Regal Angel Primer - Page 51

Psionicdragon · 05/11/2006, 12:05 AM

so...anyone have any idea bout maldive regals?

DKRT0821 · 05/11/2006, 07:07 AM

Anyone has any idea if regals eat leather corals? I noticed mine picking at my mumps this morning...

DKRT0821 · 05/11/2006, 07:35 AM

The use of cyanide is not allowed under Marine Aquarium Council Certification. Poison (cyanide) and explosive fishing causes a decline in health in the marine ecosystem. In the Phillipines for example, I believe that they have to pass a test detecting the use of cyanide; however, the lack of enforcement as well as a lack of incentives to follow the law make it nearly impossible to know for sure. So to answer your question, no.

Psionicdragon · 05/12/2006, 12:23 AM

Thanks DK,

Do you have any idea if the Maldive Regals look the same or similar to Red Sea?

DKRT0821 · 05/12/2006, 06:58 AM

Welcom. I believe they look relatively the same, at least from what I have read.

GSchiemer · 05/12/2006, 07:10 AM

Yes, Regal Angels from the Maldives (Indian Ocean) have the same coloration as the Red Sea variants and are more desirable that Indo-Pacific specimens.

Greg

Rondelet · 05/12/2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally posted by DKRT0821
Anyone has any idea if regals eat leather corals? I noticed mine picking at my mumps this morning...

I've seen mine take a few nibbles at my leather coral. However, I think it may have been eating stuff off of it rather than eating it. Hard to say as I have since removed it, but am thinking of putting it back.

NexDog · 05/13/2006, 09:41 PM

I can now officially join this hread as I received a 3-4" Red Sea Angel a week ago. I have him in QT with a pair of small Heniochus, 2 sleeper gobies and a yellow coris. Only thing I've seen it eat is nori on a clip though. It's pretty thin and I can see a line of bone running the length of its back about 1cm under its dorsal fin. But I have it eating a few square inches of nori every day. Should I be worried? I also feed various types of pellet and flake (prime reef flake and spirulina based) and frozen mysis, brine, bbs etc. The tank gets a good mixture.

nctangman · 05/14/2006, 07:30 AM

NexDog,

Was this RA mail order or did you see it in a local fish store?

The part about "i can see a line of bone running the length of its back" would have me worried. Without seeing a picture, it sounds like it is malnourish. I wish you the best of luck. I hope it fairs well for you.

NexDog · 05/14/2006, 08:30 AM

Well, was internet order. I'm worried but hopeful.

nbd13 · 05/14/2006, 09:51 AM

NexDog,

I know you do not want to put fresh clams in there, but if you don't i am not sure a tiny bit of nori every day will do.

The most important thing is to get something in their stomach.

In this case with a bone visible, like said above it's probably malnutrition, I would highly suggest putting a clam or 2 in there.

I knwo you are worried about clams in your reef, BUT....

I have 5 angels and put 3 fresh clams in my tank everyday for my regal AND none of the fish even look twice at my 3 clams I have in my tank (all maximas)...

JMO, but you need to get something else in the regals stomach.

Nick

nbd13 · 05/14/2006, 09:52 AM

To add to the above, most regals are not used to eating from the water column, ie. no mysis, pellets, and so on.

That's why it is eating nori, they eat sponges in the wild, so they do not see something floating past them food.

That's were the clams come in to make the change over to frozen foods...

Nick

Steve Atkins · 05/14/2006, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DKRT0821
Anyone has any idea if regals eat leather corals? I noticed mine picking at my mumps this morning...

I have a number of leather corals in my tank and I have never "seen" my Regal take an interest in any of them. HOWEVER, a few weeks ago I was given some Xenia pieces to try with the Regal. The one I put in the tank was on a rock with a small piece of soft coral (I was told it was a Kenyan Tree Coral) and within a day both Xenia and soft coral were gone Ã¢â‚¬â€œ their demise not observed by me. I strongly suspect the Regal as I have seen him polish off Anthelia but I also suspect the soft coral may have just been eaten due to its close proximity to the Xenia as I have a much larger specimen of the same soft coral and it is growing, albeit slowly, without any obvious damage.

