Reef Central Online Community

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community > General Interest Forums > Lighting, Filtration & Other Equipment
Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

Notices

User Tag List

Reply
Thread Tools
Unread 02/23/2018, 09:54 AM   #1276
mic209
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Arroyo Grande, CA
Posts: 1,338
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilchris View Post
I'm having issues getting a steady bubble count. I will get a bubble then a few seconds later 2 bubbles , then no bubbles for a few seconds and the cycle continues like that. I have my gauges set at 10 psi. I have a swagelok metering valve. Not sure which is bad, the metering valve or the regulator.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
Have you tried turning the PSI up? Maybe 10 is too low for the check valve.


mic209 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 02/23/2018, 09:58 AM   #1277
solitude127
Proud user of IO Salt!
 
solitude127's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Torrance, CA
Posts: 9,136
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilchris View Post
I'm having issues getting a steady bubble count. I will get a bubble then a few seconds later 2 bubbles , then no bubbles for a few seconds and the cycle continues like that. I have my gauges set at 10 psi. I have a swagelok metering valve. Not sure which is bad, the metering valve or the regulator.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
If you have a check valve, it might be going bad and as stated above, maybe the PSI is too low for that specific check valve.


__________________
Mike
<*)))>{ <*)))>{ <*)))>{ <*)))>{

ReefKeeping.com TOTM Nov 2012
Socalireefs Featured Reef Oct 2011

Current Tank Info: 60*30*20, 8x54 ATI Powermodule, ReefBrite XHO, ATB Elegance 200, Aquamaxx CTech CaRx, Ecotech Vortechs, Apex Controls, WM Ecobak powered. RedSea Reefer 170, MP10, Apex Jr, Ecotech Radion XR15, Aquamaxx WS-1
solitude127 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 02/23/2018, 11:53 AM   #1278
lilchris
Premium Member
 
lilchris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Arizona
Posts: 984
Should I see a bubble in the counter chamber as soon as the metering valve open? I notice it takes a few seconds for the CO2 to get to the chamber.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk


lilchris is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 02/23/2018, 01:44 PM   #1279
solitude127
Proud user of IO Salt!
 
solitude127's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Torrance, CA
Posts: 9,136
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilchris View Post
Should I see a bubble in the counter chamber as soon as the metering valve open? I notice it takes a few seconds for the CO2 to get to the chamber.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
It depends in what the PSI breaking point of your check valve is, assuming you have one.

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk


__________________
Mike
<*)))>{ <*)))>{ <*)))>{ <*)))>{

ReefKeeping.com TOTM Nov 2012
Socalireefs Featured Reef Oct 2011

Current Tank Info: 60*30*20, 8x54 ATI Powermodule, ReefBrite XHO, ATB Elegance 200, Aquamaxx CTech CaRx, Ecotech Vortechs, Apex Controls, WM Ecobak powered. RedSea Reefer 170, MP10, Apex Jr, Ecotech Radion XR15, Aquamaxx WS-1
solitude127 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 02/28/2018, 09:41 PM   #1280
alanle
Registered Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 307
Anyone using painball tank? I just built this one.






Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


alanle is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/01/2018, 06:06 AM   #1281
salty joe
Registered Member
 
salty joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: medina, ohio
Posts: 2,419
That's a handsome unit-I especially like the sky high shot. (:
Is the regulator two stage?


__________________
Time to roll the dice.
salty joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/01/2018, 10:33 AM   #1282
solitude127
Proud user of IO Salt!
 
solitude127's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Torrance, CA
Posts: 9,136
I never thought about using a paintball tank. How big is it and how long do you think it would last?


__________________
Mike
<*)))>{ <*)))>{ <*)))>{ <*)))>{

ReefKeeping.com TOTM Nov 2012
Socalireefs Featured Reef Oct 2011

Current Tank Info: 60*30*20, 8x54 ATI Powermodule, ReefBrite XHO, ATB Elegance 200, Aquamaxx CTech CaRx, Ecotech Vortechs, Apex Controls, WM Ecobak powered. RedSea Reefer 170, MP10, Apex Jr, Ecotech Radion XR15, Aquamaxx WS-1
solitude127 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/02/2018, 05:38 PM   #1283
salty joe
Registered Member
 
salty joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: medina, ohio
Posts: 2,419
Is this check valve/bubble counter any good?

https://www.amazon.com/Metal-Bubble-...bubble+counter


__________________
Time to roll the dice.
salty joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/08/2018, 11:16 AM   #1284
salty joe
Registered Member
 
salty joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: medina, ohio
Posts: 2,419
I just wanted to give this a bump to ask again if the check valve/bubble counter in the previous post is any good.
If you guys in the know could please take a look and let me know, I'd appreciate it.

The check valve is the last part I need.


