queen angel reef safe

bill4t · 06/30/2012, 10:54 PM

all places say reef safe with caution has anyone had one in there reef. how did it wrk out? I love these fish and would like to get one and have been doing a lot of reeding but wanted to get some opinions from people who have actually had some in there reef.

secrest · 06/30/2012, 11:36 PM

I would say no. I have never heard of anyone keeping a queen angel successfully in a reef aquarium.

bullitr · 07/01/2012, 12:14 AM

It depends what corals you keeping all sps not problem, Zoa and some LPS will get eaten otherwise it's reef safe

Check out Copps and last version tank
Both have amazing reef with queen angel

secrest · 07/01/2012, 12:32 AM

I totally forgot about copps tank. I stand corrected.

RyanSweatt2004 · 07/01/2012, 08:53 AM

I've seen a 10 inch adult raised and kept with soft corals at my LFS here in Maine. Zooanthids and cloves were usually not safe, but all other leathers, mushrooms, xenia and types of star polyps were never bothered. I've had the same results with small sub adult queens in my own tanks. Never had an issue with them nipping at clams either. It really is a with caution because they will eat certain corals. Worth it if your willing to sacrifice a few types of corals to have one.

trinidiver · 07/01/2012, 09:32 AM

I had a 6" queen once and it devoured my zoas and nipped at mushrooms. It was wild caught. They are abundant where i live.

nrbelk · 07/10/2012, 04:59 PM

I am curious at this subject as well. What about clams? Do they nip at clams often?

reef kid96 · 07/10/2012, 07:57 PM

if you do get one you must get it you get it as a juvenile because then you can almost "train" it to not eat your corals or clams, but in the end some will do what they want and you can't do anything about it .

snorvich · 07/10/2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by reef kid96

if you do get one you must get it you get it as a juvenile because then you can almost "train" it to not eat your corals or clams, but in the end some will do what they want and you can't do anything about it .

Why do you think you can train them?

jjk_reef00 · 07/10/2012, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by snorvich

Why do you think you can train them?

+1 there is no training this fish. IMO if you have a large healthy queen that leaves anything alone you are fortunate and in the minority.

Rapide · 07/11/2012, 03:10 AM

It should be "Not reef safe with exceptions" not "Reef safe with caution"

I was so close to getting one, but then didn't... I got a Pomacanthus navarcus instead. Not reef safe, but we'll see what happens. Still dreaming about the H.ciliaris, but maybe leaning more towards the Pomacanthus maculosus now...

alton · 07/11/2012, 06:00 AM

I had an adult that ate GSP, I had a Juvenile that was great until I moved up from my 200 to my 300 and for whatever reason then started eating my Frogspawn

sandwi54 · 07/11/2012, 11:58 AM

Queen angel, which belongs to the Holacanthus genus, is the least reef-safe angel. I wouldn't even try.

Also, it seems like you are building a 180g, which is still far too small for a queen angel. It gets absolutely massive and needs at least a 96 x 30" footprint to feel comfortable. By the time it matures, including the caudal filments the total length could be pushing close to 20"!

A better bet would be a majestic angel. It's much more reef-safe than queen, stays relatively small (around 8-10"), and is suitable for a 180g.

Ninong · 07/11/2012, 04:03 PM

I have a friend who tried to keep a Queen Angelfish in a 180-gal reef aquarium. It was about 4" long when he got it. He had to remove it 8 or 9 months later because it became too territorial as it grew larger and it became impossible for him to add any new fish to the tank. He avoided problems with corals by simply giving up on trying to keep anything the angel would go after.

MrTuskfish · 07/11/2012, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by reef kid96

if you do get one you must get it you get it as a juvenile because then you can almost "train" it to not eat your corals or clams, but in the end some will do what they want and you can't do anything about it .

If I read this right: if you can almost train it and it won't end up trained, then it isn't trained or reef safe, right? I guess I agree.

