Aquarium Arts keeps corals and inverts @1.021 or less??????

evsalty · 07/12/2011, 10:55 AM

I just picked up some acans and snails last night and when I tested the salinity I was a bit shocked to find such low salinity. The acans were out of the coral tank in the middle of the main floor near the invert tanks. Both systems are seperate from one another. The invert tank was at 1.021 and the coral tank was at 1.020. I very much understand the keeping the cost down idea behind this but this store can not keep SPS corals alive for nothing and I am thinking that this is why. Seeing these low salinity's, I checked the calibration of my refractometer with my 35ppt solution and it was dead on so I know it is there water that is low.

This make me wonder what all the stores keep their coral/invert tanks at?

UberNoober · 07/12/2011, 10:59 AM

i've heard about them adjusting salinity for fish, not corals tho...hmmm.

adcarlon · 07/12/2011, 11:04 AM

I am newer at this, but is this done to prevent the spread of or the progression of certain disease? Keeping lower salinity for fish accomplishes this, right?

evsalty · 07/12/2011, 11:05 AM

Ya I would not have even checked it if it had not been for a recent issue of loosing a pep to too short of a transition/acclimation from 1.017 to my 1.026.

evsalty · 07/12/2011, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by adcarlon

I am newer at this, but is this done to prevent the spread of or the progression of certain disease? Keeping lower salinity for fish accomplishes this, right?

So they say for fish but it is also understood that it takes a salinity of 1.009 to actually treat for parasites with low salinity so 1.020 will do nothing for parasites.

If you go into their store you will see lots of SPS that are RTN'ing, STN'ing or bleaching. The frags they sell are what was still alive of dying colonies. They have SPS in three different tanks and atleast one is not tied into the other two yet all three have dying SPS corals in them.

kirstenk · 07/12/2011, 11:48 AM

Pets Inc keeps the coral and invert tanks at 1.023.

Fish are at 1.018

Pyrrhus · 07/12/2011, 11:54 AM

RC keeps all livestock at 1.025 give or take a point or two

evsalty · 07/12/2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kirstenk

Pets Inc keeps the coral and invert tanks at 1.023.

Fish are at 1.018

Thanks Kirsten.

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Originally Posted by Pyrrhus

RC keeps all livestock at 1.025 give or take a point or two

And thank you too Skip.

I like and frequent both of your stores and AA as I think all of you are great stores with your own niches. I have just been wondering for the past year or so , since Kingsley started stocking SPS again, why they are always dieing in their displays. What really gets me though, is that they do nothing about it but just frag off the good parts and sell them insted. If it is as simple as raising the salinity a few points to say 1.023 like you guys do at Pet's inc then wouldn't that actually balance the costs out over time?

Anthrax15 · 07/12/2011, 12:18 PM

Don't mean to hijack your thread evsalty, but which place sells 1.025 salinity saltwater?

tcamos · 07/12/2011, 12:24 PM

RC does. Just ask for the reef water. It might be 1.026...

Anthrax15 · 07/12/2011, 12:38 PM

Off hand, know how much it costs?

tcamos · 07/12/2011, 12:41 PM

I don't know for sure per gallon. I just bring in all my jugs and say fill'er up.

UberNoober · 07/12/2011, 12:46 PM

i think its something like $1.25 per gallon

tcamos · 07/12/2011, 12:55 PM

That's sounds right...but I confused myself by thinking I was just confusing $1.25 with 1.025.

Anthrax15 · 07/12/2011, 02:11 PM

Where would be the cheapest place to buy 8 5g jugs with lids?

tcamos · 07/12/2011, 02:17 PM

Wal-Mart probably. I think they are $10 at pretty much any of the fish stores that carry them. I'm pretty sure that at AA if you get one you get the 5 gallons of water for free that time.

lockekeyy · 07/12/2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Anthrax15

Where would be the cheapest place to buy 8 5g jugs with lids?

I think I got 2-3 used that I can give to you. A frag in trade wouldn't be turned down

but not obligated to

I can bring them to PROP if you're going. Let me know if you're interested.

Smo · 07/12/2011, 06:02 PM

evsalty - I posted this same issue with AA about 4 years ago.
I too purchased some peppermints and they died shortly after acclimation. Went back to AA, got 2 more pepps and then tested their water when I got home. It was like 1.020 or maybe less IIRC. Did a much LONGER acclimation and they lived for about a year this time!

