The Bare Bottom Club - Page 4

messy1messmer · 09/01/2007, 05:24 AM

Better color, better growth and coral much happier. I will never go back to a DSB and i dont have to worry about the 2 year DSB crash. Plus i was able to kick up my flow alot with having a sand storm. Also zoa's are easier to frag off the bottom then off a rocks.

Love the thread.

samsfishnchips · 09/03/2007, 03:01 PM

so is the force still strong

sam

MeuserReef · 09/03/2007, 03:43 PM

The force could not be stronger...

GSMguy · 09/03/2007, 03:45 PM

im going to sell my tunze nano stream 6055 and get another vortech and the force will be 1500gph stronger.

samsfishnchips · 09/03/2007, 03:53 PM

sweet,

had to add a closed loop for the bottom, now got my bottom nice and clean

sam

hulley · 09/03/2007, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by samsfishnchips
sweet,

had to add a closed loop for the bottom, now got my bottom nice and clean

sam

Hey this is a family site! We dont want to hear about your BOTTOM!!!

MeuserReef · 09/03/2007, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GSMguy
im going to sell my tunze nano stream 6055 and get another vortech and the force will be 1500gph stronger.

"Concentrate....Feel the Force flow. Yes. Good. Calm, yes. Through the Force, things you will see....Deutritus long gone!"

DT's_Reef · 09/11/2007, 11:17 AM

The best sps system I had was BB, and one of the worst was a different BB, lol. So many factors to success...just gotta pick what works for you.

I like the look of fine white sand, so I use a thin layer of it. I have a very light fish load in my 90 system and feed sparingly too. I also feed only wet mostly meaty food, rotifers, bit of dt's. Very strong skimming and flow, etc.

I also think nutrient management is easier if you have a tank loaded with larger growing corals than when you first start out with a bunch of frags. Gotta keep those nutrients moving right along....fast in, fast out.

samsfishnchips · 09/11/2007, 02:02 PM

DT's_Reef,

good pts, you still need to work at it

sam

flyyyguy · 09/11/2007, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by boss252
how do you guys get the detritus off the bottom of the tank. That is the only problem I have. I try to suck it up with siphon but I can't get it all.

I took my time designing the tank so nothing settles on the floor period. no siphoning necessary.

And Audio...as far as BB looking unnatural..........there are no sandbeds on top of the reef, so SAND is whats unnatural.

I run a dsb and a BB tank.....but when the inevitable time comes that the current sandbed is needing replaced.........it will be getting replaced........with flow. This decision has nothing to do with looks, it has to do with me wanting to bei in complete control of my tank and the envirionment.........with the sandbed having no say in the matter

Welcome to the club Houtz

agsansoo · 11/07/2007, 09:10 AM

Are you still taking / accepting new members ? If so here's my application.

I went bare bottom over the weekend. I removed my nasty crushed coral substrate, it was not a pretty sight.

GSMguy · 11/07/2007, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by agsansoo
Are you still taking / accepting new members ? If so here's my application.

I went bare bottom over the weekend. I removed my nasty crushed coral substrate, it was not a pretty sight.

Looks great.

agsansoo · 11/07/2007, 09:30 AM

Thanks GSMguy ! I need to do a few more things here soon. First is upgrade my skimmer. I have a small sump, and limited on space available. Also need to get rid of my RDSB in my fuge.

GSMguy · 11/07/2007, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by agsansoo
Thanks GSMguy ! I need to do a few more things here soon. First is upgrade my skimmer. I have a small sump, and limited on space available. Also need to get rid of my RDSB in my fuge.

there are plenty of smaller in sump skimmers that kick but these days. and no need to worry about space if you go external.

im planning an upgrade from my so so HOB skimmer to an external Recirculating skimmer soon.

also id consider keeping the RDSB for now they can be really beneficial.

agsansoo · 09/29/2009, 12:19 PM

Ouch that photo is old. LOL

This photo is from a couple of months ago.

asonitez · 09/30/2009, 07:31 AM

My LFS had a 55 gallon tank that he planted a patch of watermelon zoa's directly onto the tank bottom. He target fed them until they spread like wild fire. He would take a razorblade and slice perfect square patches of them and then replant them across the tank on other areas. Eventually the ZOA's took over the entire bottom of the tank and made a field of watermelon zoa's. It was pretty awesome.

agsansoo · 09/30/2009, 08:14 AM

Yeah ... I wish I would have pick a better zoa's to cover mine. Well hind sight is 20/20 LOL.

williamjhitchcock · 09/30/2009, 08:45 AM

Heres mine still in the build process, I painted the bottom and the back of the glass blue. Aslo i bonded the rock together and silconed it to the glass so i could cut out those crappy looking zip ties.

stanlalee · 09/30/2009, 10:48 AM

I started with sand but I got tired of blowing up sand everytime I cleaned the glass or didn't have the powerhead aimed perfectly. I now can go to town with the magfloat and scraper and my two tunze nanos (not shown these are all old pics, 6045 and modded 6025) can be pointed anywhere I want.

