experiences and opinions re: Nigers

LauraCline · 02/11/2008, 08:34 PM

I'm looking for feedback from folks who have actual exprience with Nigers, I've read alot already. I've got an extra 90 gallon setup sitting around that I am trying to decide what to do with. I really like Niger triggers, I think they are highly under-rated. If I got a small one, how long would he comfortably live in the 90 (larger tank not a problem whenever needed)? If I do end up going that route, could he go in with a toby puffer, a purple psuedochromis, and a chocolate chip star? I already have them in a different tank but I do not want to risk those guys at all and they can stay comfortably where they are if not compatible. If a Niger is not compatible with those guys, would he be better off alone or would he be alright in the 90 with 1 or 2 more fish? Also, how big is the Niger really going to get? I've read fishbase too and see that they supposedly get 20" but, I have never seen one more than about 12". I've been told the growth slows dramatically after 6-8" in size is reached. How big are yours for those of you that have or have had them and how long to attain that size? I feed heavily 1-2 times per day ocassionally skipping a day. As far as aggression goes, what type of behavior am I likely to encounter at what sizes? Any and all info you have would be helpful. Thanks

Gary Majchrzak · 02/11/2008, 08:38 PM

here's a good read:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...readid=1313239

LauraCline · 02/11/2008, 08:44 PM

Thank you Gary, very informative!

Gary Majchrzak · 02/11/2008, 08:46 PM

you're welcome Laura. I'm also interested in reading the responses you get here

LauraCline · 02/11/2008, 08:55 PM

How active was the one you showed in the 300 gallon Gary? The large one I saw spent most of his time wedged in a rock cave unless food was involved. I'm concerned about the size of the 90 compared to the fish's size/activity level and growth rate. It's difficult to judge a fish at the store vs. your tank at home and also try to imagine the fish at maximum size. These guys also get quite a bit of girth on them.

Gary Majchrzak · 02/11/2008, 08:59 PM

the Niger in my pix is very active.
It only goes into rock crevices to sleep or get cleaned.

prime99 · 02/11/2008, 09:52 PM

I had a niger for two years. I started him out in a 75 with a dragon wrasse and a rectangular trigger. They were all small and introduced within a month of each other, so there were no aggression issues between them. My niger was pretty mellow and allowed the rectangular trigger to be the boss. The only aggression I saw was with fish I tried to add after they were established.

I fed about three times a day and his growth rate was not extreme. He went from 1" to maybe 4" in the two years I had him. I did have to move all three fish into a 150 after the first year.

My niger had great personality and would spit water to get my attention. Overall great fish.

seawandrr · 02/11/2008, 10:22 PM

We thought we'd give the "every fish is different, lets see how ours turns out" trial of a Niger in our reef.

He never killed anyone, but after a year, he was clearly the cause of moderate to great amounts of stress in almost every other fish in the tank.

We did catch him repeatedly nipping the streamers off our fang blenny as some kind of game.

During a move, he got shifted from the reef to the FOWLR tank, where he's now in good company (another trigger and a GSM pair)

Our Reef is now a peaceful place, and the next time a trigger goes into it, it'll be a crosshatch pair after we get *that* big tank set up.

LauraCline · 02/12/2008, 11:27 AM

thanks prime99 and seawanderr, well if I do decide to get one for the 90, he will either be alone or with 1-2 aggressive type fish. It's going to be a month or 2 before I get around to setting that tank up because I'm busy with other projects right now. In the meantime, I would like to hear more of your experiences.

jay2525 · 02/12/2008, 06:49 PM

I have a pair of them in my tank. they started off 2.5 inches and are now about 3 inches. It's been about 6 months for them. They are both very docile at this point. However past experiences say that in the next year the growth will take off, and so will some aggression.

Titan*69 · 02/13/2008, 10:59 AM

I first got a small one back in 2003 and initially things were good, rather passive and would only turn it up come feeding time. At the time it's tankmates were a couple YT damsels, hepatus tang and a PBT. Even at 2.5" the niger got chew on tail happy which cost me some fish from being stressed; I pulled him out and returned him to my LFS.

