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01/20/2015, 01:27 PM | #676 |
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Pants - the antibiotic attack occurred to me last year, but I had no idea which one(s) to try and didn't have the patience (or money) to run through a bunch of them at random. So I appreciate that you've found one that works on ostreopsis.
Out of curiosity, do you think the antibiotic kills the dinos directly? Or does it kill symbiotic bacteria which indirectly results in the death of the dinos? |
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It may be that tanks that get overrun with dinos have none of these types of predators, or that they are too specialized so they die off in some tanks. The suggestion that dinos seem to appear hand in hand with ULNS conditions, may also be related. The low nutrients may be taking out the predators that keep dinos in check, but unlike the predators, the dinos can encyst and wait for the predators extinction, and then grow to plague proportions without any biological controls. This is a great observation Montireef. Dennis
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This thread is this long because really nothing is a sure fire way to get rid of Dino's without burning the tank w/ bleach. Let the other algae take over along with Cyano. Once they outcompete the Dinos and starve them out then you can deal with them in normal fashions. Everything else is just unreliable and time consuming. This is from my experience.
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Completely agree, Dennis, specially on this:
"unlike the predators, the dinos can encyst and wait for the predators extinction, and then grow to plague proportions without any biological controls" Almost one month later I am spotting some ostreopsis cells on the microscope. They were gone, but now they are back. |
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01/27/2015, 02:52 PM | #682 |
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I never switch it off
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01/27/2015, 04:15 PM | #683 |
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this is also true IMO for parasites like ich. In tanks where I have had a problem I install a uv sterilizer and keep it on 24/7
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01/27/2015, 06:03 PM | #684 |
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So what if we purposely gave ourselves a huge white bacterial bloom and see what the dinos do in that case???
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The cure might be worse than the disease. I'm not sure what the bacterial bloom is supposed to do.
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Just thinkin that it might upset the ratio of the food chain in our favor
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...like pouring the skimmate back in. Which I did today
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01/27/2015, 07:34 PM | #688 |
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Skimming is one of the main ways of removing phosphates from our systems. Dumping skimmate back into your system makes no sense to me.
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I would suspect that dinos are in most tanks, and only become an issue when the situation presents allowing them to bloom into plague proportions. So having (some) dinos may be a good thing, otherwise the dino predators may go the way of a nudi that runs out of aiptasia. I would also suspect that it may be like looking for a needle in a haystack. Unless you can happen on a dino being vigorously attacked in a sample, it would be very hard to find the right organism. Even a 100 Gal tank would be like looking at a 40,000 gal tank when using a 400x magnification. Dennis
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Yes, I can see the protist but in small quantities.
Throwing the skimmate back to the tank does not return any noticeable phosphate. I has mainly Ca and Mg precipitates and many many bacterial strains besides nematodes and other small critters. |
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That is great! Now you just need to wait to see if your tank stays in balance with the protist keeping the dinos in check long term. Are you still dumping skimmate back into your tank or have you ceased after the dinos were dealt with?
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No. I just dumped the skimmate twice.
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Ok, 1 other question that was asked, but I am not sure if it was answered, do you know if the 2Kgs live of live rock you added was fresh or cured?
My tank does not have an issue with dinos, but I know that it is a real problem for a lot of people with complete teardowns often being the end result. So people in the future battling dinos, this *may* be an avenue that you wish to explore (adding a small bit of live rock). If you go this route, the re-addition of aged skimmate to the tank may also be part of the technique that is required for sucess (or it may just speed up what would have transpired eventually). Please if you do try this, please update this thread with your results so that we can collect feedback if this works in a repeatable fashion. I would suspect that not all added live rock will have the needed biological controls, especially if it has been hanging around in a LFS for how knows long. So the more reports of sucess or no effect that we can get, the better. Good luck. Dennis
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It was fresh live rock, 2 kgs of just arrived rock from Indonesia, wet with no water.
The skimmate was teeming with live, specially bacteria (spiros and cocos) ciliates and many nematodes. |
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ok so listen.... I JUST beat this stuff..... I've been having issues with it for a 3 months in my 200 gallon, i tore down my 90 gallon because of it in the past... i've done black out, no water changes, THE BEST HUSBANDRY, Hydrogen peroxide, etc..... I know i had dino because I confirmed it with a microscope.
a sure way that finally worked for me was this: I cleaned out as much as i could as possible everyday... didn't do a water change for a month... then one day i completely cleaned the tank the best i could with turkey basting, netting, etc. i cut the lights and covered my sps tank for 5 solid days. and i dosed FAUNA MARIN ULTRA ALGAE X EXCACTLY... i'm going to say EXACTLY one more time, as the manual describes. after 5 days all the algae was either gone or dead white. i kept dosing ultra algae x for a week after this stuff. it hasn't come back yet but i haven't done a water change either so you never know. i may still be in the boat. but there's literally no signs of it... i dosed after there were no signs as well. i just stopped 4 days ago. so the tank has been clean for 2 weeks |
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What kind of dinoflagellate did you have? There are many kinds, I know it works in some cases but I tried two months ago to get rid of my ostreopsis problem with no results at all. This product only works with some kind of dinos, the same thing as Dinoxal. |
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How long ago was this?
Lights out really works. For awhile. I still contend they go away after some time.
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