__________________
Time to roll the dice.
salty joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/08/2018, 02:30 PM   #1285
LQT
Registered Member
 
LQT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fairfield, CT
Posts: 1,516
That Ista bubble counter is the one most commonly used. However, they should be swapped out every year IMO as I don’t trust the quality of it’s internal check valve. I’m not a fan of those and would rather use the bubble counter on my CaRx. Having that bubble counter fluid fluid that close to my expensive needle valve makes me nervous. Intead, I rely on the CaRx bubble counter and attach one of these, more reliable CO2 check valves inline.

https://www.marinedepot.com/Dennerle...COCACV-vi.html


__________________
- Leon (aka - Water Dog)

Deep Blue 57 Edge ATI Acro Garden Build Thread
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=25573384#post25573384

Current Tank Info: DeepBlue 57 Edge
LQT is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/08/2018, 03:31 PM   #1286
salty joe
Registered Member
 
salty joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: medina, ohio
Posts: 2,419
Thanks a ton!


__________________
Time to roll the dice.
salty joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/11/2018, 06:21 PM   #1287
salty joe
Registered Member
 
salty joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: medina, ohio
Posts: 2,419
Does the direction of flow matter with the Burkett 6011 solenoid? I couldn't find an arrow on the solenoid or any info regarding flow direction on this thread.


__________________
Time to roll the dice.
salty joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/11/2018, 07:28 PM   #1288
LQT
Registered Member
 
LQT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fairfield, CT
Posts: 1,516
Quote:
Originally Posted by salty joe View Post
Does the direction of flow matter with the Burkett 6011 solenoid? I couldn't find an arrow on the solenoid or any info regarding flow direction on this thread.
On the Burkert 6011 solenoid valve, “P” is the inlet and “A” is the outlet. See post #1 in the beginning of this thread where Alan goes over the assembly of parts.


__________________
- Leon (aka - Water Dog)

Deep Blue 57 Edge ATI Acro Garden Build Thread
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=25573384#post25573384

Current Tank Info: DeepBlue 57 Edge
LQT is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/11/2018, 07:30 PM   #1289
alanle
Registered Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 307
Quote:
Originally Posted by salty joe View Post
That's a handsome unit-I especially like the sky high shot. (:

Is the regulator two stage?


It’s a single stage mini reg. It was designed for kegerator.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


alanle is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/11/2018, 07:31 PM   #1290
alanle
Registered Member
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 307
Quote:
Originally Posted by solitude127 View Post
I never thought about using a paintball tank. How big is it and how long do you think it would last?


It can last 2-3 months on a 20ish gallons.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk


alanle is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/12/2018, 04:53 AM   #1291
salty joe
Registered Member
 
salty joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: medina, ohio
Posts: 2,419
Thanks again, LQT. I did search Burkett on this thread, but that first post didn't come up...really appreciate the help.

alanle, outstanding thread to build a first class regulator. Thank you!


__________________
Time to roll the dice.
salty joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/17/2018, 12:46 PM   #1292
salty joe
Registered Member
 
salty joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: medina, ohio
Posts: 2,419
The little 'weatherhead' on my Burkert solenoid says, "0-250V AC/DC" which seems odd, seems like it should be either AC or DC. IDK. Anyway the cord has three wires- red, black and green. It was sold as AC. I need to connect a plug to the cord. Green is ground but I'm not sure about the black and red wires. Any help to sort this out would be much appreciated.

I couldn't find the answer when I searched this thread, hoping someone can help.


__________________
Time to roll the dice.
salty joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/18/2018, 04:04 PM   #1293
LQT
Registered Member
 
LQT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fairfield, CT
Posts: 1,516
Black is always negative and red is always positive.


__________________
- Leon (aka - Water Dog)

Deep Blue 57 Edge ATI Acro Garden Build Thread
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=25573384#post25573384

Current Tank Info: DeepBlue 57 Edge
LQT is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/18/2018, 08:07 PM   #1294
salty joe
Registered Member
 
salty joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: medina, ohio
Posts: 2,419
Yeah with DC, but what throws me is this is supposed to be an AC solenoid. It has a ground wire and everything I've goofed with that was DC only had a red positive wire and a black negative wire-just those two.
With AC, the black is hot with a white neutral and green ground. So the three wire setup makes me believe it is an AC solenoid. If that's the case, maybe it doesn't matter how the black and red wires are connected to hot and neutral.