In 2005 I went into another LFS I rarely visit and they had a 5-5.5" niger in a 20L that was being strickly fed FW feeders, I felt sorry for it so I brought it home. This one is extremely dominant, but not a fish killer, he's beaten the tar out've new arrivals but everyone has made it. Even being kept with an Undulated for awhile he established himself, and would occasionally remind the Undy who's boss with a nasty chase around the tank. Tankmates stay out've his way and life goes on, he's roughly 10" and knows it..lol

The 210 won't be big enough evetually so I'll have to look into something wider and longer, maybe 450GL....

bigred16 · 02/13/2008, 12:36 PM

Here are a couple pictures of two different Niger Triggers at the Rainforest Cafe in Toronto ,Ontario, Canada the first one is really hard to see due to he hid most of the time, but I can asure you he is at least 17-18 inches( take at look at his fangs they are at least 3/4 inch in length, the second Niger is about 12" in length. Sorry for the poor pictures, hard to take when moving.

LauraCline · 02/13/2008, 02:31 PM

Titan*69, wow - almost 5" in a little over 2 yrs even starting out so large and bigred16 those are some beautifully colored Nigers. I thought by that size they would have red teeth though, what is the deal with that? Is it the size, the sex, or the area they come from that would determine the red teeth?

Snapper66 · 02/13/2008, 05:07 PM

I have a Three Iinch one and a 2 1/2 Inch for about a Year now very Little Agression ever in a 90 Gallon Tank.They are a Very Cool Trigger Fish

bigred16 · 02/14/2008, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LauraCline
Titan*69, wow - almost 5" in a little over 2 yrs even starting out so large and bigred16 those are some beautifully colored Nigers. I thought by that size they would have red teeth though, what is the deal with that? Is it the size, the sex, or the area they come from that would determine the red teeth?

It is hard to tell by the picture, there teeth are red or orangyred, the big one in the first photo is quite noticable and quite large

LauraCline · 02/14/2008, 10:58 PM

I'm sold. I am going to get one, hopefully it will be peaceful. I will be starting with a small one though. I don't want to risk my puffer and psuedochromis so I am going to leave them where they are. I plan to have the Niger, a foxface, 1-2 electric damsels and one of the following:

Purple Tang

Lionfish (obviously the damsels would be out if I get this guy)

Black and White Dogface Puffer

Which would work best and I assume the trigger should be added last?

Titan*69 · 02/15/2008, 07:44 AM

Next time I'm in T.O I'm having a coffee at the rainforest.

VaderWS6 · 02/15/2008, 01:33 PM

My snowflake moray just ate my Niger trigger last night.....

bigred16 · 02/15/2008, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Titan*69
Next time I'm in T.O I'm having a coffee at the rainforest.

You will be amazed with the size of some of these fish, here's a few.
Red Snapper 2 years ago 10", now 2-1/2 feet length- 18" tall

Queen trigger hard to get a good picture, is 18"

French Angel 18"

Clown Trigger - 10-12"

LauraCline · 02/15/2008, 10:06 PM

Vader, i'm so sorry about your Niger, yet another reason why I will not get an eel. Red those are some sweet looking fish. I guess I need to find an excuse to go to OT.

02/11/2008, 08:34 PM	#1
LauraCline Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 2,017	experiences and opinions re: Nigers I'm looking for feedback from folks who have actual exprience with Nigers, I've read alot already. I've got an extra 90 gallon setup sitting around that I am trying to decide what to do with. I really like Niger triggers, I think they are highly under-rated. If I got a small one, how long would he comfortably live in the 90 (larger tank not a problem whenever needed)? If I do end up going that route, could he go in with a toby puffer, a purple psuedochromis, and a chocolate chip star? I already have them in a different tank but I do not want to risk those guys at all and they can stay comfortably where they are if not compatible. If a Niger is not compatible with those guys, would he be better off alone or would he be alright in the 90 with 1 or 2 more fish? Also, how big is the Niger really going to get? I've read fishbase too and see that they supposedly get 20" but, I have never seen one more than about 12". I've been told the growth slows dramatically after 6-8" in size is reached. How big are yours for those of you that have or have had them and how long to attain that size? I feed heavily 1-2 times per day ocassionally skipping a day. As far as aggression goes, what type of behavior am I likely to encounter at what sizes? Any and all info you have would be helpful. Thanks __________________ People, who have lost their dreams, will try to shoot down yours. Guard that door fiercely.