Steve

Steve Atkins · 05/14/2006, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NexDog
It's pretty thin and I can see a line of bone running the length of its back about 1cm under its dorsal fin.

Like this?

This fish is anything but thin, however you will notice the ridge running along just above the lateral line. He was well fed when he arrrived, has always had a good appetite, has grown nearly 2cm since I git him and has always had that ridge.

Steve

Aquaduck · 05/14/2006, 09:31 PM

It's called the "lateral line".

NexDog · 05/14/2006, 09:41 PM

Yah, exactly like that. As you said, doesn't look thin and neither does mine but I thought it might be a sign of malnourishment. Mine doesn't have the typically pinched in stomach though....

NexDog · 05/14/2006, 09:56 PM

Nick, think I'll try the mussels or other shellfish too as I really don't want to lose this fish. Can't take any chances!!

nbd13 · 05/14/2006, 10:01 PM

Exactly, good luck and let us know how it turns out.

Nick

NexDog · 05/14/2006, 10:10 PM

Absolutely. I'll be reading this thread every day now anyway.

DKRT0821 · 05/15/2006, 09:39 AM

NexDog - As I said mine was forced to go into my main tank (too big for the QT). Reading through this thread I learned about the clams. I feed mine clams with a couple of drops of garlic two days a week. I also have two small clams (maxima's) in my tank and so far it has not touched them. Try that. Mine also seems to have stopped picking at my leather coral and lately it is eating like a CHAMP! It eats anything I put in my tank (cubed formula 1 & 2, angel formula, VHP formula, brine reef, mysis, chopped scallops - all with a couple of drops of garlic). It did take mine 3 weeks to eat though. Hope it continues to do as well as it has been doing.

ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s very exciting to finally watch it eat!! Just takes time and patience. Hang in there.

Beckmola24 · 05/15/2006, 10:56 AM

I started reading this thread several months ago, because I was interested in a Regal Angel at the time it was started. What I'm wondering (w/o going back through the whole thread) is where is the best place to buy a small regal? I want a Red Sea, but small. Also when is the best time to add them to a tank. My tank has no fish right now and I'm wondeirng when would be a good time to add one. Thanks!

DKRT0821 · 05/15/2006, 03:35 PM

Beckmola - What do you mean by best time to add them to a tank? How long have you had your tank and what do you have in it right now? Mine is in my reef tank behaving very well.

You can try liveaquaria.com and place yourself on the waiting list for a small regal from the red sea. Their prices are very competive and they do have good quality of fish. Once you become aware of that it is available you may even want to take an extra step by calling them and request the fish size you are looking for. I believe their manager is Stacy and she is very nice.

Pennoyer · 05/15/2006, 04:15 PM

Phisybusiness has been able to find juvenile regals when requested. He got mine ~ 2"- 2.5", QT'ed it for me, got it eating and shipped in great shape. Eating the first night and doing fine. IMO, absolutely worth the extra $$$ to get a fish in great shape and exactly the size you're looking for. HTH

Beckmola24 · 05/15/2006, 05:27 PM

I don't have anything in my tank right now. Nada. It's a new(er) tank. It's been running now for 2 months and is stable. I was wondeing when would be a good time to add the Regal. I'm thinking after a year or so, but that's just me being on the cautious side of things. I was just thinking that if the Regal doesn't have many fish to stress it out, that might be better. Just thoughts.

NexDog · 05/15/2006, 06:09 PM

I put the mussel-type shell fish in last night.l I pryed it open, wrapped an elastic band over it and then wrapped it around a piece of 2" pipe - perfect fit. Haven't seen the Regal eat from it yet but looks like something has been nibbling on it...

