , November 2011 : 600gal integrated system: 3 display tanks (120 g, 90g, 89g),several frag/grow out tanks, macroalgae refugia, cryptic zones. 40+ fish, seahorses, sps,lps,leathers, zoanthidae and non photosynthetic corals.

01/26/2017, 03:20 PM	#36
stayawhile Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 1	I have used LaCl for a week or so. I saw a significant impact on brittle stars ... big ones were very unhappy, small ones died.

01/26/2017, 06:11 PM	#37
tmz ReefKeeping Mag staff Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Seneca NY Posts: 27,691	I don't use it on living tanks and haven't for a very long time ; only for curing rock that is leaching PO4. Those who use it on live tanks pay a lot of attention to slow dosing and prefiltration with small micron filters around 5 micron IIRC. If the water gets a bit cloudy precipitant is in it which can clog the breathing appartuses of filter feeders and some fish. __________________ Tom Current Tank Info: Tank of the Month , November 2011 : 600gal integrated system: 3 display tanks (120 g, 90g, 89g),several frag/grow out tanks, macroalgae refugia, cryptic zones. 40+ fish, seahorses, sps,lps,leathers, zoanthidae and non photosynthetic corals.

01/26/2017, 07:04 PM	#38
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	I'm sorry that the brittle starfish had problems. Did you have a filter set up to catch the precipitate? __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

02/14/2017, 12:42 PM	#39
jason2459 Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Iowa Posts: 9,671	Cool video on La and does mention aquarium use briefly as one benifit of the element. Cool channel too https://youtu.be/0YhbvVhAudE __________________ rebuild and recovery log: No more red house, you'll have to click on my name and visit my homepage! You can check out my parameters at reeftronics dot net website and look for my username. Current Tank Info: 180g mixed reef w/ a beananimal overflow to a dolomite RRUGF. \| 20g long G. Smithii Mantis Tank

02/28/2017, 06:52 AM	#40
bnumair Dr. Reef at ur service Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tulsa, Ok, USA Posts: 7,751 Blog Entries: 15	so i have read conflicting reports. does LaCl effect inverts? i dose daily in extremely diluted form (2oz in 1 gal rodi water over 4 days) running it through a 3 chamber reactor with 1st stage for reaction 2nd with floss 3rd with 5 micron sediment filter then back out to near input of skimmer. __________________ Water Quality: NO3 0,Phos 0,Cal 440,Alk 7.5,Mag 1300 "Reef Fast, You Crash, Reef Slow, You Pass" Mike's Reef 3:16 Current Tank Info: 350g DT,95g sump, 50g Frag tank, 4800gph return 4x Sea swirls. 6x AI Vega Color. 200# Pukani rock, dual recirculating skimmer, Biopellet, GFO Carbon rx's, Cal rx. Closed loop. 1.5hp chiller, genesis renew. Apex & RKE

02/28/2017, 02:36 PM	#41
bertoni RC Mod Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mountain View, CA, USA Posts: 88,616	I don't know what effect, if any, lanthanum chloride would have on invertebrates other than the physical effect, such as the one the particles seem to have on fishes' gills. I'd be cautious in any case, but I am surprised that a brittle starfish would have problems, unless its breathing apparatus got plugged somehow. __________________ Jonathan Bertoni

11/06/2017, 07:50 PM	#42
LeJeune981 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Posts: 747	I know this is an old thread.. but for the OP... did you ever try the LC? And how did it work.. I picked up a scopas tang the other day... for no other reason than I liked the colors and I wanted a herbivore in my tank... Fwi... she is now the best member of my CUC... I had a pretty good amount of GHA in my tank... been fighting it ever since the beginning (tap water.. using rodi now ) Anyways.. in about 3 days.. she cleansed my tank spotless of ALL algea I had.. even the specks on the glass... Just wanted to offer my experiance to maybe help a little Sent from my SM-S907VL using Tapatalk