Sure, there are a few in reefs, but I think mine is typical. He's in a 240 and this tank is really becoming too small. Its about the last Angel I'd try in a reef. Read what LA says about them, and they are usually prone to give the benefit of the doubt.http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...419&pcatid=419

Sheol · 07/11/2012, 06:00 PM

Aside from "Reef Safe" being mostly a myth concerning most fish, this is not one you want in a Reef. Not only that, but they are among the more aggressive Angels & has been said, get HUGE..

Matthew

Kahuna Tuna · 07/11/2012, 06:43 PM

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A better bet would be a majestic angel. It's much more reef-safe than queen, stays relatively small (around 8-10"), and is suitable for a 180g.

+1 The majestic is the only suitable Pomacanthus in a tank that small and is one of the less destructive angels in a reef.

alton · 07/12/2012, 06:23 AM

Hopefully we have not discouraged you from getting one? They are beautiful fish, just have to realize when it starts nipping you have to take a chance on losing the coral or just remove it and find another that taste really bad like Xenia. I would start with a small juvenile from KP Aquatics(Sea Life Direct) home grown in Florida and enjoy. The two I had where never aggressive. My large was with several clown triggers, pseudochromis, and flame angel. The juvenile I had was with several other angels.

SUP · 08/12/2012, 07:42 AM

Alton,

Did you have any difficulty with the Queen and Clown Trigger? What size was the Queen / CT?

SUP

runintoluck · 08/12/2012, 01:15 PM

Really depends on the fish. I had a queen she wouldn't nip any lps torch hammer, etc but found a taste or preference for montis tho. Had to go.

humaguy · 08/12/2012, 11:05 PM

Queens love zoas...
Clown trigs need to be kept alone...when very small, perhaps they will be okay, but one day- bad things will happen....

ABlueReef · 08/12/2012, 11:15 PM

I added a 2.5 inch juvi queen to my tank and in two days started munching on my zoas and picking on my chalices. Didnt go near the sps. I was lucky enough to catch it out and is in my quarantine until it can go in ky friends 200 gal fowlr. Was hoping to have some succes with them in the reef. Oh well, gonna have to add a dwarf angel instead.

06/30/2012, 10:54 PM	#1
bill4t Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: westerville Posts: 212	queen angel reef safe all places say reef safe with caution has anyone had one in there reef. how did it wrk out? I love these fish and would like to get one and have been doing a lot of reeding but wanted to get some opinions from people who have actually had some in there reef.

07/01/2012, 12:14 AM	#3
bullitr broke but happy Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: stevenson ranch, ca Posts: 14,053	It depends what corals you keeping all sps not problem, Zoa and some LPS will get eaten otherwise it's reef safe Check out Copps and last version tank Both have amazing reef with queen angel __________________ Lawrence SFVR member 435 gallon display in wall see through no more hyposalinity... Current Tank Info: 96x36x29 inwall

07/01/2012, 09:32 AM	#6
trinidiver Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Sweet Trinidad & Tobago. (West Indies) Posts: 1,141	I had a 6" queen once and it devoured my zoas and nipped at mushrooms. It was wild caught. They are abundant where i live. __________________ Always expect anything from your friends......they will shoot you down as they get a chance. Current Tank Info: Its a 220gal reef.......LPS/leathers/zoas. Check my album.

07/11/2012, 11:58 AM	#13
sandwi54 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 2,332	Queen angel, which belongs to the Holacanthus genus, is the least reef-safe angel. I wouldn't even try. Also, it seems like you are building a 180g, which is still far too small for a queen angel. It gets absolutely massive and needs at least a 96 x 30" footprint to feel comfortable. By the time it matures, including the caudal filments the total length could be pushing close to 20"! A better bet would be a majestic angel. It's much more reef-safe than queen, stays relatively small (around 8-10"), and is suitable for a 180g. __________________ 375g Envision FOWLR + 125g sump 40g Reef Current Tank Info: 375g FOWLR, 40g Reef

07/11/2012, 04:03 PM	#14
Ninong Team RC Member Join Date: May 2000 Location: USA Posts: 3,376	I have a friend who tried to keep a Queen Angelfish in a 180-gal reef aquarium. It was about 4" long when he got it. He had to remove it 8 or 9 months later because it became too territorial as it grew larger and it became impossible for him to add any new fish to the tank. He avoided problems with corals by simply giving up on trying to keep anything the angel would go after. __________________ Ninong

06/30/2012, 11:36 PM	#2
secrest Tired Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,148	I would say no. I have never heard of anyone keeping a queen angel successfully in a reef aquarium.

