What rare angel is the least owned?

michindi · 04/09/2006, 08:31 AM

I was just curious to see what angel is the true rare find.

michindi · 04/09/2006, 08:56 AM

If I left one out just put it in your post. And if you have more then one please vote twice.

kalare · 04/09/2006, 10:22 AM

Clarion...those aren't that rare compared to it

moonpod · 04/09/2006, 11:47 AM

Ya know, it's funny looking at that poll.

Chrysurus? Multicolor? You've gotta be kidding me.

It's gotta be Kingii, Pepps or Clarions

DeltecRules · 04/09/2006, 12:22 PM

My collins is the rare angel I have in my reef. Whats even more rare is that it eats

sixxer · 04/09/2006, 12:25 PM

I would say the Clarions and Limbaughs (sp?) Angels would be the rarest kept in personal tanks.

Kahuna Tuna · 04/09/2006, 12:26 PM

What Moonpod said. Those three are either rare, deadly to collect and rare, or protected. That makes them pretty much non existant in our tanks.

Terryz_ · 04/09/2006, 12:38 PM

I would vote for Kingi... Beautiful fish...

michindi · 04/09/2006, 12:40 PM

Sorry guys.. I did forget about the Calrions.

RGBMatt · 04/09/2006, 04:00 PM

Is this poll supposed to be asking which ones people have, or which ones we think are the most rare?

michindi · 04/09/2006, 04:14 PM

Which ones people have

moonpod · 04/09/2006, 04:29 PM

That being the case Peppermints. I know there are a few out there. They are very, very pricey, very, very delicate, BUT there are some out there.

Bandits as far as I know die in captivity. If they were hardier they'd be everywhere, b/c frankly, they aren't exactly "rare" in Hawaiian waters so...

Chrysurus, Collins, Multicolor, Goldens, Interruptus, Joculators, Resplendens, Venustus, blueline, conspics, all come in regularly.

Hotamatua I haven't seen, nor heard of in captivity so if you've seen one of those.....

Kingii, ditto.

There are some old clarions still around, and probably some from that last batch that was brought in illegally.

Razzagas · 04/09/2006, 04:33 PM

what is the species for the kingii angel?

moonpod · 04/09/2006, 07:35 PM

Apolomichthys kingii

jmicky41 · 04/09/2006, 08:37 PM

Proably the rarest angel that is legal to keep is the Clipperton Angel - Holocanthus limbaughi . They only come from the tiny Clipperton Atoll - which is in the middle of nowhere. The Marine Center had one once with the price listed as "stupendously expensive". Some other rare angels are protected from collection such as the Chaetadontaplus Balinae.

gunnwong · 04/09/2006, 08:41 PM

I think the Japanese Pygmy Angel(Centropyge interruptus) is the rarest one.
and it very pricy too ( $1400 at marinecentral.com)

moonpod · 04/09/2006, 09:33 PM

interruptus angels are relatively commonly owned now. Shoot Maximus has two of 'em.

jmicky you ever heard of anyone who actually has a clipperton angel?

Tiger/Kingi angel in a shop in Japan

NexDog · 04/10/2006, 12:04 AM

Peppermint has to be in the top 3. The price tag is usually around $10,000 for one (at least here in Japan).

Are any of these considered rare:

http://natyu.ne.jp/fish/sakana01.html

Those first two I've never seen before and the price tag is about $1200.

moonpod · 04/10/2006, 12:10 AM

Holocanthus africanus. The 2nd pix is a younger one than the first one. The first pix is a subadult, the second is a juvi. The full grown adults are pretty blah looking.

NexDog · 04/10/2006, 12:12 AM

Like a lot of Angels, pretty when juvies but blander when adult. Not ready to pay that kind of cash for a fish anyway.

Freed · 04/10/2006, 12:50 AM

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NexDog · 04/10/2006, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by Freed
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A man of small words.

copps · 04/10/2006, 11:07 AM

Kingii and africanus recently were available last fall... Tom at Marine Aquatics got them along with some gem tangs and I spoke to a loacl distributor that saw them pop up... I think the retail on the kingii's were around $6000, while the africanus were a little above a grand...

Hotamatua has also shown up here and there from Easter Island, with even Live Aquaria offering a few on their site at a pricey $1500... seems like years ago they were more available at less than $1000...

One I've never personally seen or seen available is C. narcosis...

Also not mentioned are Genicanthus personatus, Centopyge nahackyi and Centropyge debelius (although this does become available)...

Clipperton's I've never seen available, although they have one at the Waikiki Aquarium I took a few shots of and spoke with Bruce Carlson about...

moonpod · 04/10/2006, 11:22 AM

Did the kingii really show up? I asked about pricing and never got a response. They are supposed to be hardy so despite the price being steep if it's a tough fish...

copps · 04/10/2006, 11:34 AM

According to Tom it did, although I can't verify it as I did not see it or order it obviously...

