Help. What wrong with my Royal Gramma

afish70 · 09/20/2017, 04:56 PM

What is wrong with her?? She usually chills in the rock but is out in open now. She just doesn't look right. I know the pics aren't the best but can someone tell me if she has something. I do not want to lose anything in my tank.

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billdogg · 09/20/2017, 05:27 PM

That is a VERY sick fish. Probably Ich, but could also be Brooklynella or Marine Velvet. In any case - ALL fish in your DT MUST be removed and treated in a proper Hospital Tank. There are exactly ZERO reef safe medications that will actually work. Any that claim they are reef safe are snake oil.

jm.o2

ilyiza · 09/20/2017, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by billdogg

That is a VERY sick fish. Probably Ich, but could also be Brooklynella or Marine Velvet. In any case - ALL fish in your DT MUST be removed and treated in a proper Hospital Tank. There are exactly ZERO reef safe medications that will actually work. Any that claim they are reef safe are snake oil.

jm.o2

Totally agree.

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tjm9331 · 09/21/2017, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by billdogg

That is a VERY sick fish. Probably Ich, but could also be Brooklynella or Marine Velvet. In any case - ALL fish in your DT MUST be removed and treated in a proper Hospital Tank. There are exactly ZERO reef safe medications that will actually work. Any that claim they are reef safe are snake oil.

jm.o2

+1000 Definitely get them out and a treatment started right away. Your tank will have to stay fishless for 72 days.

afish70 · 09/21/2017, 10:37 AM

I caught her last night and she is no longer with us. The rest of the fish look fine. Do I still need to remove them all?

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jd371 · 09/21/2017, 12:25 PM

Yes. Even if they don't show any signs, if one of your fish was sick, pretty much they all are. Treat them in a separate tank while the main tank goes fishless.

billdogg · 09/21/2017, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jd371

Yes. Even if they don't show any signs, if one of your fish was sick, pretty much they all are. Treat them in a separate tank while the main tank goes fishless.

X 1000

If one is, they all are. Think a classroom full of kindergartners passing whatever bug around.

Khammer · 09/21/2017, 11:57 PM

Agreed... set-up another tank and run main tank fishless for awhile until they get over the bug

ReeferNoob4ever · 09/22/2017, 02:34 PM

Well except the kids with really good immune systems don't get sick, can the same be said for fish?

Kremis · 09/22/2017, 04:20 PM

i personally dont QT - no space. tank does have ich and has had it for 4 years. every once in a while small "outbreaks' happen due to adding a new fish or another stressful event occuring, but generally the fish are ok. I havent seen any signs of ich in over a year. point is, it is possible to run the tank with ich present. is it the best option? probably not, but it is certainly possible. just my thoughts, being that I have done it for over 4 years.

no need to bash me for thinking that, i understand your guys points of view too

AnnaCassandra · 09/22/2017, 05:13 PM

I don't run a QT because of Ich, I QT because I had brooklynella wipe out $600 worth of fish in 3 days. It was heartbreaking, not just because of the cost but to watch my fish rapidly deteriorate and not be able to save them was terrible. I got them all into a QT soon after the first one died but it wasn't soon enough and I lost all but 2. I had waited because the LFS advised a "wait and see" approach and I wish I hadn't listened, I get why they suggested it they didn't want me to do something drastic if it was just an ordinary fish death but I had a feeling and I should have listened to it.

Ich is not the worst thing that can happen to your tank, it's just the most common. It's totally your call if you want to risk the loss, and I can see how in smaller systems the hassle of operating a qt is likely worth accepting the risk. So I'm not bashing you for your choices. I just would be careful suggesting others do the same as you.

As for the OP, how long have you had this fish? Any other recent additions? From what I've read regarding ich is that fish death is usually due to subsequent outbreaks that build up and eventually overwhelm the fish- a quick death like this leads me to believe that this is likely velvet not ich. I would get the rest of the fish out and into treatment ASAP. Even if none of them are showing any symptoms, velvet is a quick killer and often by the time symptoms are noticeable you have little chance of saving your fish.

monkeysee1 · 09/23/2017, 03:13 PM

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That is a VERY sick fish. Probably Ich, but could also be Brooklynella or Marine Velvet.

Or flukes. If you see it putting out stringy poop, then my house is on it.
If that is the case, get some Prazi Pro, follow directions and start treating.
Yes, you CAN use it in your DT.

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If one is, they all are. Think a classroom full of kindergartners passing whatever bug around.

+10000
Assume ALL of the fish are infected.
If it IS ich, put in a quarantine tank and start HYPO.

shaginwagon13 · 09/23/2017, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jd371

Yes. Even if they don't show any signs, if one of your fish was sick, pretty much they all are. Treat them in a separate tank while the main tank goes fishless.

+1 to this.

