Kessil Club - Page 59

potatocouch · 02/08/2016, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ERIC85854

Might want to reduce the color to 40 and maybe increase intensity. How high is the light off the water and how far below water line are corals. My inhabitants didn't like too much white light.

Hi Eric, i'm taking a guesstimate here as am not home at the moment (aussie time).

The light is approx. 20 cm above the water surface.

The highest point inhabitant would be my orange tip BTA, which approx. 15 cm below the water surface.

There's also middle point inhabitants would be my orange rics and red goniopora which approx. 30 cm below the water surface.

Then, there's hammers, torch, zoanthids and lord acans which approx. 40 cm to 48 cm below the water surface (sand bed).

What's your thoughts?

I guess what i'm trying to imitate the nature as close as i can:

Time Color Intensity
2:00 PM 0 0 dawn
3:48 PM 25 40 sunrise
5:36 PM 50 50 noon
7:24 PM 50 50 noon
9:12 PM 25 40 sunset
11:00 PM 0 0 night

darkim0285 · 02/09/2016, 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by vhuang168

I emailed Kessil about number of light reccomendations for a 72/30/24 tank and they said 2 if mixed reef. 3 if sps dominant. Sound right? Would it be enough depth (front to back) if I used the stock mount and mounted them parallel to the tank? Wouldn't mounting them perpendicular to the tank make more sense?

Did you get an answer to your question? I'm in a similar situation with a 175 Gallon Bowfront 72" Long x 29" Tall x 18" wide at the edges bowing out to 24" at the center. Two top braces which may create shadow problems. This is a total rebuild for me so everything is up grabs. Tired of the MH/PC combo and replacing bulbs every 10 months at about $200, and a chiller running just about all the time trying to cool off the effects of the MH's. Need to cut some electric bill and make things a little more trouble free. I was thinking 2 AP700's running side to side, or 3 AP700's running front to back. Lots of money though, don't want to screw this up. When 10 years the other way.

Finley Fish · 02/09/2016, 05:52 AM

I love my ap700's I have a 96x32x24h and have no problem with shadows. The lights are 7 inches off the water line. I am going to par the tank tonight to see where things are.

darkim0285 · 02/09/2016, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Finley Fish

I love my ap700's I have a 96x32x24h and have no problem with shadows. The lights are 7 inches off the water line. I am going to par the tank tonight to see where things are.

How many are you using? Two, Three, Four?

ERIC85854 · 02/09/2016, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by potatocouch

Hi Eric, i'm taking a guesstimate here as am not home at the moment (aussie time).

The light is approx. 20 cm above the water surface.

The highest point inhabitant would be my orange tip BTA, which approx. 15 cm below the water surface.

There's also middle point inhabitants would be my orange rics and red goniopora which approx. 30 cm below the water surface.

Then, there's hammers, torch, zoanthids and lord acans which approx. 40 cm to 48 cm below the water surface (sand bed).

What's your thoughts?

I guess what i'm trying to imitate the nature as close as i can:

Time Color Intensity
2:00 PM 0 0 dawn
3:48 PM 25 40 sunrise
5:36 PM 50 50 noon
7:24 PM 50 50 noon
9:12 PM 25 40 sunset
11:00 PM 0 0 night

Placement depth sounds fine. Try increasing intensity to 75% slowly and lowering color to 40. You should check with a PAR meter. I use a Seneye Reef for PAR and it seems fairly accurate.

Finley Fish · 02/09/2016, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by darkim0285

How many are you using? Two, Three, Four?

I am using 3

joesfiddy · 02/09/2016, 06:33 PM

Anyone have any growth pics with kessils?

sixpackgarage · 02/09/2016, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by joesfiddy

Anyone have any growth pics with kessils?

I have a few. There's a bunch I've posted in my blog over the last few months

rckrzy1 · 02/10/2016, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sixpackgarage

I have a few. There's a bunch I've posted in my blog over the last few months

What is your color and intensity ? I just had my 350's replaced with 360's so my old knob settings are not going to work. They operate so different with one setting for intensity and one for color vs one knob for each.

Plus I had 2-3 blues burnt out.

Currently running 50% color and 50% power and some SPS seems to be lightening up, not bleaching but am watching close. I started with 60% on each but backed it down to 50%. On my 350's was running blue maxed and white about 1/2 .