I wanna say the price was $5800... looking at it from a supply/demand perspective I would have thought the price to be more... I was surprised to see the africanus relatively cheap and this was substantiated by the distributor I spoke with...

View Poll Results: What hard to find angel do you have
Bandit Angel	3	2.54%
Golden Pygmy Angel	3	2.54%
Colins Angel	6	5.08%
Hotumatuas Angel	0	0%
Interuptus Angel	9	7.63%
Joculator Angel	2	1.69%
Resplendent Angel	8	6.78%
Venustus Angel	3	2.54%
Blueline Angel	3	2.54%
Chrysurus Angel	5	4.24%
Conspicillatus Angel	9	7.63%
Multicolor Angel	7	5.93%
Peppermint Angel	49	41.53%
Kingi Angel	11	9.32%
Voters: 118. You may not vote on this poll

04/09/2006, 08:31 AM	#1
michindi Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brandon FL Posts: 300	What rare angel is the least owned? I was just curious to see what angel is the true rare find. __________________ Fish:Chrysurus Angel Multicolor Angel, Pink spotted goby 2x miss bar clowns and 1 cleaner shrimp Current Tank Info: 90 FOWLR 90lbs of live rock, wet/dry, remora pro skimmer

04/09/2006, 08:56 AM	#2
michindi Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brandon FL Posts: 300	If I left one out just put it in your post. And if you have more then one please vote twice. __________________ Fish:Chrysurus Angel Multicolor Angel, Pink spotted goby 2x miss bar clowns and 1 cleaner shrimp Current Tank Info: 90 FOWLR 90lbs of live rock, wet/dry, remora pro skimmer

04/09/2006, 11:47 AM	#4
moonpod Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: B.H., Los Angeles Posts: 13,053	Ya know, it's funny looking at that poll. Chrysurus? Multicolor? You've gotta be kidding me. It's gotta be Kingii, Pepps or Clarions __________________ Excuses are just the nails for the house of failure. Current Tank Info: 32" Leemar starfire cube now empty and not quite so stinky

04/09/2006, 12:26 PM	#7
Kahuna Tuna Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Arizona Posts: 2,587	What Moonpod said. Those three are either rare, deadly to collect and rare, or protected. That makes them pretty much non existant in our tanks. __________________ "Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master." -George Washington Current Tank Info: No tank currently

04/09/2006, 10:22 AM	#3
kalare Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 399	Clarion...those aren't that rare compared to it

04/09/2006, 12:22 PM	#5
DeltecRules Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Homer Glen IL. Posts: 1,552	My collins is the rare angel I have in my reef. Whats even more rare is that it eats

04/09/2006, 12:25 PM	#6
sixxer Moved On Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 870	I would say the Clarions and Limbaughs (sp?) Angels would be the rarest kept in personal tanks.

04/09/2006, 12:38 PM	#8
Terryz_ Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,095	I would vote for Kingi... Beautiful fish...

04/09/2006, 12:40 PM	#9
michindi Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brandon FL Posts: 300	Sorry guys.. I did forget about the Calrions. __________________ Fish:Chrysurus Angel Multicolor Angel, Pink spotted goby 2x miss bar clowns and 1 cleaner shrimp Current Tank Info: 90 FOWLR 90lbs of live rock, wet/dry, remora pro skimmer

04/09/2006, 04:00 PM	#10
RGBMatt Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 310	Is this poll supposed to be asking which ones people have, or which ones we think are the most rare?

04/09/2006, 04:14 PM	#11
michindi Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Brandon FL Posts: 300	Which ones people have __________________ Fish:Chrysurus Angel Multicolor Angel, Pink spotted goby 2x miss bar clowns and 1 cleaner shrimp Current Tank Info: 90 FOWLR 90lbs of live rock, wet/dry, remora pro skimmer

04/09/2006, 04:29 PM	#12
moonpod Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: B.H., Los Angeles Posts: 13,053	That being the case Peppermints. I know there are a few out there. They are very, very pricey, very, very delicate, BUT there are some out there. Bandits as far as I know die in captivity. If they were hardier they'd be everywhere, b/c frankly, they aren't exactly "rare" in Hawaiian waters so... Chrysurus, Collins, Multicolor, Goldens, Interruptus, Joculators, Resplendens, Venustus, blueline, conspics, all come in regularly. Hotamatua I haven't seen, nor heard of in captivity so if you've seen one of those..... Kingii, ditto. There are some old clarions still around, and probably some from that last batch that was brought in illegally. __________________ Excuses are just the nails for the house of failure. Current Tank Info: 32" Leemar starfire cube now empty and not quite so stinky

04/09/2006, 04:33 PM	#13
Razzagas Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 653	what is the species for the kingii angel?