05/11/2006, 12:05 AM	#1251
Psionicdragon Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,727	so...anyone have any idea bout maldive regals? __________________ Economy sucks bad! Lets pray for the best! in the meantime, liquidation!

05/12/2006, 12:23 AM	#1254
Psionicdragon Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: San Francisco Posts: 3,727	Thanks DK, Do you have any idea if the Maldive Regals look the same or similar to Red Sea? __________________ Economy sucks bad! Lets pray for the best! in the meantime, liquidation!

05/13/2006, 09:41 PM	#1258
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	I can now officially join this hread as I received a 3-4" Red Sea Angel a week ago. I have him in QT with a pair of small Heniochus, 2 sleeper gobies and a yellow coris. Only thing I've seen it eat is nori on a clip though. It's pretty thin and I can see a line of bone running the length of its back about 1cm under its dorsal fin. But I have it eating a few square inches of nori every day. Should I be worried? I also feed various types of pellet and flake (prime reef flake and spirulina based) and frozen mysis, brine, bbs etc. The tank gets a good mixture. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/14/2006, 07:30 AM	#1259
nctangman Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Redmond,WA Posts: 170	NexDog, Was this RA mail order or did you see it in a local fish store? The part about "i can see a line of bone running the length of its back" would have me worried. Without seeing a picture, it sounds like it is malnourish. I wish you the best of luck. I hope it fairs well for you. __________________ "It's not whether you win or lose, but how good you look." -David Lee Roth Current Tank Info: Installing a 375 gallon tank; visit http://www.flickr.com/photos/7329275@N05 for more.

05/14/2006, 08:30 AM	#1260
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Well, was internet order. I'm worried but hopeful. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/11/2006, 07:07 AM	#1252
DKRT0821 Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 68	Anyone has any idea if regals eat leather corals? I noticed mine picking at my mumps this morning...

05/11/2006, 07:35 AM	#1253
DKRT0821 Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 68	The use of cyanide is not allowed under Marine Aquarium Council Certification. Poison (cyanide) and explosive fishing causes a decline in health in the marine ecosystem. In the Phillipines for example, I believe that they have to pass a test detecting the use of cyanide; however, the lack of enforcement as well as a lack of incentives to follow the law make it nearly impossible to know for sure. So to answer your question, no.

05/12/2006, 06:58 AM	#1255
DKRT0821 Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 68	Welcom. I believe they look relatively the same, at least from what I have read.

05/12/2006, 07:10 AM	#1256
GSchiemer Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 879	Yes, Regal Angels from the Maldives (Indian Ocean) have the same coloration as the Red Sea variants and are more desirable that Indo-Pacific specimens. Greg

05/14/2006, 09:51 AM	#1261
nbd13 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Charlotte, Michigan Posts: 3,259	NexDog, I know you do not want to put fresh clams in there, but if you don't i am not sure a tiny bit of nori every day will do. The most important thing is to get something in their stomach. In this case with a bone visible, like said above it's probably malnutrition, I would highly suggest putting a clam or 2 in there. I knwo you are worried about clams in your reef, BUT.... I have 5 angels and put 3 fresh clams in my tank everyday for my regal AND none of the fish even look twice at my 3 clams I have in my tank (all maximas)... JMO, but you need to get something else in the regals stomach. Nick

05/14/2006, 09:52 AM	#1262
nbd13 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Charlotte, Michigan Posts: 3,259	To add to the above, most regals are not used to eating from the water column, ie. no mysis, pellets, and so on. That's why it is eating nori, they eat sponges in the wild, so they do not see something floating past them food. That's were the clams come in to make the change over to frozen foods... Nick

05/14/2006, 09:31 PM	#1265
Aquaduck Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Waterloo, Ont. Canada Posts: 1,076	It's called the "lateral line".