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shaginwagon13 · 09/23/2017, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kremis

i personally dont QT - no space. tank does have ich and has had it for 4 years. every once in a while small "outbreaks' happen due to adding a new fish or another stressful event occuring, but generally the fish are ok. I havent seen any signs of ich in over a year. point is, it is possible to run the tank with ich present. is it the best option? probably not, but it is certainly possible. just my thoughts, being that I have done it for over 4 years.

no need to bash me for thinking that, i understand your guys points of view too

I mean it's not bashing you, but personally just because you can run a tank where all the fish have ice, doesn't mean it's in the best interest of the fish or your system. Just my .02 cents.

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reef cuber · 09/25/2017, 12:20 PM

I got it once in my main tank, removed all my fish, let the main tank sit over 3 months before putting any more fish in it. I now QT my fish for 2 months before putting in the main tank. It's just so much better to have the patience to let things rest then to battle that crap and risk the fishes lives.

afish70 · 09/25/2017, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by reef cuber

I got it once in my main tank, removed all my fish, let the main tank sit over 3 months before putting any more fish in it. I now QT my fish for 2 months before putting in the main tank. It's just so much better to have the patience to let things rest then to battle that crap and risk the fishes lives.

Do you medicate during your (2) month QT?

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09/20/2017, 04:56 PM	#1
afish70 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tampa Posts: 688	Help. What wrong with my Royal Gramma What is wrong with her?? She usually chills in the rock but is out in open now. She just doesn't look right. I know the pics aren't the best but can someone tell me if she has something. I do not want to lose anything in my tank. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09/20/2017, 05:27 PM	#2
billdogg Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grove City, Ohio Posts: 10,806	That is a VERY sick fish. Probably Ich, but could also be Brooklynella or Marine Velvet. In any case - ALL fish in your DT MUST be removed and treated in a proper Hospital Tank. There are exactly ZERO reef safe medications that will actually work. Any that claim they are reef safe are snake oil. jm.o2 __________________ I'll try to be nice if you try to be smarter! I can't help that I grow older, but you can't make me grow up! Current Tank Info: 120 mixed reef with 40b sump, RO 150 skimmer, AI Sol Blue x 2, and a 60g Frag Tank with 100g rubbermaid sump. 2 x Kessil A360w lights, BM curve 5 skimmer

09/22/2017, 02:34 PM	#9
ReeferNoob4ever Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: NM Posts: 523	Well except the kids with really good immune systems don't get sick, can the same be said for fish? __________________ Get a life! Current Tank Info: 20gL mixed reef, 10g mixed reef w/nem & clown, 5g NPS & harlequin Last edited by ReeferNoob4ever; 09/22/2017 at 02:45 PM.

09/21/2017, 10:37 AM	#5
afish70 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tampa Posts: 688	I caught her last night and she is no longer with us. The rest of the fish look fine. Do I still need to remove them all? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

09/21/2017, 12:25 PM	#6
jd371 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Long Island Posts: 615	Yes. Even if they don't show any signs, if one of your fish was sick, pretty much they all are. Treat them in a separate tank while the main tank goes fishless.

09/21/2017, 11:57 PM	#8
Khammer Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 12	Agreed... set-up another tank and run main tank fishless for awhile until they get over the bug

09/22/2017, 04:20 PM	#10
Kremis Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Posts: 799	i personally dont QT - no space. tank does have ich and has had it for 4 years. every once in a while small "outbreaks' happen due to adding a new fish or another stressful event occuring, but generally the fish are ok. I havent seen any signs of ich in over a year. point is, it is possible to run the tank with ich present. is it the best option? probably not, but it is certainly possible. just my thoughts, being that I have done it for over 4 years. no need to bash me for thinking that, i understand your guys points of view too

09/22/2017, 05:13 PM	#11
AnnaCassandra Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: Edmonton, Alberta Posts: 100	I don't run a QT because of Ich, I QT because I had brooklynella wipe out $600 worth of fish in 3 days. It was heartbreaking, not just because of the cost but to watch my fish rapidly deteriorate and not be able to save them was terrible. I got them all into a QT soon after the first one died but it wasn't soon enough and I lost all but 2. I had waited because the LFS advised a "wait and see" approach and I wish I hadn't listened, I get why they suggested it they didn't want me to do something drastic if it was just an ordinary fish death but I had a feeling and I should have listened to it. Ich is not the worst thing that can happen to your tank, it's just the most common. It's totally your call if you want to risk the loss, and I can see how in smaller systems the hassle of operating a qt is likely worth accepting the risk. So I'm not bashing you for your choices. I just would be careful suggesting others do the same as you. As for the OP, how long have you had this fish? Any other recent additions? From what I've read regarding ich is that fish death is usually due to subsequent outbreaks that build up and eventually overwhelm the fish- a quick death like this leads me to believe that this is likely velvet not ich. I would get the rest of the fish out and into treatment ASAP. Even if none of them are showing any symptoms, velvet is a quick killer and often by the time symptoms are noticeable you have little chance of saving your fish.

09/25/2017, 12:20 PM	#15
reef cuber Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 100	I got it once in my main tank, removed all my fish, let the main tank sit over 3 months before putting any more fish in it. I now QT my fish for 2 months before putting in the main tank. It's just so much better to have the patience to let things rest then to battle that crap and risk the fishes lives.