Jebao Cross Flow Pump - Page 2

kmbyrnes · 10/23/2015, 07:06 PM

Wonder if they'll do large enough for a 10' tank and beat Maxspect's 180?

karimwassef · 10/23/2015, 10:24 PM

I hope so. If they use their RW-20 motors, they should be able to move a lot of water.

shifty51008 · 10/24/2015, 12:42 AM

Anyone hear of a lawsuit jebao lost against hydor? I saw it in a post where i saw the jebao gyre but cant find anything about it, however if thats true i couldnt see jebao doing it again so soon with the gyre

Ron Reefman · 10/25/2015, 07:16 AM

I'm glad to hear this. I got in on the Jebao WP wavemakers early and although they had some start up issues, they certainly got better as time went by. I also got in at the begining of the Jebao DC pumps (you'd think I'd learn, right?). But every DC pump I got has worked perfectly for a couple of years now.

I've seen a couple of the gyre systems in use and I think they are a nice change from wavemakers. But the Maxspect stuff is so crazy over priced! I'll wait for the rush to buy from Jebao has passed and then buy. After all, my WP40's and WP10's are all working just fine, thank you.

Bent · 10/26/2015, 07:27 AM

I'm excited. Anyone have any info? Pics or anything?

Is it going to look exactly like the mqxspect? Like the same molds and stuff?

To me the RW (knockoffs) don't have anything in common with the vortecs other than they both have magnets. So id imagine the design won't be identical but who knows.

nuxx · 10/26/2015, 11:16 AM

They're pretty tight lipped about it right now. Already tried to find out haha

greaps · 10/26/2015, 11:34 AM

The RW's and WP's were more a knock off on Tunze in my opinion. Excited to see what that got brewing as well.

d2mini · 10/26/2015, 12:08 PM

The Gyre are chinese made too. And pretty crappily made. I got rid of mine.
So in this instance, I don't see how a Jaebo could be any worse. Hopefully they can improve on it.

C Dog · 10/26/2015, 12:11 PM

Is the Gyre design that much better than say 2 RWs?

nuxx · 10/26/2015, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by C Dog

Is the Gyre design that much better than say 2 RWs?

Depends on tank / rock layout to be honest.

We have two RWs in our frag tank on the same wall pointing down the tank synced.

Will probably add their Gyre on the far wall to help out. Can be some low flow all the way down there.

unze · 10/26/2015, 12:22 PM

Hopefully more lawsuits will follow and put jebao out of business.

wilkerschnepf · 10/26/2015, 01:00 PM

Just a quick read of copyright / patent infringement enforcement in the PRC (people's republic of China) info from a few websites will give you an idea of how a lawsuit will do nothing but cost ecotech, or maxpect money and do nothing to deter jebao.

I thought this little excerpt was particularly funny:

In March 1992 Chinese authorities found that Shenzhen reflective materials institute had copied 650,000 Microsoft Corporation holograms. The institute was found to be guilty of trademark infringement against Microsoft, but was fined a mere US $252. Losses to Microsoft as a result of the infringement are estimated at US $30 million.[8]

I am a fan of jebao and use their wp, rw, dc pump, and doser. And I for one hope they keep making and improving products and selling them to us hobbiests at amazingly cheap prices.

Ron Reefman · 10/26/2015, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by unze

Hopefully more lawsuits will follow and put jebao out of business.

Go troll some place else.

SeedlessOne · 10/26/2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by unze

Hopefully more lawsuits will follow and put jebao out of business.

Oh please troll....

jrp1588 · 10/26/2015, 01:09 PM

Whoever invented the squirrel cage blower should have sued Maxxspect. For that matter, why not sue them over having programmable LED lights? Ecotech thought of that first. Why do Android smartphones exist? Apple should have sued them into the ground. I'm not clear on how copyright law works, but it seems like even in the US that broad concepts like these aren't well protected.

karimwassef · 10/26/2015, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jrp1588

whoever invented the squirrel cage blower should have sued maxxspect. For that matter, why not sue them over having programmable led lights? Ecotech thought of that first. Why do android smartphones exist? Apple should have sued them into the ground. I'm not clear on how copyright law works, but it seems like even in the us that broad concepts like these aren't well protected.

+1

soulpatch · 10/26/2015, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jrp1588

Why do Android smartphones exist? Apple should have sued them into the ground.