02/11/2008, 08:38 PM	#2
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	while waiting for feedback here's a good read: http://reefcentral.com/forums/showth...readid=1313239 __________________ over 24 years experience with multiple types of marine aquarium systems see Upstate Reef Society Forum on RC and FB GOOGLE JUNIOR'S REEF Current Tank Info: 84x24x30 265g reef past TOTM honors

02/11/2008, 08:44 PM	#3
LauraCline Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 2,017	Thank you Gary, very informative! __________________ People, who have lost their dreams, will try to shoot down yours. Guard that door fiercely.

02/11/2008, 08:46 PM	#4
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	you're welcome Laura. I'm also interested in reading the responses you get here __________________ over 24 years experience with multiple types of marine aquarium systems see Upstate Reef Society Forum on RC and FB GOOGLE JUNIOR'S REEF Current Tank Info: 84x24x30 265g reef past TOTM honors

02/11/2008, 08:55 PM	#5
LauraCline Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 2,017	How active was the one you showed in the 300 gallon Gary? The large one I saw spent most of his time wedged in a rock cave unless food was involved. I'm concerned about the size of the 90 compared to the fish's size/activity level and growth rate. It's difficult to judge a fish at the store vs. your tank at home and also try to imagine the fish at maximum size. These guys also get quite a bit of girth on them. __________________ People, who have lost their dreams, will try to shoot down yours. Guard that door fiercely.

02/11/2008, 08:59 PM	#6
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	the Niger in my pix is very active. It only goes into rock crevices to sleep or get cleaned. __________________ over 24 years experience with multiple types of marine aquarium systems see Upstate Reef Society Forum on RC and FB GOOGLE JUNIOR'S REEF Current Tank Info: 84x24x30 265g reef past TOTM honors

02/11/2008, 09:52 PM	#7
prime99 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: central california Posts: 7	I had a niger for two years. I started him out in a 75 with a dragon wrasse and a rectangular trigger. They were all small and introduced within a month of each other, so there were no aggression issues between them. My niger was pretty mellow and allowed the rectangular trigger to be the boss. The only aggression I saw was with fish I tried to add after they were established. I fed about three times a day and his growth rate was not extreme. He went from 1" to maybe 4" in the two years I had him. I did have to move all three fish into a 150 after the first year. My niger had great personality and would spit water to get my attention. Overall great fish.

02/11/2008, 10:22 PM	#8
seawandrr Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 132	We thought we'd give the "every fish is different, lets see how ours turns out" trial of a Niger in our reef. He never killed anyone, but after a year, he was clearly the cause of moderate to great amounts of stress in almost every other fish in the tank. We did catch him repeatedly nipping the streamers off our fang blenny as some kind of game. During a move, he got shifted from the reef to the FOWLR tank, where he's now in good company (another trigger and a GSM pair) Our Reef is now a peaceful place, and the next time a trigger goes into it, it'll be a crosshatch pair after we get that big tank set up.

02/12/2008, 11:27 AM	#9
LauraCline Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 2,017	thanks prime99 and seawanderr, well if I do decide to get one for the 90, he will either be alone or with 1-2 aggressive type fish. It's going to be a month or 2 before I get around to setting that tank up because I'm busy with other projects right now. In the meantime, I would like to hear more of your experiences. __________________ People, who have lost their dreams, will try to shoot down yours. Guard that door fiercely.

02/12/2008, 06:49 PM	#10
jay2525 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 755	I have a pair of them in my tank. they started off 2.5 inches and are now about 3 inches. It's been about 6 months for them. They are both very docile at this point. However past experiences say that in the next year the growth will take off, and so will some aggression.

