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Unread 01/22/2013, 04:45 PM   #76
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I have lots also had them for many years, they came in on live rock. Difficult to see on liverock thats been in he dark for a few months but they survive somehow. On the odd day you are working on your reef for long periods of time you have to be careful. Wear gloves.
How easythe toxin is released i don't know. I do know if they are stressed by handling they seem to empty there stomachs and you get a stringy substance coming from them.


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Unread 10/06/2013, 12:35 PM   #77
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wow, this article was a serious eye opener for me. i will never boil live rock and always wear gloves while handling them and coral. thanks for sharing!


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Unread 10/06/2013, 05:25 PM   #78
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A painful reminder of how rediculously dangerous some everyday things in reefing can be.


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Unread 10/06/2013, 07:56 PM   #79
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Wow very scary, hopefully many can learn from your storey


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Unread 10/06/2013, 08:13 PM   #80
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hey what happened to supperrmario can happen to anyone of us. I was cleaning an old rock in my garage that had dried out and I did the same thing to my family and dogs. those brown and green pales are some of the most toxic pales in the ocean and are really bad when the dry out do not scrap them when they are wet or dry.

glad to hear you are ok I know I lost at least 10% percent of my lung cap to those palyes.


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Unread 10/07/2013, 12:06 AM   #81
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Wow that's really scary. Glad everyone is ok.


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Unread 10/07/2013, 09:59 AM   #82
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Good tip for novices and experts. Before cooking live rocks, it is a good idea to let it sun dry for a few days.


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Unread 10/07/2013, 03:35 PM   #83
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So what exactly do you do when you get these? just leave them?
Or is the consensus to remove with lots of protection?
Anyone use the green lasers on them?


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Unread 10/07/2013, 04:17 PM   #84
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Before cooking live rocks, it is a good idea to let it sun dry for a few days.
No! That's not what cooking means.


'Cooking' live rocks wins first prize for the stupidest term in a hobby full of stupid terms. 'Cooking' live rock has nothing to do with cooking, or boiling, or microwaving or any form of heat whatsoever. It has nothing to do with heating rocks and should never have been called 'cooking' in the first place! It was a term someone came up with because they thought it sounded neat, I guess, and describes a process of keeping live rock in the dark, in regular room/aquarium temperature water, for a very long period of time while performing periodic water changes. It has nothing to do with heat, or cooking. And it shouldn't, for obvious reasons.


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Unread 10/07/2013, 04:38 PM   #85
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Good tip for novices and experts. Before cooking live rocks, it is a good idea to let it sun dry for a few days.
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No! That's not what cooking means.


'Cooking' live rocks wins first prize for the stupidest term in a hobby full of stupid terms. 'Cooking' live rock has nothing to do with cooking, or boiling, or microwaving or any form of heat whatsoever. It has nothing to do with heating rocks and should never have been called 'cooking' in the first place! It was a term someone came up with because they thought it sounded neat, I guess, and describes a process of keeping live rock in the dark, in regular room/aquarium temperature water, for a very long period of time while performing periodic water changes. It has nothing to do with heat, or cooking. And it shouldn't, for obvious reasons.
Hmm.. I never explained how to cook rocks nor did I describe what "cooking" meant. Cooking can mean a lot of things like Muratic Acid cooking, Lanthanum Chloride cooking, what you've just mentioned above and people actually cooking it with heat as well. What I've said was, you should let it sun dry so any unwanted organisms will NOT survive. I use almost the same method as you but turn the heater up so the water temp is at about 88~90 degrees after sun drying it.


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Unread 10/08/2013, 08:32 AM   #86
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Hmm.. I never explained how to cook rocks nor did I describe what "cooking" meant. Cooking can mean a lot of things like Muratic Acid cooking, Lanthanum Chloride cooking, what you've just mentioned above and people actually cooking it with heat as well. What I've said was, you should let it sun dry so any unwanted organisms will NOT survive. I use almost the same method as you but turn the heater up so the water temp is at about 88~90 degrees after sun drying it.
Ok, sorry if I jumped the gun there. For all the misconceptions in this hobby, this is one which can have very serious consequences not just for the aquarium, but for the aquarist. Bad hair algae is one thing... a dead spouse is another. So I guess it's just frustrating to see the term applied so casually to so many different things. This is not good for people new to the hobby.

For what it's worth, drying rock in the sun may kill the polyps, but it doesn't by any means guarantee that the toxin within the polyps is neutralized. I know you didn't say anything to the contrary... I'm just pointing that out for others who might read this.