I didnt toss the sand though just relocated where it isn't a menace (and made a small 6" DSB in the process).

agsansoo · 09/30/2009, 11:40 AM

@stanlalee, nice looking tank. No RDSB needed. It's optional.

agsansoo · 09/30/2009, 11:46 AM

Remember the BB motto :
Bare bottom is different than a sandbed because you are relying on immediate exportation instead of delayed.

paullisa51708 · 11/04/2009, 05:32 AM

so bb and no refuge sand can u still have a mangrove? im going bb in my 90 for sure and cooking my rocks now if i cook half at a time it wont hurt the tak as i have fish and coral now cause im thinkin i cant just take all the rock out and cook it all and keep the tank runnin with fish and corals any and all input is greatly appreciated you guys rock im going to join the bb club for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bob 1000 · 11/04/2009, 09:14 AM

BB since 96'.. My denitrifier would battle a sandbed anyway.. Besides who wants to move a rock by accident and stir up the sandbed making what I call phosphate soup???

NKYdude · 11/04/2009, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Palancar

I'm doing the same. Pulled out all the sand, installed high flow closed-loop, working on reaquascaping. Looking forward to something different.

just did that to mine this past week. i'm loving it!!

i stripped the entire old tank down, drilled for a beananimal overflow, CLS floor sweep and went barebottom. i think it looks great

Anemonebuff · 11/04/2009, 11:59 AM

I am almost BB. It takes a lot of waterchanges to get it all out.

Shot with Canon PowerShot SD790 IS at 2009-10-04

09/01/2007, 05:24 AM	#76
messy1messmer Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: fort collins co Posts: 1,252	Better color, better growth and coral much happier. I will never go back to a DSB and i dont have to worry about the 2 year DSB crash. Plus i was able to kick up my flow alot with having a sand storm. Also zoa's are easier to frag off the bottom then off a rocks. Love the thread. __________________ Save the world and the reefs Steve Messmer Current Tank Info: 120g sps,lps,zoas, tek T5 8x54, Mrc3, 5 tunze nano streams.

09/03/2007, 03:01 PM	#77
samsfishnchips Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,328	so is the force still strong sam __________________ Every moment is a chance for happiness. Current Tank Info: 90G 99% SPS

09/03/2007, 03:43 PM	#78
MeuserReef Welcome to the next level Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,412	The force could not be stronger... __________________ "Never be afraid to do something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark; professionals built the titanic." -Anonymous Current Tank Info: tankless

09/03/2007, 03:45 PM	#79
GSMguy Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Northern New Mexico Posts: 17,420	im going to sell my tunze nano stream 6055 and get another vortech and the force will be 1500gph stronger. __________________ Nick. Conehead. Shallow Reef club. Current Tank Info: 48"x27"x14" Envision Acrylic rimless, 6x39w ATi Sunpower, Custom ATB Deluxe Skimmer, 4x tunze nano stream,ATB flowstar 1500, ACJR, Tunze osmolator.

09/03/2007, 03:53 PM	#80
samsfishnchips Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,328	sweet, had to add a closed loop for the bottom, now got my bottom nice and clean sam __________________ Every moment is a chance for happiness. Current Tank Info: 90G 99% SPS

09/11/2007, 11:17 AM	#83
DT's_Reef Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 3,083	The best sps system I had was BB, and one of the worst was a different BB, lol. So many factors to success...just gotta pick what works for you. I like the look of fine white sand, so I use a thin layer of it. I have a very light fish load in my 90 system and feed sparingly too. I also feed only wet mostly meaty food, rotifers, bit of dt's. Very strong skimming and flow, etc. I also think nutrient management is easier if you have a tank loaded with larger growing corals than when you first start out with a bunch of frags. Gotta keep those nutrients moving right along....fast in, fast out.

