Salt water TURTLE for a reef tank?

RV7AFlyer · 02/23/2009, 12:56 AM

Does anyone have a salt water turtle in their ref tank? Does anyone know where you could buy one? Is it legal to keep one? Would they eat the coral? I never thought of having a turtle in a tank until my daughter Ariel asked me today if we could get one.

jbird69 · 02/23/2009, 01:07 AM

Okay,, judging from your hobby experience on your profile, I'm calling this a troll.

TellyFish · 02/23/2009, 01:21 AM

No...

(there are so many reasons that applies, pretty much the answer to all of those questions)

Not something a casual hobbyist can pull off due to legality, size, etc... I am sure someone can chime in with more details.

RV7AFlyer · 02/23/2009, 01:23 AM

Seems crazy but I don't think I have ever even thought about having a Turtle in a reef tank. I have had salt tanks since 1982 and dive around Turtles in Maui every year but until my daughter mentioned it I don't think I have ever thought about it.

dwd5813 · 02/23/2009, 01:31 AM

this is pretty much the only question you asked that matters.

Quote:

Originally posted by RV7AFlyer
Is it legal to keep one?

the answer,

1. All eight species of sea turtles are listed as threatened or endangered on the U.S. Endangered and Threatened Wildlife and Plants List. It is illegal to harm, or in any way interfere with , a sea turtle or its eggs.

2. The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) is an international treaty developed in 1973 to regulate trade in certain wildlife species. CITES protects all species of sea turtles. The U.S. and 115 other countries have banned the import or export of sea turtle products. http://www.seaworld.org/infobooks/Se.../stconser.html

precludes the necessity of asking any others.

further reading:
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/species/turtles/

BuddhaKiss · 02/23/2009, 01:36 AM

Here ya go....and it requires no feeding!!

http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/3369/product.web

dwd5813 · 02/23/2009, 01:38 AM

DGee · 02/23/2009, 01:42 AM

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RV7AFlyer · 02/24/2009, 01:36 AM

DANG IT!......... I guess I can't get one.

ludnix · 02/24/2009, 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RV7AFlyer
DANG IT!......... I guess I can't get one.

Even if you could would you be really willing to go through the work of setting up a huge tank for one?

Whys · 02/24/2009, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BuddhaKiss
Here ya go....and it requires no feeding!!

http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/3369/product.web

Know where I could get a breeding pair?

Whys · 02/24/2009, 06:52 AM

More seriously...

Is there a reason it has to be saltwater? There are a lot of small fresh water turtles available.

Juruense · 02/24/2009, 07:42 AM

No turtle makes a good pet including fresh water ones. They are very long lived animals and require advanced care and feeding. Reptiles and amphibians make poor pets and require an extreme commitment for decades in some cases. Do not attempt to keep reptiles and amphibians as pets.

Akronviper · 02/24/2009, 08:19 AM

Daughter Areial? Like the little mermaid? Her tank should be big enough but I dont think Flounder likes turtles.

Whys · 02/24/2009, 08:29 AM

I would say this is great oppertunity for your daughter to learn that in life one doesn't always get what they want.

How'bout a pair of these? She can take them with her everywhere.

http://www.crazyforbargains.com/seatuanslfor.html

chimmike · 02/24/2009, 08:56 AM

I'm calling this one a troll too. It's far too comical a question to be serious.

hoosierpat · 02/24/2009, 09:22 AM

Juruense -- Seriously?! Hard pets to keep and you're on a reef aquarium forum? I think all the little kids who have no problem keeping their bearded dragons, leopard geckos, ball pythons, russian tortoises, and the myriad of other very simple reptiles to keep would argue with you. Last time I checked, most saltwater fish live decades, some snails live over a hundred years, and corals really have no definable lifespan so it doesn't seem like a reptile is such a daunting task in light of that.

GSMguy · 02/24/2009, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosierpat
Juruense -- Seriously?! Hard pets to keep and you're on a reef aquarium forum? I think all the little kids who have no problem keeping their bearded dragons, leopard geckos, ball pythons, russian tortoises, and the myriad of other very simple reptiles to keep would argue with you. Last time I checked, most saltwater fish live decades, some snails live over a hundred years, and corals really have no definable lifespan so it doesn't seem like a reptile is such a daunting task in light of that.

Your kidding right? Very funny.

