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Unread 11/25/2010, 09:38 PM   #1
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Intended Fish Purchase's

Hey All before I go out next week to buy my first fish or two to put into the QT, I wanted to run the list by everyone before I make any kind of mistakes with them. So here it is:

Ocellaris Clownfish x 2
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Saddle Clownfish- Black x 2

Yellow Tang x 1
Flame Angel x ?? (suggestions please)
Banghai Cardinal x ?? (suggestions please)
Green Mandarin Goby x 1 (after 1 year of the tank running)

Other species selection welcome and encouraged. I am planning on getting come corals in the future but it would be after I get some or most of my fish. Also if anyone has any suggestions on an order to get them in that would be great.

Here's a pic of my scape for consideration of fish.



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Unread 11/25/2010, 10:41 PM   #2
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Might be barely big enough for a Yellow Tang. he still won't have a ton of swimming room. Everything else looks fine.

You could check out Pajama Cardinals. They will school in groups of 3-5.

Maybe a 6-line Wrasse

Firefish

There are many options...Just find a fish that you think you will enjoy looking at, and that you will be able to take good care of.


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Unread 11/26/2010, 12:42 AM   #3
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list sounds good if introduction is done slowly.

yellow tang may not be so suited for that set-up unless its like a 3 inch tang. even at that youll soon enough have to swap it into a larger system.


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Unread 11/26/2010, 07:11 AM   #4
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Alright this is a 90 gallon tank... anything I have read for the tang says that this is enough room for 1... am I mistaken or is everything I have read wrong???


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Unread 11/26/2010, 08:15 AM   #5
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The black sand is sure an interesting look....


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Unread 11/26/2010, 08:58 AM   #6
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Yeah.. You could put another tang or a foxface rabbit or something as well. I have a heavily stocked 90g

mandarin
christmas wrasse
yellow tang
blue tang
foxface rabbit
2 chromis
blue damsel
purple firefish
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Unread 11/26/2010, 08:34 PM   #7
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Alrighty after some more thought and reading I am thinking of this:

2 x Ocellaris Clownfish
2 x 6 Line Wrasse
2 x Royal Gramma Basslet
2 x Blue Reef Chromis
1 x Yellow Tang
1 x Mandarin Goby


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Unread 11/26/2010, 09:36 PM   #8
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That substrate looks great. When the opportunity arises I'm definitely going to switch out and go for that look.


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Unread 11/27/2010, 10:30 AM   #9
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So with no responses as to if this list is a bad idea I plan on starting with the clown's and then will figure out the rest...


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Unread 11/27/2010, 03:46 PM   #10
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i think for the chromis ur best bet is to get a minimum of 3, and always have an odd number. and id prolyl go wit 1 wrasse and 1 royal grama


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Unread 11/27/2010, 04:29 PM   #11
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Your revised list is good: and sapoloo's suggestion is good, too. Wrasses aren't friendly sorts: they'd probably fight.


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Unread 11/27/2010, 04:48 PM   #12
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Alrighty after some more thought and reading I am thinking of this:

2 x Ocellaris Clownfish
2 x 6 Line Wrasse
2 x Royal Gramma Basslet
2 x Blue Reef Chromis
1 x Yellow Tang
1 x Mandarin Goby
A 6 line wrasse is not compatible with a mandarin for two reasons: 1) It will deplete the pod population and 2) They are known to nip mandarin eyes and render them blind


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Unread 11/27/2010, 04:52 PM   #13
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Yyyyyuuuuk. I have never gotten along well with wrasses, and that's one more on my list of why I don't have wrasses. [I've always had mandys.] It's a personal thing. I've lost too many fish to them.


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Salinity 1.024-6; alkalinity 8.3-9.3 on KH scale; calcium 420; magnesium 1300, temp 78-80, nitrate .2. Ammonia 0. No filters: lps tank. Alk and cal won't rise if mg is low.

Current Tank Info: 105g AquaVim wedge, yellow tang, sailfin blenny,royal gramma, ocellaris clown pair, yellow watchman, 100 microceriths, 25 tiny hermits, a 4" conch, 1" nassarius, recovering from 2 year hiatus with daily water change of 10%.
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Unread 11/27/2010, 05:03 PM   #14
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In the long run all tang species will outgrow a 90. Yes a Yellow Tang can survive but cannot thrive in that small of an enclosure. The more stress placed upon an inhabitant the weaker their immune system will be. Many of the fish kept and regarded as "Ich Magnets" (tangs especially) are simply in systems too small for them to thrive. You can exchange a tang on your list for a dwarf angel.


