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Unread 08/02/2006, 05:24 AM   #151
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"Originally posted by RichConley"
If CO2 is the issue, skimmers should HELP


"Originally posted by Pledosophy"
Research has shown this to be false. Please provide a link backing your statements.

"Originally posted by RichConley"
Please provide scientifically credible research papers proving otherwise.


But then RichConley provides the information and states it is a scientifically accepted concept. So he is arguing both sides of the fence?

If you have poor air circulation, such as in an airconditioned house, you will get a higher concentration of CO2 than in a naturally ventilated house. So a skimmer will then increase the CO2 in the tank in this circumstance.

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Any increase in surface/air area will bring the concentration of CO2 in the water closer to that of the air. If your house has a high CO2 content, it'll bring it up, if it has a low concentration, it'll bring it down.

Please provide a link disproving this scientifically accepted concept.



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Unread 08/02/2006, 05:30 AM   #152
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I asked on Seahorse.org whether I should run a skimmer a while back. The overwhelming response was "NO!"

Please provide links proving that skimmers are encouraged on Seahorse.org.
So the overwhelming response of the forum members of seahorse.org was 'NO' dont use a skimmer in your seahorse tank. So this defines seahorse.org as having an evil mantra about skimmers.

Interestingly there is a high number of people in FishGrill's survey that dont use a skimmer in their seahorse tank, so ReefCentral must now also have an Evil Mantra about skimmers.


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Unread 08/02/2006, 08:47 AM   #153
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But then RichConley provides the information and states it is a scientifically accepted concept. So he is arguing both sides of the fence?

If you have poor air circulation, such as in an airconditioned house, you will get a higher concentration of CO2 than in a naturally ventilated house. So a skimmer will then increase the CO2 in the tank in this circumstance.
Right, but thats not a skimmer issue. THats a CO2 issue. A tank in that house is going to have High CO2 (and low PH) whether or not you use a skimmer.


The skimmer isnt making the CO2 higher, it just pulls it towards the local environment. It negates any effect things in the tank are having. IE if the macro is pulling out more CO2 than the livestock are adding, the skimmer will net be adding CO2. If the macro is pulling out less CO2 than the livestock is putting in, then the skimmer will net reduce CO2.

It does exactly the same thing pointing a powerhead at the surface does. It WILL NOT cause supersaturation of CO2 like someone claimed earlier.


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Unread 08/02/2006, 08:51 AM   #154
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So the overwhelming response of the forum members of seahorse.org was 'NO' dont use a skimmer in your seahorse tank. So this defines seahorse.org as having an evil mantra about skimmers.

Interestingly there is a high number of people in FishGrill's survey that dont use a skimmer in their seahorse tank, so ReefCentral must now also have an Evil Mantra about skimmers.
Mal, you missed my point.

It doesnt matter at this point. What matters is that the distribution of people using skimmers NOW on seahorse tanks is not the same as when that survey was started, so the data cant really be compared.


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Unread 08/02/2006, 09:01 AM   #155
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Mal, you missed my point.
Which point! I think we are beginning to miss the points from everyone. I have given up on this thread! I see nothing useful coming out of it at this point!

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Unread 08/02/2006, 11:29 AM   #156
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What matters is that the distribution of people using skimmers NOW on seahorse tanks is not the same as when that survey was started, so the data cant really be compared.
DanU, point above ^^^


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Rich Colon: See DanU's point.


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