Dbroncoboy · 07/12/2011, 06:16 PM

I seem to remember a thread about a year ago saying the same thing.... Could be wrong though.

JMCAquarium · 07/12/2011, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tcamos

I don't know for sure per gallon. I just bring in all my jugs and say fill'er up.

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dublo8 · 07/12/2011, 10:08 PM

I don't know what's going on with AA. They seem to get a grasp on bringing customers back in by getting some descent coral but then they do something like this. Or all of there coral are browned out. I really like that store and somebody is always asking if I need help, but there coral selection is sliding again.

savageAJC · 07/12/2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dublo8

I don't know what's going on with AA. They seem to get a grasp on bringing customers back in by getting some descent coral but then they do something like this. Or all of there coral are browned out. I really like that store and somebody is always asking if I need help, but there coral selection is sliding again.

I was at AA last week, amazing! they set up a new frag tank ( new to me) tons of beautiful corals! didnt see any sps though.. but everything else!

dublo8 · 07/12/2011, 11:44 PM

Yeah, they are getting better and absolutely love that place but it seems as though they are lacking compared to other nearby stores. We won't name any names. I wish they would step up their game a bit, because there are plenty of loyalists out there still, we just need a reason to visit.

tcamos · 07/13/2011, 05:44 AM

AA actually has quite a few SPS now. Not as nice as RC's but I would consider them good for someone just wanting to try SPS for the first time.

evsalty · 07/13/2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tcamos

AA actually has quite a few SPS now. Not as nice as RC's but I would consider them good for someone just wanting to try SPS for the first time.

Yes they do have many BUT look closely at them and you will see how many are dieing. They bring in maricultured corals and as they die they frag off the parts that are still alive and sell them. This is the part that concerns me as they seem to know about it, hence the fragging, but choose not to prevent it in the first place. I will not buy SPS from them untilI see all SPS alive for multiple visits.

07/12/2011, 10:55 AM	#1
evsalty hmmmmmm Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NW Mesa, AZ Posts: 3,531	Aquarium Arts keeps corals and inverts @1.021 or less?????? I just picked up some acans and snails last night and when I tested the salinity I was a bit shocked to find such low salinity. The acans were out of the coral tank in the middle of the main floor near the invert tanks. Both systems are seperate from one another. The invert tank was at 1.021 and the coral tank was at 1.020. I very much understand the keeping the cost down idea behind this but this store can not keep SPS corals alive for nothing and I am thinking that this is why. Seeing these low salinity's, I checked the calibration of my refractometer with my 35ppt solution and it was dead on so I know it is there water that is low. This make me wonder what all the stores keep their coral/invert tanks at?

07/12/2011, 10:59 AM	#2
UberNoober Rotate 180 degrees Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 1,239	i've heard about them adjusting salinity for fish, not corals tho...hmmm. __________________ Get up, Get out, Run! Current Tank Info: 75 Gallon Reef, 4 bulbs-T5 VHO lighting.

07/12/2011, 11:04 AM	#3
adcarlon Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 64	I am newer at this, but is this done to prevent the spread of or the progression of certain disease? Keeping lower salinity for fish accomplishes this, right? __________________ Aaron Current Tank Info: 30 gallon cube being built

07/12/2011, 11:48 AM	#6
kirstenk 23.5 Degrees Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 5,531	Pets Inc keeps the coral and invert tanks at 1.023. Fish are at 1.018 __________________ KIRSTEN REDUCE, REUSE, RECYCLE Reefer stabs Reefer in back over quarrel. Current Tank Info: 150g, 58g

07/12/2011, 11:54 AM	#7
Pyrrhus Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 2,713	RC keeps all livestock at 1.025 give or take a point or two __________________ Severe Knowledge In Plumbing

07/12/2011, 11:05 AM	#4
evsalty hmmmmmm Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: NW Mesa, AZ Posts: 3,531	Ya I would not have even checked it if it had not been for a recent issue of loosing a pep to too short of a transition/acclimation from 1.017 to my 1.026.

07/12/2011, 12:18 PM	#9
Anthrax15 Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,837	Don't mean to hijack your thread evsalty, but which place sells 1.025 salinity saltwater?

