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Unread 04/25/2012, 10:39 PM   #51
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Yes 72 LED will be plenty for your tank. Just build a c channel heatsink and spread the leds out evenly across the tank and u will get *****en spread. If ur looking for a 14k look then you will def WANT to go with a 2:1 ratio. I have seen a 3:1 ratio and it looks too blue. I have also seen the 1:1 and it looks 10k. The whites over power the blue and it DOES NOT look good IMO. If it were me i would order:

48-Royal Blue
8-6500k white
6-10000k
4- 420nm violet
3-4500k
3-Cyan
that would give u a pretty sweet full spectrum fixture and i would def do 80 degree optics. the 60 would prolly be too narrow, my 80s look great. dont run optics on the cyan, 4500k, or the 420nm good luck



I was just thinking the same type setup on mine. Rebuild because I hate having blues on most of the day .. 20k look So I second that color choice.

So no one gets confused... IMO I think my sps's need wave lenghts from Uv (380nm - 510nm) For the best color and growth. IMO I feel the "whites" need only be ran 4-6hrs daily with mostly blues running 12-16hrs daily.. IMO the "white's rather it be 4500K,6500k,10,000k ect are just giving a little red,yellow (525-660nm) to complete the spectrum corals use. And "660nm" is bad IMO...

If I were to design your same set up I would go no optics (honestly) or 90+ optics. I have {38}leds 14-16" over surface with 60* optics and I bet I could tape half them off and they still would cover.. I also am 3weeks in and cant ramp above 20% yet... Led are underestimated I think.. And I don't know much about the 4500K's but I feel it would be too yellow.. {4}6500k's and I bet I couldn't add more than {2} more without pee water look.

But this is what I would do...


33-Royal Blue (save 2 or 3 for lunar) worth the $7 driver (ebay)
8-6500k white
14-10000k
8- 420nm violet
3-Pink
3-Cyan
3-UV


Note Aquastyleonline does sell a moon lighting. Have to ask but it's bright IMO.. But def. worth the $12.. And take advantage of getting extra led's to play with colors later if needed.. Shipping is a little higher.



FOUND THIS THOUGHT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL - How light is filtered through water.



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Unread 04/25/2012, 11:54 PM   #52
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Thanks Schnitzel! Last question- would the 16 inch heatsink be ok on her 30 " long tank? I really dont like the look of the c-channel stuff, she doesnt have a canopy.......what degree optics/height would you use for full coverage with a fixture that is 12" shorter than the length of the tank....? Thanks
Umm that's a little tough. Having the fixture 12" shorter might be a little hard, but I would consider buying a longer heat sink, or don't run optics on the LEDs on the outside of ur fixture. I'd run the fixture 6-10" above the water with 80" optics. I have mine 6" above the water on a 24" tall tank and I've had to remove some of the optics cuz it's blasting the corals on the sand bed.


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Unread 04/26/2012, 07:58 AM   #53
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Thanks! Waiting for a reply from Ray because you can't make custom light ratios on his order page for the kit


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Unread 04/26/2012, 11:20 AM   #54
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144 blue 43 warm white 43 white, this is for a 96x30x30


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Unread 04/26/2012, 11:24 AM   #55
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Thanks! Waiting for a reply from Ray because you can't make custom light ratios on his order page for the kit
Yes u can. When u make ur order there is a spot to write a comment, just type in there what custom ratio u want. Plus then he will respond to u ASAP


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Unread 04/26/2012, 11:25 AM   #56
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That is too much warm white IMO I would do majority 6500. And maybe 15 or 20 warm white It's going to be too much yellow


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Unread 04/26/2012, 11:51 AM   #57
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144 blue 66 white, 20 warm white, wondering what driver to use with this setup so I don't have a million boxes every where


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Unread 04/26/2012, 01:14 PM   #58
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That helps! Shoulda thought of that:-)


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Unread 04/27/2012, 12:22 PM   #59
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Unread 04/27/2012, 09:05 PM   #60
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Mine are ordered. I went with the 24 kit with 16 rb and 6-6500 and 2-10k. Also, Ray was awesome, he sent me a 20 inch long heatsink for no extra charge! Great company to deal with! Will post pix of before (t-5) and after LED.


