Lights... hit me... - Page 16

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 09:48 PM

He clearly had more than two kessils on that tank. Go back to the earlier posts. Look at the pics...multiple kessils.

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 09:49 PM

BRS never did "2 fixture one" there is no point.

They certainly did. They also showed with 3 kessils and 4 kessils... along with two and one.

Potatohead · 07/20/2017, 09:50 PM

They did two fixtures but on a four foot tank if I remember correctly. So one per 24" seems fair to me, and we are only comparing to the lowest number of bulbs ATI fixture.

Bronx19 · 07/20/2017, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ComforablyNumb

He clearly had more than two kessils on that tank. Go back to the earlier posts. Look at the pics...multiple kessils.

Yes he said you needed more Kessils. Has the penny dropped?

They test each light in a 24x24 cube. One light. Its the same for every light. The length of the light makes no difference, its the same per 24".

BRS did not test 2 Kessils over a 24" area. They tested 1 Kessil over a 24" area, the exact same setup you have.

4ft divided by 2 is 2ft. Still with me? Thats 1 Kessil per 2ft of tank.

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 09:52 PM

The ATI is Green shaded >200PAR the Kessil never reaches it, ANYWHERE.

OMG..this going to be good. Just let me download a screen capture app..and I will prove you wrong...right from BRS's own vid.

You should have gone back to look because they clearly posted the 2 fixture numbers.

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 09:53 PM

Yes he said you needed more Kessils. Has the penny dropped?

The penny dropped on you when you said he was only running two kessils. lol

Potatohead · 07/20/2017, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComforablyNumb

Yes he said you needed more Kessils. Has the penny dropped?

The penny dropped on you when you said he was only running two kessils. lol

What?

Dude you are proving our point here. If he ran more than two Kessil's how exactly does that help your argument?

slief · 07/20/2017, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronx19

A 48" four bulb ATI fixture produces more PAR than your two Kessils. Now address the costings please, you wanted to.

PAR is FAR from everything but if comparing a 48" ATI fixture to a pair of Kessil 36's, that is going to be a tough comparison for the Kessils.. I've been using LED's since 2010 and used MH/VHO bulbs prior. I've been keeping reef tanks since the mid 90's. LED's grow coral just fine.. Most coral will grow just as fast under LED as they will under Halide and T5. Sure you can spend more on LED's but having compared both, the savings at the power meter not only due to the consumption of the lights but also due to less heat transfer can make a fairly big difference. Then there is bulb costs. When you factor in the costs of good LED's vs a good fixture or quality ballasts and reflectors, it adds up quick. As for shading, on a smaller tank, it's more complex but on a larger tank, LED's can provide great coverage without shadowing issues. That said, as I said above, PAR is far from everything. Most corals will grow just as fast under Kessils with lower PAR than the ATI's. It's all about the spectrum.

That aside, I better break out some popcorn because this thread has taken a turn for the worse.

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 09:58 PM

I noticed again you did not use the 6' - 8" height that just about everyone who uses kessils employs.

It will be a little while until I unpack that app and find the right chart that shows 2 kessils at 6" which clearly exceeds ATI.

Stand by.

Bronx19 · 07/20/2017, 09:59 PM

I got it for you, dont worry:

4 Bulb wins. Questions?

Potatohead · 07/20/2017, 10:00 PM

This is just off the charts

Bronx19 · 07/20/2017, 10:02 PM

It gets even better:

1 Kessil on 2ft:

2 Kessils on 3.5ft:

Both Average the same PAR! Exactly 144, and its not even a 4ft tank, only 40".

Ryan - "The ideal solution, and the one I would personally select, is 4 modules mounted 10" off the tank".

It was a wonderful review, wasn't it?

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 10:20 PM

It does indeed get better.

One kessil at 6"

2 kessils over twice the area at 6"

3 fixtures ....which is what both BRS and Kessil say you need for the most demanding corals.

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 10:24 PM

I used the charts from how I use them.... and how most kessil owners use them. Mounted 6"- 8" above the surface.

Potatohead · 07/20/2017, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComforablyNumb

You kept posting charts from twice that height. Didn't fool me.

You're posting the 6" water depth numbers. He's posting 12.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComforablyNumb

It does indeed get better.

One kessil at 6"

2 kessils over twice the area at 6"

3 fixtures ....which is what both BRS and Kessil say you need for the most demanding corals.

Potatohead · 07/20/2017, 10:29 PM

You don't even understand the charts the number bottom left is water depth not mounting height

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronx19

I got it for you, dont worry:

As it turns out, you had BS for him.

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Potatohead

You don't even understand the charts the number bottom left is water depth not mounting height

Read the charts again pls.

It clearly indicates a mounting height of 6.5"

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 10:35 PM

You're posting the 6" water depth numbers. He's posting 12.

lol..those arent water depths, they are mounting heights. And the others are the par numbers. lol

And he posted 12" ....when everyone who uses kessils exclusively uses 6"...like me.

He may have fooled himself and you..he did not fool me.