FYI I run the Narrow 360's and my tank is 39x24x22

rckrzy1 · 02/10/2016, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Spectorman

Also, yes....the WE and NE is in the optics. It has nothing to do with the array as they are identical. WE(wide) and NE(narrow).

Every WE I have seen just lights up the whole room, as in spills out which is useless to corals.

With the NE's I get good coverage on a 24" wide tank, 22" deep and mounted about 7" off the water.

sixpackgarage · 02/10/2016, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by rckrzy1

What is your color and intensity ? I just had my 350's replaced with 360's so my old knob settings are not going to work. They operate so different with one setting for intensity and one for color vs one knob for each.

Plus I had 2-3 blues burnt out.

Currently running 50% color and 50% power and some SPS seems to be lightening up, not bleaching but am watching close. I started with 60% on each but backed it down to 50%. On my 350's was running blue maxed and white about 1/2 .

FYI I run the Narrow 360's and my tank is 39x24x22

When I was running just the 360s here was my schedule:
12 HR cycle
8:55 10/80
10:00 15/85
13:00 15/90
15:00 20/95
18:00 10/85
21:00 0/0

Now that I'm running the AP plus the 360s for shadow control, I'm still playing around with settings, but all the growth pics were from just having the 360s under the schedule above.

rckrzy1 · 02/10/2016, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sixpackgarage

When I was running just the 360s here was my schedule:
12 HR cycle
8:55 10/80
10:00 15/85
13:00 15/90
15:00 20/95
18:00 10/85
21:00 0/0

Now that I'm running the AP plus the 360s for shadow control, I'm still playing around with settings, but all the growth pics were from just having the 360s under the schedule above.

So stayed close to max blue ? I need to break out my senye and check my pars.

I have a maxspect razor 16K 60W in between my 360's for shadow control.

So a possible 240W of Led over a 89G tank should be enough , just don't want to cook anything.

PatrikD · 02/10/2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rckrzy1

So stayed close to max blue ? I need to break out my senye and check my pars.

I have a maxspect razor 16K 60W in between my 360's for shadow control.

So a possible 240W of Led over a 89G tank should be enough , just don't want to cook anything.

Now I have two 360we on 100% intensity and 100% color for 11 hours!! The corals seem alright.

I have recently added one more 360 we which is on 100% intensity and 40% color 12 hours.

I have a 65 g tank. It has taken half a year to reach these levels.

rckrzy1 · 02/10/2016, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PatrikD

Now I have two 360we on 100% intensity and 100% color for 11 hours!! The corals seem alright.

I have recently added one more 360 we which is on 100% intensity and 40% color 12 hours.

I have a 65 g tank. It has taken half a year to reach these levels.

Backs up my belief that wides just pour out too much light out of the tank.

Only issue with narrows is the hot spot right under neath.

PatrikD · 02/10/2016, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by rckrzy1

Backs up my belief that wides just pour out too much light out of the tank.

Only issue with narrows is the hot spot right under neath.

I have very little light spill.* It's all about how high you hang them. With the we model there is less shadowing which is good with these point sources.

*Edit Actually I have some when the pendants are at the tanks edges for a while. Two of the lights are on a light mover.

potatocouch · 02/10/2016, 05:11 PM

Has anyone updated their firmware from 1.2 to 1.4?

I've been told the update was just for the user interface ... is it really worth it?

I mean if it doesn't break, don't fix(update) it right?

ERIC85854 · 02/10/2016, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rckrzy1

Every WE I have seen just lights up the whole room, as in spills out which is useless to corals.

With the NE's I get good coverage on a 24" wide tank, 22" deep and mounted about 7" off the water.

If it's spilling everywhere put it closer to the water.

ERIC85854 · 02/10/2016, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by potatocouch

Has anyone updated their firmware from 1.2 to 1.4?

I've been told the update was just for the user interface ... is it really worth it?

I mean if it doesn't break, don't fix(update) it right?

For what? The spectral controller? Mine came with 1.04.

Hentz · 02/11/2016, 05:36 PM

Looking to light an SPS dominant tank with possibly JUST Kessil 360 or the AP700.

How many 360's would I need?

