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Old Yesterday, 11:28 AM   #2976
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I have literally pulled out hundreds of sea hares! And there are more.
Wow! That is amazing. How many did you add or did they come in with macros? I'm curious about how prolific they are. We have some naturally in our Bay and I'd like to have some, but I haven't seen any yet. It could be that where I collect isn't salty enough.


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Old Yesterday, 11:37 AM   #2977
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I never added them. They hitchhiked in on something. It was fine when it was just one or two, but once they made babies it was waaaaay too much. I'm guessing they laid around a thousand eggs. Be careful what you wish for…


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Old Yesterday, 08:01 PM   #2978
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I'm still having a bit of a diatom problem. Late in the day, it builds up on the blades and starts pearling like The single molly eats a lot of it but she can't quite keep up, by herself!
I have been meaning to ask what would be good fish wise to keep the grass clean. I have heard that bristletooth Tangs are good but they're not found in the Caribbean. I wonder if C. Argi and the filefish would keep it clean.
It sounds like mollies would be good and to my surprise they're actually found in the Indian River Lagoon according to that website that I posted the other day.

Is it still considered a biotope if you try to recreate a lagoon but mix fish that are found in different parts of the Lagoon for example a fish that's found in more brackish water part of the Lagoon and fish that are found closer to the inlet but still in a seagrass setting where its more full strength seawater.

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Old Yesterday, 11:00 PM   #2979
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So you're going the caribbean biotope route? Obviously I'm stoked, but having been there for a while, I'll say it does kinda limit your options. You could call it a seagrass lagoon biotope (and not say caribbean) and you'll have way more options. Seagrass lagoons occur world wide. Just recently I came very close to doing this myself. Just a thought! Those shrimp fish are not caribbean…

Yep, mollies are caribbean, or floribbean biotope correct, and one of the best utility fish I can name! Their mouths are the perfect size to clean the grasses, as apposed to say, the red lipped blenny, which is the caribbean equivalent of a lawnmower blenny. Plus they are livebearers. They effectively turn algae into feeder fish! I bet a puffer would love that! They are also the only animal I have actually witnessed eating cyano bacteria. They work hardest for you if you don't feed them.

Mini strombus snails are also excellent for cleaning grasses. Indo Pacific Sea Farms is the only source I know for them. C. argi might help too, I don't know. The filefish might nibble at some epiphytes but they don't eat algae. I'm assuming you're talking about the aiptasia eating variety, which isn't caribbean. Unfortunately, they also go after worms, gorgonians and anemones.

Sure, I'd still call it a biotope. Look at mine: royal grammas are hardly considered a seagrass resident, but I believe you could find them there, hanging out by the mudbank. I've seen them in two feet of water under docks. Also remember the seagrass lagoon is the nursery for nearly every fish, so if you start with juveniles, you're good! I've taken a few liberties and the biotope police haven't come around to arrest me yet. I'm pretty close though.

My tank is brackish. I keep it at 1.018 or 25 ppt-the preferred manatee grass salinity. Fish, gorgonians, anemones and sponges all do great in it. Lower salinity actually reduces fishes' work to osmoregulate, making their lives a little easier. I doubt I will ever run a tank at natural seawater levels again. I think turtle grass does prefer higher salinity, between 30-35 ppt.

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Old Yesterday, 11:53 PM   #2980
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Lately it seems like every time I post something about my tank, it decides to change the thing I just posted about. First it was my sailfins not getting along. They spawned. This morning I mentioned my diatom problem. Tonight, when they are usually at their peak, they appear to be almost gone. I had halted dosing sodium silicate and increased phytoplankton additions, hoping the sponges and tunicates would suck up any excess silicate. Did it work? No clue! Sounds pretty smart though, doesn't it?

I hope you folks don't have the mistaken impression that I know what I'm doing. At best, I'm confidently guessing! (Bring it, Sammy!) To my credit, I'm obsessed with this stuff, so I read a lot. I'm heavily into it, but I'm no expert. I prefer fanatic, or weirdo, please. I love giving out advice. It makes me feel like a genius. I'm not. I'm just some dude, playing the dude… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfg1c8dyZYM

I really am having a blast, here on RC. I hope you all are having fun too!


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Old Today, 12:10 AM   #2981
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How about eccentric weirdo? Haha
I assume you were prodding a response from me. Lol
You know I can't resist!

You need to quit d***ing around and add some more fish! Seems like that QT will never be ready...

I really like the biotope concept you have going on. Something about the natural look that your tank brings and the thought that you could actually find a spot that looks exactly like this in the wild is the coolest part for me.
If I didn't have to worry about the wife killing me over it, I'd have a few different biotopes, or local only type tanks!

I added the finishing touches on my new wall for the 30 cube tonight so it should be getting wet in a few days with plans on adding live stock Jan 1. Hopefully I'll find the motivation to start the new build thread tomorrow!


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Old Today, 12:35 AM   #2982
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Right on que, sam.basye!

Oh yeah right, I could add more fish…The QT ought to be ready by now. Believe me, I'm jonesin' hard to. The funds are little tight right now, just in time for the holidays… So, I piddle around with more mundane stuff like killing sea hares and aiptasias-good times!

Thanks for the compliments on the 'tope! Yep the wives keep us somewhat in check. It's probably for the best… or maybe they're keeping us down, preventing us from becoming famous aquarium gurus, like what's-his-name…

You need to stop d***ing around and start a new thread, my fake wall brother! I guess you're still too busy making mad stacks. Buy ME some fish! Hey, are you going to do another traditional christmas composit image this year?