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 10:37 PM

You don't even understand the charts the number bottom left is water depth not mounting height

I love the irony. Delicious.

Potatohead · 07/20/2017, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComforablyNumb

Read the charts again pls.

It clearly indicates a mounting height of 6.5"

It also clearly indicates 6" depth and Bronx is posting 12". He also posted 6.5" mounting height. You also said this when the referenced photo clearly says 6.5" mounting height.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComforablyNumb

You kept posting charts from twice that height. Didn't fool me.
I used the charts from how I use them.... and how most kessil owners use them. 6" - 8" above the surface.

Nice try tho.....

You're caught... Again. You misread all the charts.

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 10:40 PM

lol...no my ignorant friend, you misread the charts.

The mounting height is clearly identified as are the par numbers.

LMAO

Potatohead · 07/20/2017, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ComforablyNumb

You're posting the 6" water depth numbers. He's posting 12.

lol..those arent water depths, they are mounting heights. And the others are the par numbers. lol

And he posted 12" ....when everyone who uses kessils exclusively uses 6"...like me.

He may have fooled himself and you..he did not fool me.

The number bottom left is the depth in water the measurements are taken and they have been since BRS started posting these types of videos years ago.

You're not putting on a good showing for McGill here.

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Potatohead

The number bottom left is the depth in water the measurements are taken and they have been since BRS started posting these types of videos years ago.

You're not putting on a good showing for McGill here.

Yes I am. Those are not water depth numbers, those are par numbers at depth.

lol Are you always this slow?

ComforablyNumb · 07/20/2017, 10:52 PM

You don't even understand the charts the number bottom left is water depth not mounting height

I love the irony. Trump U grad? You can get a refund from Donald now. lol

07/20/2017, 10:02 PM	#387
Bronx19 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 223	It gets even better: 1 Kessil on 2ft: 2 Kessils on 3.5ft: Both Average the same PAR! Exactly 144, and its not even a 4ft tank, only 40". Ryan - "The ideal solution, and the one I would personally select, is 4 modules mounted 10" off the tank". It was a wonderful review, wasn't it? Last edited by Bronx19; 07/20/2017 at 10:09 PM.

07/20/2017, 10:24 PM	#389
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	I used the charts from how I use them.... and how most kessil owners use them. Mounted 6"- 8" above the surface. Last edited by ComforablyNumb; 07/20/2017 at 11:45 PM.

07/20/2017, 09:48 PM	#376
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	He clearly had more than two kessils on that tank. Go back to the earlier posts. Look at the pics...multiple kessils.

07/20/2017, 09:49 PM	#377
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	BRS never did "2 fixture one" there is no point. They certainly did. They also showed with 3 kessils and 4 kessils... along with two and one.

07/20/2017, 09:50 PM	#378
Potatohead Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,596	They did two fixtures but on a four foot tank if I remember correctly. So one per 24" seems fair to me, and we are only comparing to the lowest number of bulbs ATI fixture.

07/20/2017, 09:52 PM	#380
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	The ATI is Green shaded >200PAR the Kessil never reaches it, ANYWHERE. OMG..this going to be good. Just let me download a screen capture app..and I will prove you wrong...right from BRS's own vid. You should have gone back to look because they clearly posted the 2 fixture numbers.

07/20/2017, 09:53 PM	#381
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	Yes he said you needed more Kessils. Has the penny dropped? The penny dropped on you when you said he was only running two kessils. lol

07/20/2017, 09:58 PM	#384
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	I noticed again you did not use the 6' - 8" height that just about everyone who uses kessils employs. It will be a little while until I unpack that app and find the right chart that shows 2 kessils at 6" which clearly exceeds ATI. Stand by.

07/20/2017, 09:59 PM	#385
Bronx19 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 223	I got it for you, dont worry: 4 Bulb wins. Questions?

07/20/2017, 10:00 PM	#386
Potatohead Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,596	This is just off the charts

07/20/2017, 10:20 PM	#388
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	It does indeed get better. One kessil at 6" 2 kessils over twice the area at 6" 3 fixtures ....which is what both BRS and Kessil say you need for the most demanding corals.

07/20/2017, 10:29 PM	#391
Potatohead Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Vancouver Posts: 1,596	You don't even understand the charts the number bottom left is water depth not mounting height

07/20/2017, 10:35 PM	#394
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	You're posting the 6" water depth numbers. He's posting 12. lol..those arent water depths, they are mounting heights. And the others are the par numbers. lol And he posted 12" ....when everyone who uses kessils exclusively uses 6"...like me. He may have fooled himself and you..he did not fool me.

07/20/2017, 10:37 PM	#395
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	You don't even understand the charts the number bottom left is water depth not mounting height I love the irony. Delicious.

07/20/2017, 10:40 PM	#397
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	lol...no my ignorant friend, you misread the charts. The mounting height is clearly identified as are the par numbers. LMAO

07/20/2017, 10:52 PM	#400
ComforablyNumb Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: New Brunswick Canada Posts: 627	You don't even understand the charts the number bottom left is water depth not mounting height I love the irony. Trump U grad? You can get a refund from Donald now. lol