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I feed fairly heavy and that is my preference as well. I do appreciate all your feedback, thanks for responding. |
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Short and to the point. My tank was healthy and happy with a cosmetic problem (hair algae). The use of my choice of a marine algae killer made my tank "pretty" again. The problem is it also kicked my ecosystem back about three billion years to the point where dinos and cyano were likely the dominant life forms on earth. My dinos are mostly suppressed at the moment. Super nitrate/phosphate dcrubbers, vodka dosing, UV, yada, yada..... Despite the tank being on its way to "pretty" again I have no doubt it is otherwise a dinoflagellate dominated eco desert. Soooo...that being said I intend to visit my LFS and pick up a healthy dose of their live phyto/ rotifer/ pod offering and at least give the dinos some competition as they had before screwing things up.
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05/26/2015, 06:32 AM | #1129 |
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Marine algse killer? Drae ypur own conclusion. I havr.
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05/26/2015, 08:39 AM | #1130 | |
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This is the first tank I have experienced dinos in and also first that cyano was a major pain. But this is also the first tank I have run so "sterile". Started it off with carbon and gfo reactors, vinegar dosing in kalk [only when I needed a stronger concentration], etc. (Was an upgrade not a new setup). In previous tanks, I ran carbon passively and as far as gfo, never heard of it when I had my first reef tank and only ran a couple times passively in the tank I upgraded from. Maybe it's time I stop treating for issues that don't even exist and go back to keeping things simple. |
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05/26/2015, 09:27 AM | #1131 |
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My problem is not so much tried and true stuff like nitrate and phosphate control. My real problem ws the hsir algae was getting put of control and I misread the low nitrate as "no" nitrate. Of course the HAwas gobbling it up. Reviewing what I was doing wrong I had to take a hard look at the way I was feeding the fish. The big mistake on my part was throwing the flake food in the sump chamber with the return pump. A lot of food simply never made it to the tank. Nitrate factory for sure and I was too willing to believe the low nitrate test results. Someone a lot smarter than me once wrote on here If ypu fon' know exactly what ypu are doing to your reef don't do it. I managed to turn a cosmetic problem into a disaster by not researching any potential side effects of marine algae killers. So far I've lost about 20 snails, three stonies, and my foot high nepthea is losing pieces of itself. If that stress continues with it being as toxic as it can be there is a real risk to the remaining corals. Time for a carbon change (grin). About 12 years ago I had a single Tonga mushroom die in my amazingly successful 80gal reef. Ten years without a single coral loss. Anyway it released turpenes when it died. Seventy two hours later every coral in my tank was history. I always pass that along. Thanks for your post and good luck.
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One mushroom killed an entire tank? Ouch! I'd be unhappy. I'm sorry to hear about your losses.
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So I've had my UV running continuously for a few weeks. No dinos but a ton of planktonic life... Baby shrimp, starfish, worms and some kinds of pods.
Here are the baby marine shrimp http://youtu.be/FukA9LnuhWE I think that some plankton doesn't get sucked into the overflow at night and doesn't get zapped. These guys tend to stay close to the rocks and sand. With the UV, I think it biases the plankton in favor of those that don't free float? |
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Thanks Jonathan. Yeah it was years ago. The most striking thing was my wife and I kept smelling "turpentine" Even though the tank was in another room it didn't take long to find the source. I am a whole lot more relaxed now that it seems the dinos are in decline in my rather small system.
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05/26/2015, 06:13 PM | #1135 | |
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I spent a lot of time and effort physically removing by blowing off the rocks, UV, 10uM filter socks, heavy skimming, although that helped it only got me 75% there and if I let up the dinos picked up. Removing as much of the sand bed as I could took me to 90% but still had dino loaded brown diatoms growing on the glass which I had to clean daily (no green micro algae at all). letting the water dirty up has taken me to a new level where the green film algae has out competed the brown, It's obviously not for nutrients but more for space or it actually eats the dinos, I don't know but my tank looks its best in a year. I'm hedging my bet on phyto regenerating my ecosystem back to pre algaex conditions and putting the final nail in the dino coffin. |
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05/27/2015, 11:23 AM | #1136 |
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brown vs green film on glass
i still see dinos on the sand bed (i dont see hairs or bubbles--i hope that is because i try not to let them get away from me) but i noticed that the glass has a brown film but not a green film. what is the difference between green vs brown...what is that saying about the DT?
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I didn't restart the UV for fear of decimating the micro fauna again. Like karimwassef says, you either go dirty or go clean and heavy UV, dirty is working for me. |
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05/27/2015, 02:59 PM | #1138 |
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One of my buddies had this issue in his tank and what he did , he got cardboard and cover all the sides of his tank, he made sure that thier was no light what so ever got into the tank, he then turned off all his lights to the tank for 3 days and on the 4th day he uncovered the tank it they were all gone. I hope this helps.