07/01/2012, 12:32 AM	#4
secrest Tired Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,148	I totally forgot about copps tank. I stand corrected.

07/01/2012, 08:53 AM	#5
RyanSweatt2004 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: maine Posts: 590	I've seen a 10 inch adult raised and kept with soft corals at my LFS here in Maine. Zooanthids and cloves were usually not safe, but all other leathers, mushrooms, xenia and types of star polyps were never bothered. I've had the same results with small sub adult queens in my own tanks. Never had an issue with them nipping at clams either. It really is a with caution because they will eat certain corals. Worth it if your willing to sacrifice a few types of corals to have one.

07/10/2012, 04:59 PM	#7
nrbelk Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Idaho Falls, Idaho Posts: 935	I am curious at this subject as well. What about clams? Do they nip at clams often?

07/10/2012, 07:57 PM	#8
reef kid96 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 121	if you do get one you must get it you get it as a juvenile because then you can almost "train" it to not eat your corals or clams, but in the end some will do what they want and you can't do anything about it .

07/11/2012, 03:10 AM	#11
Rapide Registered Member. Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Finland Posts: 390	It should be "Not reef safe with exceptions" not "Reef safe with caution" I was so close to getting one, but then didn't... I got a Pomacanthus navarcus instead. Not reef safe, but we'll see what happens. Still dreaming about the H.ciliaris, but maybe leaning more towards the Pomacanthus maculosus now...

07/11/2012, 06:00 AM	#12
alton Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Zuehl, Texas Posts: 4,460	I had an adult that ate GSP, I had a Juvenile that was great until I moved up from my 200 to my 300 and for whatever reason then started eating my Frogspawn

07/11/2012, 06:00 PM	#16
Sheol Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Waxahachie, Tx. Posts: 3,610	Aside from "Reef Safe" being mostly a myth concerning most fish, this is not one you want in a Reef. Not only that, but they are among the more aggressive Angels & has been said, get HUGE.. Matthew

07/12/2012, 06:23 AM	#18
alton Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Zuehl, Texas Posts: 4,460	Hopefully we have not discouraged you from getting one? They are beautiful fish, just have to realize when it starts nipping you have to take a chance on losing the coral or just remove it and find another that taste really bad like Xenia. I would start with a small juvenile from KP Aquatics(Sea Life Direct) home grown in Florida and enjoy. The two I had where never aggressive. My large was with several clown triggers, pseudochromis, and flame angel. The juvenile I had was with several other angels.

08/12/2012, 07:42 AM	#19
SUP Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Louisiana Posts: 38	Alton, Did you have any difficulty with the Queen and Clown Trigger? What size was the Queen / CT? SUP

08/12/2012, 01:15 PM	#20
runintoluck Registered Member Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 246	Really depends on the fish. I had a queen she wouldn't nip any lps torch hammer, etc but found a taste or preference for montis tho. Had to go.

08/12/2012, 11:05 PM	#21
humaguy Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Western Ct, NYC Posts: 8,218	Queens love zoas... Clown trigs need to be kept alone...when very small, perhaps they will be okay, but one day- bad things will happen....

08/12/2012, 11:15 PM	#22
ABlueReef Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Jose Posts: 146	I added a 2.5 inch juvi queen to my tank and in two days started munching on my zoas and picking on my chalices. Didnt go near the sps. I was lucky enough to catch it out and is in my quarantine until it can go in ky friends 200 gal fowlr. Was hoping to have some succes with them in the reef. Oh well, gonna have to add a dwarf angel instead.