RV7AFlyer · 02/24/2009, 10:12 AM

I was thinking of a baby Sea Turtle......... 3"- 6" and when it got too big I could let it go in the ocean. I don't think they have to learn to hunt for food from their mom. I think the little guy would survive. I am about 1/2 done aquiring everything to set up another tank: 470 gallon 84"x 36"x 36" with a 300 gallon sump. I wasn't planning on keeping the turtle until it could pull me around under water.

NCNBilly · 02/24/2009, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RV7AFlyer
I was thinking of a baby Sea Turtle......... 3"- 6" and when it got too big I could let it go in the ocean. I don't think they have to learn to hunt for food from their mom. I think the little guy would survive. I am about 1/2 done aquiring everything to set up another tank: 470 gallon 84"x 36"x 36" with a 300 gallon sump. I wasn't planning on keeping the turtle until it could pull me around under water.

Still illegal...

Sea Polar · 02/24/2009, 10:18 AM

I'm thinking just one turtle poop is enough to crash, crash, crash. Have you ever seen or smelled turtle poop? Ewww lol.

GSMguy · 02/24/2009, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RV7AFlyer
I was thinking of a baby Sea Turtle......... 3"- 6" and when it got too big I could let it go in the ocean. I don't think they have to learn to hunt for food from their mom. I think the little guy would survive. I am about 1/2 done aquiring everything to set up another tank: 470 gallon 84"x 36"x 36" with a 300 gallon sump. I wasn't planning on keeping the turtle until it could pull me around under water.

Fail!

Juruense · 02/24/2009, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hoosierpat
Juruense -- Seriously?! Hard pets to keep and you're on a reef aquarium forum? I think all the little kids who have no problem keeping their bearded dragons, leopard geckos, ball pythons, russian tortoises, and the myriad of other very simple reptiles to keep would argue with you. Last time I checked, most saltwater fish live decades, some snails live over a hundred years, and corals really have no definable lifespan so it doesn't seem like a reptile is such a daunting task in light of that.

No I was not kidding, I was totally serious. I do not support keeping any reptile or amphibian as a pet. I have learned this the hard way, you do what you have to do. When you have a turtle that you decide to keep as a whim and you are looking at having to take care of it for another 20-40 or even 60 years get back to me... Its a serious long term commitment.

jbird69 · 02/24/2009, 10:57 AM

The sea turtle is a horrible idea. Youd probably have to buy it on the black market. and when it got too big your going to release it? where on the oregon coast? Or fly it to the tropics in your checked baggage? The issue is not if it can find food in the wild after captivity, its can it identify a predator. and how will it cope with 20' seas. It will be doomed from the day you aquire it. Sorry for the negativity, but I think you need to be talked out of the idea.

as for reptiles being poor choices for pets. I wholeheartedly disagree. There are snakes lizards and turtles that are not good in captivity, but there are many that definitly make great pets. I have had 100s of snakes, mostly constrictors and they make fantastic pets. In fact, I have always believed that a red tail boa is in the top 2 perfect pets to own...a close second to a good dog.

pjewett · 02/24/2009, 11:14 AM

What is the concensus definition of a TROLL?

02/23/2009, 12:56 AM	#1
RV7AFlyer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gresham OR Posts: 57	Salt water TURTLE for a reef tank? Does anyone have a salt water turtle in their ref tank? Does anyone know where you could buy one? Is it legal to keep one? Would they eat the coral? I never thought of having a turtle in a tank until my daughter Ariel asked me today if we could get one.

02/23/2009, 01:07 AM	#2
jbird69 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The beautiful State of Jefferson Posts: 2,751	Okay,, judging from your hobby experience on your profile, I'm calling this a troll. __________________ Broke Back Mountain is not a movie, its the pile of dead ninjas in Chuck Norris' back yard

02/23/2009, 01:21 AM	#3
TellyFish Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago 60607 Posts: 1,130	No... (there are so many reasons that applies, pretty much the answer to all of those questions) Not something a casual hobbyist can pull off due to legality, size, etc... I am sure someone can chime in with more details. __________________ ...and life spirals into astonishing diversity. Current Tank Info: Hawaiian inspired 109g Miracles Rimless - 100g Prop Tank - 300g total system volume

02/23/2009, 01:38 AM	#7
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02/24/2009, 01:36 AM	#9
RV7AFlyer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gresham OR Posts: 57	Turtles in a REEF TANK. DANG IT!......... I guess I can't get one.