Careful on this one as Apple stole a lot from phones like the LG Prada and such. Then they turned and used the system to protect a rectangular device with rounded corners...Sure some manufactorers (Samsung) have been found guilty of taking design and other cues from Apple but it goes the other way as well. Then you have the university of Wisconsin sueing Apple for stealing its tech just hitting the press the other week. Everyone does it and in today's world rarely are people first.

The entire patent system is screwed up in many ways. I disagree with a lot of the things that are able to get protection. Consumers pay double the price increase for the company to be greedy and then more to pay for the lawsuits.

That ALL said I am exicted for this and hope the price point is lowered. I like my gyre now that I got the rugged blades but find the controller lacking and the company to be slow to adapt. Jebao might not have customer service either but you can buy a second or third unit for same as one of the bigger names.

that Fish Guy · 10/26/2015, 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2mini

The Gyre are chinese made too. And pretty crappily made. I got rid of mine.
So in this instance, I don't see how a Jaebo could be any worse. Hopefully they can improve on it.

What Power Heads do you prefer? Vortechs?

that Fish Guy · 10/26/2015, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron Reefman

Go troll some place else.

Why is he Trolling?

I agree with him.

d2mini · 10/26/2015, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by that Fish Guy

What Power Heads do you prefer? Vortechs?

I like the vortechs and tunze. Haven't tried the jaebos.
I really liked the idea of the gyre, just wasn't a fan of the execution... not one bit. Maybe for half the price.

TheReeferer · 10/26/2015, 09:26 PM

I support Jebao. Most pet product manufacturers take their customers for a ride on everything they sell, the margins are ridiculous. It's good to have affordable equipment so anyone can enjoy the hobby.

jason2459 · 10/26/2015, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d2mini

I like the vortechs and tunze. Haven't tried the jaebos.
I really liked the idea of the gyre, just wasn't a fan of the execution... not one bit. Maybe for half the price.

I agree coming from Tunze myself that the gyres feeling of quality and sturdyness is lacking. They fixed most all the original issues but still not like a high quality piece of equipment. But the flow and what I've arranged mine to do has completely won me over. And I've had a ton of fun creating a ramping up and down changing direction tidal gyre based and timed on the Lunar cycles.

shifty51008 · 10/26/2015, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheReeferer

I support Jebao. Most pet product manufacturers take their customers for a ride on everything they sell, the margins are ridiculous. It's good to have affordable equipment so anyone can enjoy the hobby.

There is a reason stuff for aquariums and even for other hobby supplies have a higher markup than lets say hair products, toys ect. But that isnt for this thread.

jrp1588 · 10/27/2015, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by shifty51008

There is a reason stuff for aquariums and even for other hobby supplies have a higher markup than lets say hair products, toys ect. But that isnt for this thread.

Yeah, for the most part we're a niche market with deep wallets. Makes for low volume and little incentive to lower prices. I don't necessarily agree with their business practices, but I'm glad they're around to make reefing affordable for poor kids like me. Haha

ganjero · 10/27/2015, 06:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C Dog

Is the Gyre design that much better than say 2 RWs?

No, I don't see why people want to spend money in these poorly design pumps. Gyre flow is nothing new and it can be easily achieved with powerheads (in your case 2 RWs), and if you don't like it you can till use the same powerheads to create a different type of flow.

I still remember when the DIY maximods started poping, people were using them to create gyre flow and of course you got a ton of people saying that gyre flow wasn't enough for our tanks. Now a company makes a pump that looks different, creates some fancy videos about how beneficial gyre flow is and everyone "needs" one.

10/23/2015, 07:06 PM	#26
kmbyrnes Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Mesa AZ Posts: 2,055	Wonder if they'll do large enough for a 10' tank and beat Maxspect's 180? __________________ 125g Mixed Reef 5/26/2015; 350 Butterfly Dominated FOWLR 11/26/2015 - 11/17/20217 & 07/31/18 to ??? ; 100g Mixed Reef 11/16/2013 to 06/16/2017 Current Tank Info: Too small

10/23/2015, 10:24 PM	#27
karimwassef Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 11,033	I hope so. If they use their RW-20 motors, they should be able to move a lot of water. __________________ Failure isn't an option It's a requirement. 660g 380inwall+280smp/surge S/L/Soft/Maxima/RBTA/Clown/Chromis/Anthias/Tang/Mandarin/Jawfish/Goby/Wrasse/D'back. DIY 12' Skimmer ActuatedSurge ConcreteScape