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Unread 04/29/2012, 10:29 AM   #61
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Hey bud, thanks for all of your help, I have built the c-channel heat sink and getting ready to order the LEDs.

I have a few more questions, how far about did you space your LEDs, mine a 2 1/4 on the channel and 4" between enter to center of each channel. Also, did you get any shadowing from the nbraces on your tank. Some people have been spreading the LEDs out to avoid the brace.

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Unread 04/29/2012, 09:54 PM   #62
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thanks everyone, I placed my order a few minutes ago. Here is what I will have once they arrive. I got some from aquariumstyle and some from a few fellow reefers.

48 RB
12 White 10,000K
12 White 6,500K
10 White 4,500K
8 420nm Violet
3 Cyan

3 Meanwell LPF drivers.

I know that I will have extra LEDS and am happy that I will be able to tweak the lights a little here and there with the extras. After I am all done then I will sell the remaining LEDs, but keep a few for spares.

My goal is to run the 420nm violet on two separate strings, one will be moonlight and the other normal operation.

The only thing I have to figure out now is what the best configuration is on my heat sink, does anyone have any threads that illustrate some good layouts for the tank.

I may order a cheap ebay dimmable driver for the moonlights, but havent decided yet, Thanks for all the help, but bare with me we are just getting started, LOL

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Unread 04/29/2012, 10:31 PM   #63
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That is too much warm white IMO I would do majority 6500. And maybe 15 or 20 warm white It's going to be too much yellow


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Thanks for the advice what what kelvins would be consider the warm white and should i use any10000k


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Unread 04/30/2012, 06:04 AM   #64
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SchnitzelReef,

Hey bud, I am more confused then ever lol. I spoke with Ray last night and he said that I needed to run 90 LEDs over my 90 gallon tank, he also threw in some pinks, reds, and another cyan and said that was the proper mix of colors for a full spectrum.

Now I have to add to my heatsink and it will cause the LEDS to be closer than before..

Any thoughts?

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Unread 04/30/2012, 06:29 PM   #65
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I'm adding more LEDs over my tank for a better spread. What do you guys think of these colours?

8 v Actinic
6 x Cyan
24 x RB
11 x 4500K
5 x 6500K
6 x 10,000K

I am thinking of taking out all the 10K and some of the 4500K and replace them with 6500K what do you guys think?


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Unread 04/30/2012, 11:16 PM   #66
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Nice Job. looks great. I just ordered 108 DIY. Just curious...how did you bond your aluminum together ?

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Unread 05/01/2012, 08:07 PM   #67
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Hey I have a question about layout pattern. Here is my bulb color mix that i'm going with: 24 royal blue, 6-6500k, 4-1000k, 2-4500k from Ray at Aquastyle. My tank is a 54 corner, Schnitzel thanks for the help thus far, and i'm going to gut out my light fixture that I have that measures roughly 21"x13". I want to go with Schintzel's recomendation and use the C-channel for the frame work and spread the lights evenly and do 6 rows of 6 lights. any suggestions on the layout pattern


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Unread 05/03/2012, 11:28 PM   #68
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SORRY GUYS!!! i havent checked this thread in awhile..ok here we go answering questions...DONT FORGET i am in no way a pro, just offering my opinion


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Thanks for the advice what what kelvins would be consider the warm white and should i use any10000k
I would run 4500k, just no so many. I did a good mixture of 45,65,and 10 on my tank and i would prolly do fewer 45 and 10 and do more 6500k. good luck

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SchnitzelReef,

Hey bud, I am more confused then ever lol. I spoke with Ray last night and he said that I needed to run 90 LEDs over my 90 gallon tank, he also threw in some pinks, reds, and another cyan and said that was the proper mix of colors for a full spectrum.

Now I have to add to my heatsink and it will cause the LEDS to be closer than before..