__________________
Time to roll the dice.
salty joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/19/2018, 01:34 PM   #1295
huseMN
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by lilchris View Post
I'm having issues getting a steady bubble count. I will get a bubble then a few seconds later 2 bubbles , then no bubbles for a few seconds and the cycle continues like that. I have my gauges set at 10 psi. I have a swagelok metering valve. Not sure which is bad, the metering valve or the regulator.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
I am having this same issue with sporadic bubble counts. I also have mine setup via my apex and programmed to turn the solenoid off when it reaches 7.1PH however even when the outlet is off bubbles still occasional get into the reactor and usually pushes the PH .1 lower than the Apex setpoint. Is this normal?


huseMN is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/19/2018, 03:18 PM   #1296
solitude127
Proud user of IO Salt!
 
solitude127's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Torrance, CA
Posts: 9,136
Quote:
Originally Posted by huseMN View Post
I am having this same issue with sporadic bubble counts. I also have mine setup via my apex and programmed to turn the solenoid off when it reaches 7.1PH however even when the outlet is off bubbles still occasional get into the reactor and usually pushes the PH .1 lower than the Apex setpoint. Is this normal?
Do you have a check valve on your CO2 line? If so, how old is it? Inconsistent bubbles may be due to a faulty check valve.


__________________
Mike
<*)))>{ <*)))>{ <*)))>{ <*)))>{

ReefKeeping.com TOTM Nov 2012
Socalireefs Featured Reef Oct 2011

Current Tank Info: 60*30*20, 8x54 ATI Powermodule, ReefBrite XHO, ATB Elegance 200, Aquamaxx CTech CaRx, Ecotech Vortechs, Apex Controls, WM Ecobak powered. RedSea Reefer 170, MP10, Apex Jr, Ecotech Radion XR15, Aquamaxx WS-1
solitude127 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/19/2018, 04:25 PM   #1297
huseMN
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by solitude127 View Post
Do you have a check valve on your CO2 line? If so, how old is it? Inconsistent bubbles may be due to a faulty check valve.
Yes, I do have a check valve, the one that came with my GEO 624 Calcium reactor, 3 months old.

Shall I assume that if the check valve is working and the Burket Solenoid is working properly and in the off state that there should be no CO2 Gas entering the reactor?


huseMN is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/20/2018, 08:07 AM   #1298
solitude127
Proud user of IO Salt!
 
solitude127's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Torrance, CA
Posts: 9,136
Quote:
Originally Posted by huseMN View Post
Yes, I do have a check valve, the one that came with my GEO 624 Calcium reactor, 3 months old.

Shall I assume that if the check valve is working and the Burket Solenoid is working properly and in the off state that there should be no CO2 Gas entering the reactor?
What's the output pressure of your regulator? Also, what the breaking point of your check valve? If the output pressure of the regulator is close to the breaking point of the check valve, then you might get inconsistent bubbles as well.

When the solenoid closes, there is still gas in the line and still entering the reactor. For my Burkert, after the solenoid turns off, the bubble slow drastically and in about 15 - 20 seconds no bubbles at all.


__________________
Mike
<*)))>{ <*)))>{ <*)))>{ <*)))>{

ReefKeeping.com TOTM Nov 2012
Socalireefs Featured Reef Oct 2011

Current Tank Info: 60*30*20, 8x54 ATI Powermodule, ReefBrite XHO, ATB Elegance 200, Aquamaxx CTech CaRx, Ecotech Vortechs, Apex Controls, WM Ecobak powered. RedSea Reefer 170, MP10, Apex Jr, Ecotech Radion XR15, Aquamaxx WS-1
solitude127 is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/20/2018, 04:20 PM   #1299
huseMN
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 73
Quote:
Originally Posted by solitude127 View Post
What's the output pressure of your regulator? Also, what the breaking point of your check valve? If the output pressure of the regulator is close to the breaking point of the check valve, then you might get inconsistent bubbles as well.

When the solenoid closes, there is still gas in the line and still entering the reactor. For my Burkert, after the solenoid turns off, the bubble slow drastically and in about 15 - 20 seconds no bubbles at all.
Good to know, what should the output of the regulator be, I think I am at 50PSI right now. Out of town so can't confirm. Is that too high?


huseMN is offline   Reply With Quote
Unread 03/21/2018, 06:28 AM   #1300
salty joe
Registered Member
 
salty joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: medina, ohio
Posts: 2,419
Quote:
Originally Posted by LQT View Post
Black is always negative and red is always positive.
I just talked to the people at Burkert and sure enough, it's a DC solenoid-it takes 24V. They said the ground doesn't need to be connected. I've yet to see a wall wart with a ground...Why the 'weatherhead' on the solenoid says 0-250V AC/DC is beyond me. I must admit the label on the weatherhead did say 24V DC but had some crud on it and was hard to read after I cleaned it...

This was sold as an AC solenoid. I sure am glad the person who ruined their solenoid posted and I found it when I searched the thread. Hooking this up to AC would be such an easy mistake to make.

Thanks all.


__________________
Time to roll the dice.
salty joe is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2024 Axivo Inc.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef CentralTM Reef Central, LLC. Copyright ©1999-2022
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.