10/24/2015, 12:42 AM	#28
shifty51008 12-5 Chiefs record Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NW Iowa Posts: 10,134	Anyone hear of a lawsuit jebao lost against hydor? I saw it in a post where i saw the jebao gyre but cant find anything about it, however if thats true i couldnt see jebao doing it again so soon with the gyre __________________ 75 gal. mixed DT, 100 gal. sump, 50 gal. fuge, Clownfish breeder

10/25/2015, 07:16 AM	#29
Ron Reefman Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cape Coral, FL Posts: 10,431	I'm glad to hear this. I got in on the Jebao WP wavemakers early and although they had some start up issues, they certainly got better as time went by. I also got in at the begining of the Jebao DC pumps (you'd think I'd learn, right?). But every DC pump I got has worked perfectly for a couple of years now. I've seen a couple of the gyre systems in use and I think they are a nice change from wavemakers. But the Maxspect stuff is so crazy over priced! I'll wait for the rush to buy from Jebao has passed and then buy. After all, my WP40's and WP10's are all working just fine, thank you. __________________ The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it. (Neil deGrasse Tyson) Visit my build thread http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2593017

10/26/2015, 07:27 AM	#30
Bent I got nothin' Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The anals Posts: 6,420	I'm excited. Anyone have any info? Pics or anything? Is it going to look exactly like the mqxspect? Like the same molds and stuff? To me the RW (knockoffs) don't have anything in common with the vortecs other than they both have magnets. So id imagine the design won't be identical but who knows. __________________ Quitters never lose. [QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE] Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump

10/26/2015, 11:16 AM	#31
nuxx RC Sponsor Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 3,990	They're pretty tight lipped about it right now. Already tried to find out haha __________________ Peter TankStop - Fish and Coral 470G Display - Build Thread Current Tank Info: Retired - 470 Gallon Mixed Reef (120x29x31")

10/26/2015, 11:34 AM	#32
greaps Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 500	The RW's and WP's were more a knock off on Tunze in my opinion. Excited to see what that got brewing as well. __________________ 50g SCA Aquarium, build in progress.

10/26/2015, 12:08 PM	#33
d2mini Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 10,344	The Gyre are chinese made too. And pretty crappily made. I got rid of mine. So in this instance, I don't see how a Jaebo could be any worse. Hopefully they can improve on it. __________________ -dennis Elos Diamond 120xl \| Elos Stand \| Radion G4 Pros \| GHL Profilux Controller \| LifeReef Skimmer \| LifeReef Sump Photos taken with a Nikon D750 or Leica M.

10/26/2015, 12:11 PM	#34
C Dog Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: SWFL Posts: 532	Is the Gyre design that much better than say 2 RWs? __________________ C Dogs 400+ Gallon Sun Lit Peninsula Reef

10/26/2015, 12:22 PM	#36
unze Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 411	Hopefully more lawsuits will follow and put jebao out of business.

10/26/2015, 01:00 PM	#37
wilkerschnepf Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 121	Just a quick read of copyright / patent infringement enforcement in the PRC (people's republic of China) info from a few websites will give you an idea of how a lawsuit will do nothing but cost ecotech, or maxpect money and do nothing to deter jebao. I thought this little excerpt was particularly funny: In March 1992 Chinese authorities found that Shenzhen reflective materials institute had copied 650,000 Microsoft Corporation holograms. The institute was found to be guilty of trademark infringement against Microsoft, but was fined a mere US $252. Losses to Microsoft as a result of the infringement are estimated at US $30 million.[8] I am a fan of jebao and use their wp, rw, dc pump, and doser. And I for one hope they keep making and improving products and selling them to us hobbiests at amazingly cheap prices.

10/26/2015, 01:09 PM	#40
jrp1588 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Evansville, IN Posts: 1,864	Whoever invented the squirrel cage blower should have sued Maxxspect. For that matter, why not sue them over having programmable LED lights? Ecotech thought of that first. Why do Android smartphones exist? Apple should have sued them into the ground. I'm not clear on how copyright law works, but it seems like even in the US that broad concepts like these aren't well protected.

10/26/2015, 09:26 PM	#46
TheReeferer Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 251	I support Jebao. Most pet product manufacturers take their customers for a ride on everything they sell, the margins are ridiculous. It's good to have affordable equipment so anyone can enjoy the hobby.