04/09/2006, 07:35 PM	#14
moonpod Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: B.H., Los Angeles Posts: 13,053	Apolomichthys kingii __________________ Excuses are just the nails for the house of failure. Current Tank Info: 32" Leemar starfire cube now empty and not quite so stinky

04/09/2006, 08:37 PM	#15
jmicky41 Registered Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 891	Proably the rarest angel that is legal to keep is the Clipperton Angel - Holocanthus limbaughi . They only come from the tiny Clipperton Atoll - which is in the middle of nowhere. The Marine Center had one once with the price listed as "stupendously expensive". Some other rare angels are protected from collection such as the Chaetadontaplus Balinae. __________________ The bake sale to raise money for the carwash has been cancelled - due to confusion. Current Tank Info: 125 fowlr: 280watts VHO, 75LBS of mixed rock, Deltec AP600 skimmer, wet dry, GRi 518 return pump, 15 watt Aqua UV,(2) tunze 6000 on a 7095, goldflake angel(RIP), flame angel(8 years old), mitratus butterfly, yellow tang, majestic rabbitfsih

04/09/2006, 08:41 PM	#16
gunnwong Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: irvine, CA Posts: 1,063	I think the Japanese Pygmy Angel(Centropyge interruptus) is the rarest one. and it very pricy too ( $1400 at marinecentral.com)

04/09/2006, 09:33 PM	#17
moonpod Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: B.H., Los Angeles Posts: 13,053	interruptus angels are relatively commonly owned now. Shoot Maximus has two of 'em. jmicky you ever heard of anyone who actually has a clipperton angel? Tiger/Kingi angel in a shop in Japan __________________ Excuses are just the nails for the house of failure. Current Tank Info: 32" Leemar starfire cube now empty and not quite so stinky

04/10/2006, 12:04 AM	#18
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Peppermint has to be in the top 3. The price tag is usually around $10,000 for one (at least here in Japan). Are any of these considered rare: http://natyu.ne.jp/fish/sakana01.html Those first two I've never seen before and the price tag is about $1200. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

04/10/2006, 12:10 AM	#19
moonpod Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: B.H., Los Angeles Posts: 13,053	Holocanthus africanus. The 2nd pix is a younger one than the first one. The first pix is a subadult, the second is a juvi. The full grown adults are pretty blah looking. __________________ Excuses are just the nails for the house of failure. Current Tank Info: 32" Leemar starfire cube now empty and not quite so stinky

04/10/2006, 12:12 AM	#20
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Like a lot of Angels, pretty when juvies but blander when adult. Not ready to pay that kind of cash for a fish anyway. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

04/10/2006, 12:50 AM	#21
Freed It's what it's Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: 41° 2' 45" N 85° 8' 43" W Posts: 7,579	. __________________ Freed Current Tank Info: 180gal(1120 watts of MH/VHO light), 60gal "sump", Deltec 601 calcium reactor, Euro Reef CS8-3+ skimmer, 20 gallon QT

04/10/2006, 11:07 AM	#23
copps Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,679	Kingii and africanus recently were available last fall... Tom at Marine Aquatics got them along with some gem tangs and I spoke to a loacl distributor that saw them pop up... I think the retail on the kingii's were around $6000, while the africanus were a little above a grand... Hotamatua has also shown up here and there from Easter Island, with even Live Aquaria offering a few on their site at a pricey $1500... seems like years ago they were more available at less than $1000... One I've never personally seen or seen available is C. narcosis... Also not mentioned are Genicanthus personatus, Centopyge nahackyi and Centropyge debelius (although this does become available)... Clipperton's I've never seen available, although they have one at the Waikiki Aquarium I took a few shots of and spoke with Bruce Carlson about... __________________ - John Coppolino September '04 RC TOTM January '11 RC TOTM Buy fish that excite YOU, and respect others' passions. Yes, we know, there's a cheaper and prettier fish than the one we’re talking about. Current Tank Info: displays are 1300 gallon SPS (8.5' x 6' x 42"), 240 gallon anemone, and 350 gallon fish only

04/10/2006, 11:22 AM	#24
moonpod Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: B.H., Los Angeles Posts: 13,053	Did the kingii really show up? I asked about pricing and never got a response. They are supposed to be hardy so despite the price being steep if it's a tough fish... __________________ Excuses are just the nails for the house of failure. Current Tank Info: 32" Leemar starfire cube now empty and not quite so stinky

04/10/2006, 11:34 AM	#25
copps Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Northern VA Posts: 2,679	According to Tom it did, although I can't verify it as I did not see it or order it obviously... I wanna say the price was $5800... looking at it from a supply/demand perspective I would have thought the price to be more... I was surprised to see the africanus relatively cheap and this was substantiated by the distributor I spoke with... __________________ - John Coppolino September '04 RC TOTM January '11 RC TOTM Buy fish that excite YOU, and respect others' passions. Yes, we know, there's a cheaper and prettier fish than the one we’re talking about. Current Tank Info: displays are 1300 gallon SPS (8.5' x 6' x 42"), 240 gallon anemone, and 350 gallon fish only