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Unread 10/08/2013, 08:41 AM   #87
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good to hear everything is ok now. i have heard of boiling rocks prior to putting them in the tank but not after taking them out to basically become dry rock. what was the purpose of that?

just read further and saw your response.. get it now.


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Unread 10/08/2013, 10:36 AM   #88
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Knowing is one thing, but it is also a good idea to let other people know in case they find you on the floor after you've been playing with your tank one day.


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Unread 10/08/2013, 11:52 AM   #89
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Wow, that is scary. Glad you, and your family are ok now!


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Unread 01/27/2014, 06:25 PM   #90
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Bump it up for novices...


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Unread 01/27/2014, 07:10 PM   #91
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Have always feared zoo's for this very reason. Heard many other stories like urs and worse.
Hope all is well now.


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Unread 01/27/2014, 07:11 PM   #92
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Have always feared zoo's for this very reason. Heard many other stories like urs and worse.
Hope all is well now.
Thx.. One year post issue and we are doing well.


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Unread 01/27/2014, 07:59 PM   #93
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Why is this not a sticky? It should be


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Unread 01/27/2014, 09:34 PM   #94
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Unread 11/22/2014, 11:39 AM   #95
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boiling live rock.

This is indeed a learning experience for me..and here's my story... yesterday I decided to boil my rock to kill pieces of aptasia that was becoming a problem in my tank. I started putting a piece at a time in a pot and began boiling them. My cousin came by to say hi and we began talking and I forget the rock is at a full boil for 30 mins.our conversation starts to come to a close and I notice she starts coughing as if something is irritating her, she leaves the house and I cut of the stove and I realized the kitchen is full of fumes and I open the windows and front door to get it out of the house. I leave the house to do some errands and on my way back I start feeling as if I'm getting a cold. Chest pain, chills, headache. I go to sleep waking up from time to time and realizing that I'm sweating and am soaking wet. I wake up in the morning feeling as if someone hit with a bat ! About an hour or to I start feeling much better and started drinking a lot of water to flush my system. I'm very lucky to be alive. NEVER BOIL LIVE ROCK !!!!


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Unread 11/22/2014, 08:07 PM   #96
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This is indeed a learning experience for me..and here's my story... yesterday I decided to boil my rock to kill pieces of aptasia that was becoming a problem in my tank. I started putting a piece at a time in a pot and began boiling them. My cousin came by to say hi and we began talking and I forget the rock is at a full boil for 30 mins.our conversation starts to come to a close and I notice she starts coughing as if something is irritating her, she leaves the house and I cut of the stove and I realized the kitchen is full of fumes and I open the windows and front door to get it out of the house. I leave the house to do some errands and on my way back I start feeling as if I'm getting a cold. Chest pain, chills, headache. I go to sleep waking up from time to time and realizing that I'm sweating and am soaking wet. I wake up in the morning feeling as if someone hit with a bat ! About an hour or to I start feeling much better and started drinking a lot of water to flush my system. I'm very lucky to be alive. NEVER BOIL LIVE ROCK !!!!

I presume you have checked with your cousin that she is ok?


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Unread 11/23/2014, 09:30 AM   #97
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Palytoxin is no joke.

We don't need long drawn out stories, just a warning... in a sticky

DO NOT BOIL ROCK. It is a really dumb thing to do. (If I had a $100 for each time I heard someone was going to boil rocks this hobby would be free).

I was hit by using hot water out of the tap to clean an overflow part. Yay for the ER!


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Unread 02/05/2016, 02:02 PM   #98
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Well, reviving an old thread, but a good one. I did the same thing last night. The difference, instead of boiling the rocks, I soaked them in vinegar, cooking the Z&P with acid.

I'm living the same story in the OPs first post now without the trip to the ER. It's about 18hrs after exposure and the FLU like symptoms are gone, but the chest pain is still here as well as the labored breathing.

TAKE HEAD! Vinegar cooking can cause the same airborne toxin as boiling.


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Unread 02/05/2016, 02:23 PM   #99
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This is a sticky in the New Reefers section.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2515630

It happened to my scrubbing algae off my rocks, and some Zoa's. I will NEVER have Zoas in my tank.


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Unread 02/05/2016, 06:38 PM   #100
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Good tip for novices and experts. Before cooking live rocks, it is a good idea to let it sun dry for a few days.
how are you so sure the toxin gets degraded by the sun after a few days? what if the corals tissue dries up and the toxin is still in there? not that simple as u would think i think


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