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Another note, when I dirtied up the tank cyano started to take over as well but since restarting my skimmer and carbon it is subsiding to.
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I was using a coralife 12x 36watt running about 400 gph plumbed off my reeflo dart return pump .
I have a 90 gal display with @ 200 gal total volume. |
05/29/2015, 08:48 AM | #1142 |
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lights out for 10 days
curious if anyone has tried this….it seems to me that all this time and money we spend to kill these damn dinos could be saved if we can simply do lights out for 10 days…has anyone tried that?
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05/29/2015, 09:43 AM | #1143 |
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When you turn the lights on, the dinos will come back.
They are mixotrophic - that means that they are photosynthetic and heterotrophic. Unlike algae, they can absorb other nutrients to survive. |
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Mathman..... If you were to turn your lights off for ten days your corals if you have any would be dead, dead, and kaput. Most if not all of rest of your tank would be a lot worse off too. Dinos were surviving like crazy just like cyano long before dinosaurs. Anyway the good part is that by kerping your tank healthy you force them to compete with other microscopic critters for nutrients. My experience.... I have been reefing for twenty years os so without a hint of dinos. Cyano....yup a few times. I recently cleared my tank of hair algae using a marine "algae killer". It worked like a charm. So good that it apparantly killed all of the microscopic algae too. In a single day my tank went from "what is that brown stuff? to a point where I couldn't even keep the glass clear with scrubbing twice a day. My best success was in cleaning the sump,installing fresh phosphate and nitrate removers and finally re installing my UV sterilizer. It has been about two weeks now. The rocks are clear, the corals are obviously relieved and the dinos are down to maybe four or five dime sized spots on the sand and fading quickly. I've only had to clean the glass once in about a week now. Just my experience. Good luck.
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There is a difference.. I found that dino's can out compete other algae at very low nutrient levels. With slightly elevated levels of nutrients other green algae can actually out compete dino's. Now excess nutrient can provide enough for all types of algae and I dont think anyone is talking that. It like during cylce you get all kinds of algae. I had suggested a while back that since dino's can live at so low of nutrient levels some other element might limit their growth. I mean if people were raising their nutrient levels and growing other green algae and the dino's disappeared the green algae had to be removing something from the water that dino's need. Since allot of people I know that had them lived in areas where the water was higher in iron that might be it. Plus iron is known to help in plant and algae growth. Some people have tried cupisorb and said it had positive results. I am wondering if anyone has tried MetaSorb UHC ..
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I wanted to update where I am with my Dino issue and also ask for some suggestions.
I gave up on my fight about 6 months ago. Basically I let the tank crash. I stopped all dosing (2 part and vodka/vinegar), stopped the skimmer and stopped changing water. About 4 months into this I stopped seeing the dino. So I continued down this path for another 2 months until yesterday. I am sure you can imagine but the tank is filthy and I lost almost all my sps coral. I have green hair algae all over the rocks and the water is somewhat green. Yesterday I cleaned my skimmer and turned it back on and did a 10% water. I am going to do another 10% water change this weekend and let the system run for 1-2 months like this without dosing any carbon or 2 part. If the dino comes back do you guys have any suggestions? I am actually thinking of getting a larger tank and just starting over. Do you guys suggest I continue taking it slow? |
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Natas.... I can only offer my experience. My approach was essentially the exact opposite from yours. I cleaned anything and everything that might harbor dinos. That included filter sponges, the sump, vacuuming the sand, rocks cleaning the glass on a daily basis for about two weeks. Three bags of Purigen and a fresh charge of Phosguard in the reactor. Finally I began dosing with vodka and restarted a UV sterilizer which I had from a previous tank. The biggest impact was from the dosing and the UV. This dino thing was no joke. I lost about 20 cerith snails, my trumpet, alveopora and goniopora corals. Now...about three weeks since starting my corals are looking great. The fish have their huge appatite back and instead of cleaning the glass twice a day so I could actually see thru the dinos, I have only cleaned it once this week, actually more of a minor touch up. Sand and rocks are all good. I went into this mess knowing absolutely nothing about dinos but learned a lot here. My problem was caused by a marine algae killer which gave the dinos an articially induced nutrient advantage to to lack of competition due to the totality of the algae killer effect.
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I cleared mine up with a UV sterilizer @ low flow, and skimming constantly.
At night, the dinos become free floating and will get pulled into the UV and the dead exported by skimming. |
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