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Honestly bro u dont need all that stuff for full spectrum. the main colors u need for full spectrum are Royal Blue, White, & green. The red spectrum gets filtered very quickly in the ocean. There is also red spectrum in the warm white. (4500k) And 90 leds is WAYYYY too much for a 90g tank. I have a 72x24x24 180g tank, and im running 90 leds. I PROMISE YOU that 90 are plenty for my 180g tank and all my corals are doing great. I even killed 2 corals because the light was too intense. I had to remove a bunch of the optics. having 90 leds wont be bad, u could run 200 leds on ur tank. All that u will do is have to crank them back to 50% or less. Unless of course u plan on having SPS on the bottom of ur tank lol

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I'm adding more LEDs over my tank for a better spread. What do you guys think of these colours?

8 v Actinic
6 x Cyan
24 x RB
11 x 4500K
5 x 6500K
6 x 10,000K

I am thinking of taking out all the 10K and some of the 4500K and replace them with 6500K what do you guys think?
YEP that sounds good. That is way too many 4500s. Think of the 4500s as red, or green. The color is very intense. It basically looks like gold or yellow. So if u add too many 4500s, it makes ur tank look VERY yellow. I have 5 spread out evenly across my tank and im not running any optics, and i still dont like the look that much.

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Nice Job. looks great. I just ordered 108 DIY. Just curious...how did you bond your aluminum together ?

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JB Weld worked perfect and its obviously very strong. I was gunna have it welded by a friend, but honestly the JB Weld worked awesome and i was able to do it myself

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Hey I have a question about layout pattern. Here is my bulb color mix that i'm going with: 24 royal blue, 6-6500k, 4-1000k, 2-4500k from Ray at Aquastyle. My tank is a 54 corner, Schnitzel thanks for the help thus far, and i'm going to gut out my light fixture that I have that measures roughly 21"x13". I want to go with Schintzel's recomendation and use the C-channel for the frame work and spread the lights evenly and do 6 rows of 6 lights. any suggestions on the layout pattern
Its funny u ask, cuz i have seen people spend tons and tons of time and effort into setting up the layout of their LEDs. I honestly built my c channel first, then i layed out all my leds the way i wanted them. Dont forget to mark them so u dont get them mixed up. its basic and not high tech, but it worked perfect for me i spaced mine about an inch apart by the way..wiith my canopy fans my channel stays plenty cool


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Unread 05/04/2012, 06:06 AM   #69
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Hi all,

I am in the processes of making my own 90LED DIY for my 90Gal Tank.
I know 90 LEDs are way too much but they will be on timers so that they don’t
work together. Please take a look at my scheme and tell me if it looks good.
I am using all kind of colors during the day so that when the timers go on and off
they will “simulate” the day and night (hopefully..:-))

I am open to suggestions, and remember…
I am not a professional on LEDs. I am just trying to make a better place for my corals


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Unread 05/04/2012, 07:57 AM   #70
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Got mine wired last night. I went with an even spread of blues and put one 10k in the middle of each side. My 6-6500 are evenly placed in between the blues on the outer strips. I plan on not running opticson the 10k for an even spread throughout the tank. What do you think? I will post a picture of the layout shortly


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Unread 05/04/2012, 09:54 AM   #71
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My setup is this, on a 20" long heatsink by 8 inches wide. Blue=RB, Grey=10k, Yellow=6.5k. What do you guys think? I will not be running optics on the 10k, or the outside RB's (3 eash side), because the tank is 30" wide. Thanks

oops- the one RB on the lower right corner shoulld be 6.5 (yellow)= Typo


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Unread 05/04/2012, 11:33 AM   #72
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Haha, and the right side far should be a RB not 10k:-))) someone was talking to me as I was drawing this out= all the typos:-)))


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Unread 05/04/2012, 12:53 PM   #73
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Hey Nick,

You know i'm not an expert but do you think having the RB's in solid lines like that will give you that line in the sand of distinct color changes from blue to white instead of a even mix of the colors so as to look like one color or will not running the optics on the 10000K's compensate for that you think?


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Unread 05/04/2012, 01:11 PM   #74
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I don't think so, my last tank had straight strips of blues....


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Unread 05/04/2012, 03:34 PM   #75
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I thought I'd ask so I might have a different way to think about setting mine up. I know alot a folks talk about having that effect when people do it that way. Can you take the optics off after you put them on without messing anything up?


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