Tank is 36x19x20 with an aquascape of only 24"

dh350twin · 02/11/2016, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hentz

Looking to light an SPS dominant tank with possibly JUST Kessil 360 or the AP700.

How many 360's would I need?

Tank is 36x19x20 with an aquascape of only 24"

Two 360's

malawinovice · 02/12/2016, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Herbie

2 360we's would be perfect for that set-up .
I had 2 360's on a 120 and it was about perfect !

Sell the 4 150's and move up to 2 360we's .

JMHO,
Herbie

Given the par reading wouldn't for a lps softie tank a ap700 be a better solution?

Herbie · 02/12/2016, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by malawinovice

Given the par reading wouldn't for a lps softie tank a ap700 be a better solution?

I havent tried an AP700 first hand yet, but that is also an option.

I can tell you that I have always had fantastic results with LPS using 350/360w/360we Kessils . LPS love the Kessil lighting from my experience.
For me, SPS under Kessil is still tricky territory . I have always had much better results with LPS vs SPS using Kessil . From my experience Montipora SPS seems to handle the Kessil , much better than the "sticks". Just my experience.

I would think for LPS and Softies, either 360's or an AP700 will work great.
I like the Apex controllabilty with the 360's . For now, the Apex will not control the Ap700 . I also think the looks of the 360's are a lot sleeker than the AP700 . Gives more room to gain access to the tank with just small 360's hanging there .

PatrikD · 02/12/2016, 07:09 AM

Kessil 360 grow and color acros if you have lots of 360's. I've seen it in my tank and others in forums. A long acklimatisation is required though. I agree that LPS ands some sps respond well to less amount of Kessils. My Euphýllia, Monti and Hysterix have shown great growth. The Seriatopora Hysterix is mostly brown however- I'm working on it.

lashoskin · 02/12/2016, 07:59 AM

Nice tanks! Good Job!

jtgrimes · 02/12/2016, 08:01 AM

Would keeping the kessil 360 at 5% intensity & color resemble actinic? Im just wanting to extend my reef light time just so I can enjoy it more, without it being to much on the tank itself with a higher intensity etc.

02/09/2016, 06:33 PM	#1457
joesfiddy Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Morris IL Posts: 518	Anyone have any growth pics with kessils? __________________ 250 dd, 180 reef tank 100 gal sump, 75 reef tank 30 gallon sump, 40 gal frag tank, 12 gal nano Current Tank Info: 100 gal long reef, 75 gal reef, 40 gal frag tank

02/11/2016, 05:36 PM	#1469
Hentz Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 2,016	Looking to light an SPS dominant tank with possibly JUST Kessil 360 or the AP700. How many 360's would I need? Tank is 36x19x20 with an aquascape of only 24" __________________ A Reef in the Desert: 120 Gallon (4x2x2) - MP40 x2 - Gyre 130 - ATI Sunpower - Simplicity Pump/Skimmer - Controlled by Apex

02/12/2016, 08:01 AM	#1475
jtgrimes Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eastern ,NC Posts: 322	Would keeping the kessil 360 at 5% intensity & color resemble actinic? Im just wanting to extend my reef light time just so I can enjoy it more, without it being to much on the tank itself with a higher intensity etc. __________________ "I glue animals to rocks" Current Tank Info: 110 Gallon Rimless - https://www.*********.com/threads/jtgrimes-110-gallon.637759/

02/09/2016, 05:52 AM	#1453
Finley Fish Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Posts: 20	I love my ap700's I have a 96x32x24h and have no problem with shadows. The lights are 7 inches off the water line. I am going to par the tank tonight to see where things are.

02/10/2016, 05:11 PM	#1466
potatocouch Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 201	Has anyone updated their firmware from 1.2 to 1.4? I've been told the update was just for the user interface ... is it really worth it? I mean if it doesn't break, don't fix(update) it right?

02/12/2016, 07:09 AM	#1473
PatrikD Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 111	Kessil 360 grow and color acros if you have lots of 360's. I've seen it in my tank and others in forums. A long acklimatisation is required though. I agree that LPS ands some sps respond well to less amount of Kessils. My Euphýllia, Monti and Hysterix have shown great growth. The Seriatopora Hysterix is mostly brown however- I'm working on it.

02/12/2016, 07:59 AM	#1474
lashoskin Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Algonquin, IL Posts: 74	Nice tanks! Good Job!