05/14/2006, 09:41 PM	#1266
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Yah, exactly like that. As you said, doesn't look thin and neither does mine but I thought it might be a sign of malnourishment. Mine doesn't have the typically pinched in stomach though.... __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/14/2006, 09:56 PM	#1267
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Nick, think I'll try the mussels or other shellfish too as I really don't want to lose this fish. Can't take any chances!! __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/14/2006, 10:01 PM	#1268
nbd13 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Charlotte, Michigan Posts: 3,259	Exactly, good luck and let us know how it turns out. Nick

05/14/2006, 10:10 PM	#1269
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	Absolutely. I'll be reading this thread every day now anyway. __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).

05/15/2006, 09:39 AM	#1270
DKRT0821 Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 68	NexDog - As I said mine was forced to go into my main tank (too big for the QT). Reading through this thread I learned about the clams. I feed mine clams with a couple of drops of garlic two days a week. I also have two small clams (maxima's) in my tank and so far it has not touched them. Try that. Mine also seems to have stopped picking at my leather coral and lately it is eating like a CHAMP! It eats anything I put in my tank (cubed formula 1 & 2, angel formula, VHP formula, brine reef, mysis, chopped scallops - all with a couple of drops of garlic). It did take mine 3 weeks to eat though. Hope it continues to do as well as it has been doing. ItÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s very exciting to finally watch it eat!! Just takes time and patience. Hang in there.

05/15/2006, 10:56 AM	#1271
Beckmola24 Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 345	I started reading this thread several months ago, because I was interested in a Regal Angel at the time it was started. What I'm wondering (w/o going back through the whole thread) is where is the best place to buy a small regal? I want a Red Sea, but small. Also when is the best time to add them to a tank. My tank has no fish right now and I'm wondeirng when would be a good time to add one. Thanks! __________________ ~Becky~

05/15/2006, 03:35 PM	#1272
DKRT0821 Awaiting Email Confirmation Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 68	Beckmola - What do you mean by best time to add them to a tank? How long have you had your tank and what do you have in it right now? Mine is in my reef tank behaving very well. You can try liveaquaria.com and place yourself on the waiting list for a small regal from the red sea. Their prices are very competive and they do have good quality of fish. Once you become aware of that it is available you may even want to take an extra step by calling them and request the fish size you are looking for. I believe their manager is Stacy and she is very nice.

05/15/2006, 04:15 PM	#1273
Pennoyer Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 456	Phisybusiness has been able to find juvenile regals when requested. He got mine ~ 2"- 2.5", QT'ed it for me, got it eating and shipped in great shape. Eating the first night and doing fine. IMO, absolutely worth the extra $$$ to get a fish in great shape and exactly the size you're looking for. HTH __________________ Serenity Now!! Current Tank Info: 90 gallon; Seq. 4200 return w/ 2 x 1" Seaswirls; Seq. 4200 w/ HD-4Way OceanM. CL; 2 x 250 DE ROIII's w/ Gies. 14.5k's on Icecaps; 4x48" T5HO's w/ Icecap SLR's on 2x660 Icecaps dawn/dusk; Geo 6x40" Ext. NW Skim; Jet 1 CR; PC-650 Chiller

05/15/2006, 05:27 PM	#1274
Beckmola24 Registered Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 345	I don't have anything in my tank right now. Nada. It's a new(er) tank. It's been running now for 2 months and is stable. I was wondeing when would be a good time to add the Regal. I'm thinking after a year or so, but that's just me being on the cautious side of things. I was just thinking that if the Regal doesn't have many fish to stress it out, that might be better. Just thoughts. __________________ ~Becky~

05/15/2006, 06:09 PM	#1275
NexDog Snail Killer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kyushu, Japan Posts: 4,804	I put the mussel-type shell fish in last night.l I pryed it open, wrapped an elastic band over it and then wrapped it around a piece of 2" pipe - perfect fit. Haven't seen the Regal eat from it yet but looks like something has been nibbling on it... __________________ Laurence Flynn 340g In-Wall Envision Tank and 150g Sump. Current Tank Info: Deltec 902, PFO hood with 3x400w Radium 20k and 4x96w PC's. Hammerhead closed loop - and 2 x Tunze 6105 (and Vortech still sucks).