07/12/2011, 12:24 PM	#10
tcamos Reef, Crustacean, Puffers Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: East Mesa. Posts: 3,003	RC does. Just ask for the reef water. It might be 1.026... __________________ - Chad http://youtube.com/arizonafishkeeping Current Tank Info: 75 Gallon Reef & 20 Gallon Reef

07/12/2011, 12:38 PM	#11
Anthrax15 Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,837	Off hand, know how much it costs?

07/12/2011, 12:41 PM	#12
tcamos Reef, Crustacean, Puffers Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: East Mesa. Posts: 3,003	I don't know for sure per gallon. I just bring in all my jugs and say fill'er up. __________________ - Chad http://youtube.com/arizonafishkeeping Current Tank Info: 75 Gallon Reef & 20 Gallon Reef

07/12/2011, 12:46 PM	#13
UberNoober Rotate 180 degrees Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chandler, AZ Posts: 1,239	i think its something like $1.25 per gallon __________________ Get up, Get out, Run! Current Tank Info: 75 Gallon Reef, 4 bulbs-T5 VHO lighting.

07/12/2011, 12:55 PM	#14
tcamos Reef, Crustacean, Puffers Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: East Mesa. Posts: 3,003	That's sounds right...but I confused myself by thinking I was just confusing $1.25 with 1.025. __________________ - Chad http://youtube.com/arizonafishkeeping Current Tank Info: 75 Gallon Reef & 20 Gallon Reef

07/12/2011, 02:11 PM	#15
Anthrax15 Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Mesa, AZ Posts: 1,837	Where would be the cheapest place to buy 8 5g jugs with lids?

07/12/2011, 02:17 PM	#16
tcamos Reef, Crustacean, Puffers Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: East Mesa. Posts: 3,003	Wal-Mart probably. I think they are $10 at pretty much any of the fish stores that carry them. I'm pretty sure that at AA if you get one you get the 5 gallons of water for free that time. __________________ - Chad http://youtube.com/arizonafishkeeping Current Tank Info: 75 Gallon Reef & 20 Gallon Reef

07/12/2011, 06:02 PM	#18
Smo Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Tan Valley, AZ Posts: 1,121	evsalty - I posted this same issue with AA about 4 years ago. I too purchased some peppermints and they died shortly after acclimation. Went back to AA, got 2 more pepps and then tested their water when I got home. It was like 1.020 or maybe less IIRC. Did a much LONGER acclimation and they lived for about a year this time! __________________ Everyone has a photographic memory .........some just don't have any film. Current Tank Info: 29gal BB \| 42+ lbs LR \| 130watts PC \| Asst. Leathers, Frogspawn, RBTA(2), Mushrooms, Diploastrea heliopora \| Ocellaris Clown \|

07/12/2011, 06:16 PM	#19
Dbroncoboy Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Tempe AZ Posts: 376	I seem to remember a thread about a year ago saying the same thing.... Could be wrong though.

07/12/2011, 10:08 PM	#21
dublo8 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Morgan Hill, Ca Posts: 3,225	I don't know what's going on with AA. They seem to get a grasp on bringing customers back in by getting some descent coral but then they do something like this. Or all of there coral are browned out. I really like that store and somebody is always asking if I need help, but there coral selection is sliding again. __________________ 10g IM fusion. Zoa and SPS dominant, Apex monitored, Ai Prime, MP10, sicce return.

07/12/2011, 11:44 PM	#23
dublo8 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Morgan Hill, Ca Posts: 3,225	Yeah, they are getting better and absolutely love that place but it seems as though they are lacking compared to other nearby stores. We won't name any names. I wish they would step up their game a bit, because there are plenty of loyalists out there still, we just need a reason to visit. __________________ 10g IM fusion. Zoa and SPS dominant, Apex monitored, Ai Prime, MP10, sicce return.

07/13/2011, 05:44 AM	#24
tcamos Reef, Crustacean, Puffers Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: East Mesa. Posts: 3,003	AA actually has quite a few SPS now. Not as nice as RC's but I would consider them good for someone just wanting to try SPS for the first time. __________________ - Chad http://youtube.com/arizonafishkeeping Current Tank Info: 75 Gallon Reef & 20 Gallon Reef