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Unread 11/28/2010, 08:28 AM   #15
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Alright so someting like this would be better...

2 x Ocellaris Clownfish
1 x Royal Gramma Basslet
3 x Blue Reef Chromis
1 x Yellow Tang
1 x Mandarin Goby

I was thinking of the Flame Angels but have read many places that they are not safe for a reef/corals.


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Unread 11/28/2010, 09:51 AM   #16
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Dwarf angles tend to be a little more reef safe then their larger cousins. but it is hit or miss with them.


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Unread 11/28/2010, 11:53 AM   #17
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You may consider adding a blenny to the mix - I find them really entertaining and they stay reasonably small. IME Bi-colour's have great personalities, as do tailspots.


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Unread 11/28/2010, 12:19 PM   #18
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Do the blennies not eat the same thing as the mandarin?


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Unread 11/28/2010, 12:23 PM   #19
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no they do not, depending on what type you get, they are usually herbivores or omnivores.

and one of my favorite fish.


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Unread 11/28/2010, 01:32 PM   #20
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I've had a Flame Angel for about a month now and he has not nipped at any of my corals. They are hit or miss as yours could be different. IMO they are worth the risk cause they are an absolutely beautiful fish.


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Unread 11/28/2010, 02:30 PM   #21
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Alright am I getting there?

2 x Ocellaris Clownfish
1 x Royal Gramma Basslet
3 x Blue Reef Chromis
1 x Yellow Tang
1 x Mandarin Goby
1 x Flame Angel
1 x Bi Blenny


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You're getting there. That should be a pretty tank. Red, blue, yellow, green, just a little of everything. Even with the flame angel, you might get away with some hardy discosoma mushrooms if you wanted to try them: but be sure---once they get onto your rock you're stuck with them.


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Unread 11/28/2010, 03:27 PM   #23
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As for corals I know I want a sun coral and some sort of torch/hammer corals and then zooa's and rics. I was thinking on the sun to be in the center bottom of the tank near the "cave" and then the torch's on either side for balance... past that just what looks nice and full.


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Well you're probably not going to like this comment, but the recommended size of a tank (minimum) is meant to be added up for each fish. Your selection is something like this:
2 Oc’s 40gal
Gramma 20gal
3 Blue Chromis 165gal
Y Tang 75gal
Mandarin 20gal
F Angel 20gal
Bi Color 20gal
So realistically you need a tank over 300 gallons and that's minus how much water displacement there is for LR. Of course there are cross territories and the help of over sized equipment such as a skimmer can be a great aid.

A major problem in your selection is the choice of 3 Chromis. All damsel family members are quite territorial and if you are lucky enough to get a pair, the 3rd will eventually be killed. Another issue is your choice of reefscape. I too like the center mound style, however it limits the crevices and their distances which will determine territory. Clowns, Gramma, Damsel/Chromis, Angel and Blenny will not want to be so close within the rock.

As far as angels and corals its really not that tough; angels are detritivores meaning they eat waste or an omnivore that also eats poop. Stressed corals will exude tons of mucus and that is like candy to a Flame Angel. An established healthy tank or covering the new corals with something like a plastic fruit basket will keep a hungry angel away. There are many deeper water dwarf angels that are safer than Flames.


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As far as angels and corals its really not that tough; angels are detritivores meaning they eat waste or an omnivore that also eats poop. Stressed corals will exude tons of mucus and that is like candy to a Flame Angel. An established healthy tank or covering the new corals with something like a plastic fruit basket will keep a hungry angel away.
That is so true. Centropyges usually are after the coral slime, not the coral.

I don't know a thing about blue reef chromis, but I'd assume they'd act like chromis and kill each other off. But 3 of these damsels, Chrysiptera hemicyanea, got along very well in my 100g. Two of them paired off and the other usually lived on the other side of the tank. They seemed to have some kind of group meeting in the mornings. lol But there are similar damsels that will NOT get along this way, so you'd have to be really sure what you were getting.



If a school of fish is what you have in mind, you're probably not going to get it. You might look into those Apagon something or others.


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