02/23/2009, 01:23 AM	#4
RV7AFlyer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gresham OR Posts: 57	Seems crazy but I don't think I have ever even thought about having a Turtle in a reef tank. I have had salt tanks since 1982 and dive around Turtles in Maui every year but until my daughter mentioned it I don't think I have ever thought about it.

02/23/2009, 01:36 AM	#6
BuddhaKiss Registered Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Northern Va Posts: 1,068	Here ya go....and it requires no feeding!! http://www.thatpetplace.com/pet/group/3369/product.web

02/23/2009, 01:42 AM	#8
DGee Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 271	...

02/24/2009, 06:52 AM	#12
Whys Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,263	More seriously... Is there a reason it has to be saltwater? There are a lot of small fresh water turtles available.

02/24/2009, 07:42 AM	#13
Juruense Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Posts: 1,138	No turtle makes a good pet including fresh water ones. They are very long lived animals and require advanced care and feeding. Reptiles and amphibians make poor pets and require an extreme commitment for decades in some cases. Do not attempt to keep reptiles and amphibians as pets.

02/24/2009, 08:19 AM	#14
Akronviper Registered Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Akron, Oh Posts: 398	Daughter Areial? Like the little mermaid? Her tank should be big enough but I dont think Flounder likes turtles. __________________ Barry Never argue with and idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience... Current Tank Info: 75 Gal AGA RR w/4x54 watt T-5 Retro, Icecap 660, Euro-Reef RS80, AC Jr, 29 Gal Basment sump/ 20 gal ref

02/24/2009, 08:29 AM	#15
Whys Moved On Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 3,263	I would say this is great oppertunity for your daughter to learn that in life one doesn't always get what they want. How'bout a pair of these? She can take them with her everywhere. http://www.crazyforbargains.com/seatuanslfor.html

02/24/2009, 08:56 AM	#16
chimmike oxygen abuser Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Parrish, FL Posts: 5,089 Blog Entries: 2	I'm calling this one a troll too. It's far too comical a question to be serious. __________________ -Mike Tankless wonder Geaux Noles!

02/24/2009, 09:22 AM	#17
hoosierpat Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Crete, IL Posts: 862	Juruense -- Seriously?! Hard pets to keep and you're on a reef aquarium forum? I think all the little kids who have no problem keeping their bearded dragons, leopard geckos, ball pythons, russian tortoises, and the myriad of other very simple reptiles to keep would argue with you. Last time I checked, most saltwater fish live decades, some snails live over a hundred years, and corals really have no definable lifespan so it doesn't seem like a reptile is such a daunting task in light of that.

02/24/2009, 10:12 AM	#19
RV7AFlyer Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Gresham OR Posts: 57	Ludnix.......... I was thinking of a baby Sea Turtle......... 3"- 6" and when it got too big I could let it go in the ocean. I don't think they have to learn to hunt for food from their mom. I think the little guy would survive. I am about 1/2 done aquiring everything to set up another tank: 470 gallon 84"x 36"x 36" with a 300 gallon sump. I wasn't planning on keeping the turtle until it could pull me around under water.

02/24/2009, 10:18 AM	#21
Sea Polar Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Clearwater, Florida Posts: 88	I'm thinking just one turtle poop is enough to crash, crash, crash. Have you ever seen or smelled turtle poop? Ewww lol.

02/24/2009, 10:57 AM	#24
jbird69 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: The beautiful State of Jefferson Posts: 2,751	The sea turtle is a horrible idea. Youd probably have to buy it on the black market. and when it got too big your going to release it? where on the oregon coast? Or fly it to the tropics in your checked baggage? The issue is not if it can find food in the wild after captivity, its can it identify a predator. and how will it cope with 20' seas. It will be doomed from the day you aquire it. Sorry for the negativity, but I think you need to be talked out of the idea. as for reptiles being poor choices for pets. I wholeheartedly disagree. There are snakes lizards and turtles that are not good in captivity, but there are many that definitly make great pets. I have had 100s of snakes, mostly constrictors and they make fantastic pets. In fact, I have always believed that a red tail boa is in the top 2 perfect pets to own...a close second to a good dog. __________________ Broke Back Mountain is not a movie, its the pile of dead ninjas in Chuck Norris' back yard

02/24/2009, 11:14 AM	#25
pjewett aquariablog Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Long Island-NY Posts: 383	What is the concensus definition of a TROLL? __________________ You can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which gets filled 1st! - Burgess Meredith Current Tank Info: 90 gal DT w/sump, Apex, LED's, Vortec MP40