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Old Today, 04:33 AM   #2983
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So you're going the caribbean biotope route? Obviously I'm stoked, but having been there for a while, I'll say it does kinda limit your options. You could call it a seagrass lagoon biotope (and not say caribbean) and you'll have way more options. Seagrass lagoons occur world wide. Just recently I came very close to doing this myself. Just a thought! Those shrimp fish are not caribbean…

Yep, mollies are caribbean, or floribbean biotope correct, and one of the best utility fish I can name! Their mouths are the perfect size to clean the grasses, as apposed to say, the red lipped blenny, which is the caribbean equivalent of a lawnmower blenny. Plus they are livebearers. They effectively turn algae into feeder fish! I bet a puffer would love that! They are also the only animal I have actually witnessed eating cyano bacteria. They work hardest for you if you don't feed them.

Mini strombus snails are also excellent for cleaning grasses. Indo Pacific Sea Farms is the only source I know for them. C. argi might help too, I don't know. The filefish might nibble at some epiphytes but they don't eat algae. I'm assuming you're talking about the aiptasia eating variety, which isn't caribbean. Unfortunately, they also go after worms, gorgonians and anemones.

Sure, I'd still call it a biotope. Look at mine: royal grammas are hardly considered a seagrass resident, but I believe you could find them there, hanging out by the mudbank. I've seen them in two feet of water under docks. Also remember the seagrass lagoon is the nursery for nearly every fish, so if you start with juveniles, you're good! I've taken a few liberties and the biotope police haven't come around to arrest me yet. I'm pretty close though.

My tank is brackish. I keep it at 1.018 or 25 ppt-the preferred manatee grass salinity. Fish, gorgonians, anemones and sponges all do great in it. Lower salinity actually reduces fishes' work to osmoregulate, making their lives a little easier. I doubt I will ever run a tank at natural seawater levels again. I think turtle grass does prefer higher salinity, between 30-35 ppt.

Hope this helps!
You're right options are limited but Caribbean tanks are not plentiful which is what I like. I have a 75 gallon that I'm going to set up as a Caribbean Rubble Zone biotope with the gorgonians, jawfish, angelfish, and some chalk Bass. According to fishbase the shrimp fish can also be found among the spines of the long spined black urchin and since my wife wants some of those I may set up the 55 with those.

Good deal about the mollies as they seem like a good utility fish. The only problem is I'm not sure if the puffer would go after them even though the diet of Chilomycterus schoepfii is mainly invertebrates.

The filefish I have are the Caribbean variety Monocanthus ciliatus. According to fishbase they feed on plants, algae, and small crustaceans.

Okay I'll call it a biotope and if anybody says anything I'll tell them Michael said it was okay, LOL. Being that you keep yours at a brackish salinity you could keep the seagrass Ruppia.

Thanks for the help Michael

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Old Today, 07:24 AM   #2984
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Weirdos!: rollface:

If that was true, then I'm a freak on here LOL

Michael, you could rename your tank to a Caribbean/Panama Canal nearby lagoon biotope. Just cuz they haven't found the blennies on the East side doesn't mean that they aren't there or can't get there someday.


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Old Today, 09:33 AM   #2985
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Cool beans Jason. Caribbean it is.

With the mollies, if you have no need for babies, just get all females. Otherwise, their population gets out of hand fast. They're an easily sexable fish. Great fish to have around, when you're going through the algae phase. One of the caribbean filefish does eat seagrass. I'm not sure if it's the ones you have.

It sounds like you've made your choices. Thread(s)?


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Old Today, 09:45 AM   #2986
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Kevin, I humbly bow to your weirdness. Your oyster reef is waaaay out there!

The biggest temptation to go outside the Caribbean has been damsels. I now consider the blue chromis to be in the same boat as the moorish idol and sea horses-too complicated to keep alive. So I looked at some of the bullet proof damsels to stand in for them. But I couldn't do it.

I've seen some maps of the Caribbean include the west coast of Central America, so I'm not beating myself up too much on the barnacle blennies. I bet some have migrated east, through the canal…


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Old Today, 11:04 AM   #2987
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...I bet some have migrated east, through the canal…
I think that is a big possibility simply because it's an open waterway. Plus, if they like to hang out in barnacles or other fouling organism hidey holes, there could be plenty of those found along the ships that pass through the canal. Also, barnacle blenny ship larvae could get sucked up through ship ballasts as what happened with the round goby in the Great Lakes. You've proven that they do well in brackish water, so they should be able to handle the salinity changes, I would think. I wonder what the salinity changes are from West to East along that canal...anyone know?


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Old Today, 11:26 AM   #2988
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Cool beans Jason. Caribbean it is.

With the mollies, if you have no need for babies, just get all females. Otherwise, their population gets out of hand fast. They're an easily sexable fish. Great fish to have around, when you're going through the algae phase. One of the caribbean filefish does eat seagrass. I'm not sure if it's the ones you have.

It sounds like you've made your choices. Thread(s)?
I think most of the fish I have would enjoy the babies, especially my scorpions, plus any future fish. I have no idea how to sex them and did you acclimate yours or were they already acclimated to brackish water?

I know what I want but deciding what to put together and which tank to put them in is what I'm struggling with.

Should I start a thread for each tank or combine into 1 thread.

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