02/13/2008, 10:59 AM	#11
Titan*69 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ontario,Cdn Posts: 557	I first got a small one back in 2003 and initially things were good, rather passive and would only turn it up come feeding time. At the time it's tankmates were a couple YT damsels, hepatus tang and a PBT. Even at 2.5" the niger got chew on tail happy which cost me some fish from being stressed; I pulled him out and returned him to my LFS. In 2005 I went into another LFS I rarely visit and they had a 5-5.5" niger in a 20L that was being strickly fed FW feeders, I felt sorry for it so I brought it home. This one is extremely dominant, but not a fish killer, he's beaten the tar out've new arrivals but everyone has made it. Even being kept with an Undulated for awhile he established himself, and would occasionally remind the Undy who's boss with a nasty chase around the tank. Tankmates stay out've his way and life goes on, he's roughly 10" and knows it..lol The 210 won't be big enough evetually so I'll have to look into something wider and longer, maybe 450GL.... __________________ Grimreefer Current Tank Info: 210 with 90GL sump, 100 Undy, and a minute 40QT

02/13/2008, 12:36 PM	#12
bigred16 Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Waterloo, Ont, Canada Posts: 237	Here are a couple pictures of two different Niger Triggers at the Rainforest Cafe in Toronto ,Ontario, Canada the first one is really hard to see due to he hid most of the time, but I can asure you he is at least 17-18 inches( take at look at his fangs they are at least 3/4 inch in length, the second Niger is about 12" in length. Sorry for the poor pictures, hard to take when moving.

02/13/2008, 02:31 PM	#13
LauraCline Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 2,017	Titan*69, wow - almost 5" in a little over 2 yrs even starting out so large and bigred16 those are some beautifully colored Nigers. I thought by that size they would have red teeth though, what is the deal with that? Is it the size, the sex, or the area they come from that would determine the red teeth? __________________ People, who have lost their dreams, will try to shoot down yours. Guard that door fiercely.

02/13/2008, 05:07 PM	#14
Snapper66 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Some where over the Reef Tank Posts: 249	I have a Three Iinch one and a 2 1/2 Inch for about a Year now very Little Agression ever in a 90 Gallon Tank.They are a Very Cool Trigger Fish __________________ Groupers and Snappers and Triggers oh My. Current Tank Info: 135 Gallon Predator Tank with Trigger and Moray Eels and Groupers 90 Gallon Predator Tank Lyretail Grouper and Green Moray Eel and 2 Community Reef Tanks one 55 Gallon and one 56 High Top Tank and one 55 Gallon fresh Water cichlid Tank

02/14/2008, 10:58 PM	#16
LauraCline Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 2,017	I'm sold. I am going to get one, hopefully it will be peaceful. I will be starting with a small one though. I don't want to risk my puffer and psuedochromis so I am going to leave them where they are. I plan to have the Niger, a foxface, 1-2 electric damsels and one of the following: Purple Tang Lionfish (obviously the damsels would be out if I get this guy) Black and White Dogface Puffer Which would work best and I assume the trigger should be added last? __________________ People, who have lost their dreams, will try to shoot down yours. Guard that door fiercely.

02/15/2008, 07:44 AM	#17
Titan*69 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ontario,Cdn Posts: 557	Next time I'm in T.O I'm having a coffee at the rainforest. __________________ Grimreefer Current Tank Info: 210 with 90GL sump, 100 Undy, and a minute 40QT

02/15/2008, 01:33 PM	#18
VaderWS6 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,644	My snowflake moray just ate my Niger trigger last night..... __________________ 2001 black T/A WS6~M6 ASC#6979 331rwhp/348rwtq Mods: !CAGS, Pro 5.0, TSP lid, BGRA, Raptor shift light, Strange 4.10 gears, Strano springs, SLP Bilstein shocks, GMMG exhaust Current Tank Info: Main reef:75 gallon w/ 2 250watt Radium 20k run on a PFO dual 250watt HQI ballast w/Lumenbright mini reflectors. 4 110watt VHO actinics for dawn/dusk,Geo kalkreactor,Litermeter 3,Xtreme 160 skimmer,2 Vortech mp40w's

02/15/2008, 10:06 PM	#20
LauraCline Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lutz, FL Posts: 2,017	Vader, i'm so sorry about your Niger, yet another reason why I will not get an eel. Red those are some sweet looking fish. I guess I need to find an excuse to go to OT. __________________ People, who have lost their dreams, will try to shoot down yours. Guard that door fiercely.