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Unread 04/05/2016, 07:55 AM   #1
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Exclamation Percula clownfish w/ unknown disease, HELP

I have had these clowns over 3 weeks, on looks completely healthy while the other one has a small gray spot on his chin, bigger diameter than ich, and slime or some sort all over him. He is eating very well, twice a day. My parameters are all good and within the recommended ranges. They are currently in a small QT and being treated daily with Seachem Paragard. Can anyone help me identify what this is before it gets to severe. His behavior hasn't changed one bit, usually sleeps on the bottom or at the very top in the back corner with the other one. I thought it was brooklynella, but I had clowns long ago that died in hours from that disease, and he has had the spot on his chin since the beginning.


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Unread 04/05/2016, 08:06 AM   #2
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Unread 04/05/2016, 03:04 PM   #3
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Looks like Brooklynella.
You need to get some formalin (FishVet Formalin MS) ASAP and give that fish a bath.


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Unread 04/05/2016, 10:26 PM   #4
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Ok thanks so much, I really appreciate the response


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Unread 04/11/2016, 10:09 AM   #5
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Ok, so I got the exact Formalin you suggested. I've done 3 dips, first one for 50 mins, the next day did one for 30 mins, and did one today(consecutive 3rd day) for 30 mins. Almost all, if not almost all of the whitish slime or coating on his body is gone. He still eats like a champ as before treatment. How many more dips should I do? he still has that grayish spot on his chin. Should I do a 4th dip tomorrow and then just start adding 2 drops per gallon every other day like the instructions suggest for dosing of 37% Formalin in the QT tank?


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Unread 04/11/2016, 10:32 AM   #6
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Ok, so I got the exact Formalin you suggested. I've done 3 dips, first one for 50 mins, the next day did one for 30 mins, and did one today(consecutive 3rd day) for 30 mins. Almost all, if not almost all of the whitish slime or coating on his body is gone. He still eats like a champ as before treatment. How many more dips should I do? he still has that grayish spot on his chin. Should I do a 4th dip tomorrow and then just start adding 2 drops per gallon every other day like the instructions suggest for dosing of 37% Formalin in the QT tank?
After the dip, are they going into clean water?


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Unread 04/11/2016, 05:23 PM   #7
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Yeah, I cycle the water in the QT to a bucket, then use new water in the QT tank , match the parameters and while they are dipped allows the QT tank to warm up if need be. And once they are back in the QT tank I add some fresh water to make the salinity more like 1.020.


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Do you actually clean and sterilize the QT or do you just fill it with fresh saltwater.

BTW: fresh water and freshwater are not the same.


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No I have just been rinsing it then filling it with new water. What's the best way to sterilize it? Boil tap water then light rinse then fill? The Gary spot on his chin this morning has a black dot or dark brownish dot in the middle of it.


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I believe what they're suggesting is a second QT tank and equipment. So when you empty the first tank and do a dip, the fish then goes into the second tank with all different gear (heater, air line/stone, and tank). Then clean everything in the first tank and equipment with bleach to sterilize it. Let the first tank dry for at least a day. It will then be ready for after the next dip.

Rinse and repeat.


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Unread 04/12/2016, 04:59 PM   #11
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No I don't have that many tanks. I did the formalin and used their tanks water again, this time I boiled water and cleaned the tank while they were in dip. Hope it's enough, cause I'm running out of resources and options.


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I believe what they're suggesting is a second QT tank and equipment. So when you empty the first tank and do a dip, the fish then goes into the second tank with all different gear (heater, air line/stone, and tank). Then clean everything in the first tank and equipment with bleach to sterilize it. Let the first tank dry for at least a day. It will then be ready for after the next dip.

Rinse and repeat.
That would be preferred


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Best are two tanks. If only one is available wash it with bleach and then rinse it well. Do not fill boiling water into a glass or acrylic tank - glass will crack and acrylic may deform.

That gray spot with the black could be a fungal or bacterial infection.


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Unread 04/14/2016, 08:04 AM   #14
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Will the 37% Formalin take care of that or should I be treating that as well in the clean tank?


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Heres a pic of it.


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Unread 04/14/2016, 05:42 PM   #16
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Just an update, I'm beginning to think its not brooklynella, cause the other 2 fish in the QT look amazing. And the noticeably sick clown from the pics looks the same after so many 50 min formalin dips and he's eating like a boss.


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Unread 04/14/2016, 07:53 PM   #17
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If formalin dips don't show effect it may be bacterial. Try amoxicillin (Fish Mox) - that worked for my percula.


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Unread 04/14/2016, 09:59 PM   #18
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I'll look into it, the guy at the fish store told me I might need to increase the dosage of formalin to be effective. I have done so because I don't want to kill me fish even though he seems fine in the 50 dips. Still weighing my options. One thing I just noticed is at night time when the lights are off he turns pale, or color loss whereas the other clown looks normal day and night. Not sure what that might point to as a possibility.


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So I bought the Fish Mox, should be here in a few days. I went ahead and did the double dose of formalin for 50 mins. All the fish made it through the process. I cleaned the tank and sterilized it. A good portion of the slime white stuff on him seems to have either gone microscopic, meaning you can barely see anything.


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The Fish Mox is suppose to be in today, bad weather has slowed the shipping down. The clown no longer has the slime on its body, but is very pale in color, top dorsal fin is camped down. He seems to swim down into the air bubbles from the air stone occasionally and is eating very aggressively, like dashing and gobbling up the food fast. Still rapid breathing but isn't hanging near the top gasping for air. Any ideas? I recently did a 5ml per gallon dip of Rid Ich(formalin based) for 35 mins, which seemed to improve his health with the possible brooklynella. Please help. Parameters are good, gets a 25-50% water change everyday to deal with ammonia possibility issues.


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