09/11/2007, 02:02 PM	#84
samsfishnchips Premium Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,328	DT's_Reef, good pts, you still need to work at it sam __________________ Every moment is a chance for happiness. Current Tank Info: 90G 99% SPS

11/07/2007, 09:10 AM	#86
agsansoo Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Downey,CA Posts: 1,782	Are you still taking / accepting new members ? If so here's my application. I went bare bottom over the weekend. I removed my nasty crushed coral substrate, it was not a pretty sight. __________________ Andy SCRK Member Current Tank Info: Barebottom, 65 Bow-Front, 20 gal sump/fuge, octo extreme 160, (2) Lumen Max3 250W w/ XM 20k's, 2 VHO Actinic and (1) VorTech MP40w & (1) VorTech MP10

11/07/2007, 09:30 AM	#88
agsansoo Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Downey,CA Posts: 1,782	Thanks GSMguy ! I need to do a few more things here soon. First is upgrade my skimmer. I have a small sump, and limited on space available. Also need to get rid of my RDSB in my fuge. __________________ Andy SCRK Member Current Tank Info: Barebottom, 65 Bow-Front, 20 gal sump/fuge, octo extreme 160, (2) Lumen Max3 250W w/ XM 20k's, 2 VHO Actinic and (1) VorTech MP40w & (1) VorTech MP10

09/29/2009, 12:19 PM	#90
agsansoo Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Downey,CA Posts: 1,782	Ouch that photo is old. LOL This photo is from a couple of months ago. __________________ Andy SCRK Member Current Tank Info: Barebottom, 65 Bow-Front, 20 gal sump/fuge, octo extreme 160, (2) Lumen Max3 250W w/ XM 20k's, 2 VHO Actinic and (1) VorTech MP40w & (1) VorTech MP10

09/30/2009, 07:31 AM	#91
asonitez Floodicus Maximus Flooris Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 1,643	My LFS had a 55 gallon tank that he planted a patch of watermelon zoa's directly onto the tank bottom. He target fed them until they spread like wild fire. He would take a razorblade and slice perfect square patches of them and then replant them across the tank on other areas. Eventually the ZOA's took over the entire bottom of the tank and made a field of watermelon zoa's. It was pretty awesome.

09/30/2009, 08:14 AM	#92
agsansoo Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Downey,CA Posts: 1,782	Yeah ... I wish I would have pick a better zoa's to cover mine. Well hind sight is 20/20 LOL. __________________ Andy SCRK Member Current Tank Info: Barebottom, 65 Bow-Front, 20 gal sump/fuge, octo extreme 160, (2) Lumen Max3 250W w/ XM 20k's, 2 VHO Actinic and (1) VorTech MP40w & (1) VorTech MP10

09/30/2009, 08:45 AM	#93
williamjhitchcock Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Saint Petersburg Fl Posts: 205	Heres mine still in the build process, I painted the bottom and the back of the glass blue. Aslo i bonded the rock together and silconed it to the glass so i could cut out those crappy looking zip ties.

09/30/2009, 10:48 AM	#94
stanlalee Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: hampton roads, va Posts: 1,799	I started with sand but I got tired of blowing up sand everytime I cleaned the glass or didn't have the powerhead aimed perfectly. I now can go to town with the magfloat and scraper and my two tunze nanos (not shown these are all old pics, 6045 and modded 6025) can be pointed anywhere I want. I didnt toss the sand though just relocated where it isn't a menace (and made a small 6" DSB in the process).

09/30/2009, 11:40 AM	#95
agsansoo Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Downey,CA Posts: 1,782	@stanlalee, nice looking tank. No RDSB needed. It's optional. __________________ Andy SCRK Member Current Tank Info: Barebottom, 65 Bow-Front, 20 gal sump/fuge, octo extreme 160, (2) Lumen Max3 250W w/ XM 20k's, 2 VHO Actinic and (1) VorTech MP40w & (1) VorTech MP10

09/30/2009, 11:46 AM	#96
agsansoo Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Downey,CA Posts: 1,782	Remember the BB motto : Bare bottom is different than a sandbed because you are relying on immediate exportation instead of delayed. __________________ Andy SCRK Member Current Tank Info: Barebottom, 65 Bow-Front, 20 gal sump/fuge, octo extreme 160, (2) Lumen Max3 250W w/ XM 20k's, 2 VHO Actinic and (1) VorTech MP40w & (1) VorTech MP10

11/04/2009, 05:32 AM	#97
paullisa51708 Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 97	so bb and no refuge sand can u still have a mangrove? im going bb in my 90 for sure and cooking my rocks now if i cook half at a time it wont hurt the tak as i have fish and coral now cause im thinkin i cant just take all the rock out and cook it all and keep the tank runnin with fish and corals any and all input is greatly appreciated you guys rock im going to join the bb club for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11/04/2009, 09:14 AM	#98
Bob 1000 is Join Date: May 2009 Location: Staten Island Posts: 148	BB since 96'.. My denitrifier would battle a sandbed anyway.. Besides who wants to move a rock by accident and stir up the sandbed making what I call phosphate soup??? __________________ Got salt???? Current Tank Info: 300 piano, 125 sump/refugium, LE SPs, natureef denitrifier

11/04/2009, 11:59 AM	#100
Anemonebuff Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: LI,NY Posts: 3,877	I am almost BB. It takes a lot of waterchanges to get it all out. Shot with Canon PowerShot SD790 IS at 2009-10-04