Jebao Cross Flow Pump - Page 5

Bent · 11/22/2015, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by chris@CoralVue

Maxspect is a Chinese company.

I know, I was simply making a statement of principle.

mikeatjac · 11/22/2015, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bent

I know, I was simply making a statement of principle.

Brent and Ron I don't think you have a clue on what it takes to run a business. To bring a new product to a niche market you have R&D, promotional cost, admin costs, manufacturing costs, regulations, warranties, pricing agreements and on and on. Maybe Ron they can't reduce their cost to $125.00. Brent the most efficient manufacturing is always going to get the job.

There is a marketing rule, be careful to intodruce a new product, the second guy will copy you and win.

When some says that LFS mark items up to high, that is the most stupid statement of all! Do you know what it cost to run a LFS or for that matter any retail store and make it work?

Capitalism is great, if not for it this web site would exist because most of us could not afford a reef tank. If you don't like it you do not have to buy a product. With capitalism we are not standing in line hoping we can buy basic needs.

If you disagree with pricing then you are free not to buy it.

seamonster124 · 11/22/2015, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeatjac

Do you know what it cost to run a LFS or for that matter any retail store and make it work?

That's all I know buddy. That's HOW I know. I own a business that owns retail stores. You make any purchase, a big chunk goes directly into my personal account. Capitalism rules baby

chris@CoralVue · 11/22/2015, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by seamonster124

That's all I know buddy. That's HOW I know. I own a business that owns retail stores. You make any purchase, a big chunk goes directly into my personal account. Capitalism rules baby

What stores?

chris@CoralVue · 11/22/2015, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeatjac

Brent and Ron I don't think you have a clue on what it takes to run a business. To bring a new product to a niche market you have R&D, promotional cost, admin costs, manufacturing costs, regulations, warranties, pricing agreements and on and on. Maybe Ron they can't reduce their cost to $125.00. Brent the most efficient manufacturing is always going to get the job.

There is a marketing rule, be careful to intodruce a new product, the second guy will copy you and win.

When some says that LFS mark items up to high, that is the most stupid statement of all! Do you know what it cost to run a LFS or for that matter any retail store and make it work?

Capitalism is great, if not for it this web site would exist because most of us could not afford a reef tank. If you don't like it you do not have to buy a product. With capitalism we are not standing in line hoping we can buy basic needs.

If you disagree with pricing then you are free not to buy it.

Thank you for the common sense!

mikeatjac · 11/22/2015, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by seamonster124

That's all I know buddy. That's HOW I know. I own a business that owns retail stores. You make any purchase, a big chunk goes directly into my personal account. Capitalism rules baby

I have consulted retail stores for 30 years and you would be the first.

slipknottin · 11/22/2015, 05:22 PM

Do we really need to get in a big argument over business ethics in every jebao thread?

chris@CoralVue · 11/22/2015, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by seamonster124

That's all I know buddy. That's HOW I know. I own a business that owns retail stores. You make any purchase, a big chunk goes directly into my personal account. Capitalism rules baby

I have been selling aquarium products to retail stores for 25 years. I would love the names of these stores.

mikeatjac · 11/22/2015, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by slipknottin

Do we really need to get in a big argument over business ethics in every jebao thread?

I am just clearing the air, some members have said things that make no sense and taken this tread off track.

seamonster124 · 11/22/2015, 05:41 PM

I have no investments in fish stores. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

What I'm saying is when you buy anything from any store, A large percentage of the $ goes to a small percentage of the people involved. That is the definition of capitalism. I assume this rule does not apply to fish stores as they are just bad business. American banks stopped giving out loans to fund pet stores decades ago.

Jebao is doing what Ryobi did roughly 16 years ago. They copied Dewalt so good that Dewalt retailers began making more money from Ryobi than they did from Dewalt. Consumers saved, jobs were created, everyone was happy. To this day Dewalt fanboys are screaming foul.

Dmorty217 · 11/22/2015, 05:53 PM

News flash to everyone, the Chinese don't think twice about stealing products no matter what they are from companies all over the world. Tough to talk about ethics and Chinese in the same sentence. So when is this gyre of theirs suppose to come out?

BoDiddley · 11/22/2015, 06:16 PM

I hope these turn out to be decent I will be standing by for reviews

rgulrich · 11/22/2015, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seamonster124

I have no investments in fish stores. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

What I'm saying is when you buy anything from any store, A large percentage of the $ goes to a small percentage of the people involved. That is the definition of capitalism. I assume this rule does not apply to fish stores as they are just bad business. American banks stopped giving out loans to fund pet stores decades ago.

Jebao is doing what Ryobi did roughly 16 years ago. They copied Dewalt so good that Dewalt retailers began making more money from Ryobi than they did from Dewalt. Consumers saved, jobs were created, everyone was happy. To this day Dewalt fanboys are screaming foul.

I hate to get in the middle of Dewault and Ryobi arguments, that's why I always use a portable Milwaukee with my home-made gyre water-mover:

And it does kick up a storm, too. Just gotta be careful near the fish...

seamonster124 · 11/22/2015, 06:43 PM

Can't see photo

seamonster124 · 11/22/2015, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dmorty217

News flash to everyone, the Chinese don't think twice about stealing products no matter what they are from companies all over the world. Tough to talk about ethics and Chinese in the same sentence. So when is this gyre of theirs suppose to come out?

Don't talk about ethics while insulting Chinese people pls. Humans come in different colors

Newsflash:? 100% of us are typing on Chinese computers

Bent · 11/22/2015, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeatjac

Brent and Ron I don't think you have a clue on what it takes to run a business.

LOL

If you say so Donald T.

Dmorty217 · 11/22/2015, 06:55 PM

No one is insulting anyone. They take intellectual property that isn't theirs all the time. These are facts. Yes you are right my IPhone was made by someone who is locked inside of FoxConn and forced to work 20 hrs a day.

chercm · 11/22/2015, 07:35 PM

cannot wait this one

Adamc1303 · 11/22/2015, 07:47 PM

Subscribed

njreefguy · 11/23/2015, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by chris@CoralVue

Maxspect is a Chinese company.

Is this how you explain the lack of quality going into the gyre.

chris@CoralVue · 11/23/2015, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by njreefguy

Is this how you explain the lack of quality going into the gyre.

Are you having trouble with your Gyre?

njreefguy · 11/23/2015, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by chris@CoralVue

Are you having trouble with your Gyre?

Can't say I even bought one. I like to invest in products that have a track record for longevity. And I tend to stay away from products that are rushed to market especially after seeing the lack of quality put into the build of said item.
When I invest my $300 I like to know that the powerhead I bought will still be going strong after 6 years and not get thrashed by a stray dwarf cerith, or have the wires falling apart under water.

You have a great company there with many great products across many different lines. But IMO Maxspect dropped that ball on this one.

chris@CoralVue · 11/23/2015, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by njreefguy

Can't say I even bought one. I like to invest in products that have a track record for longevity. And I tend to stay away from products that are rushed to market especially after seeing the lack of quality put into the build of said item.
When I invest my $300 I like to know that the powerhead I bought will still be going strong after 6 years and not get thrashed by a stray dwarf cerith, or have the wires falling apart under water.

You have a great company there with many great products across many different lines. But IMO Maxspect dropped that ball on this one.

All of the small glitches with the Gyre have been corrected.

Bent · 11/23/2015, 08:52 AM

Can we get back on topic here before the thread gets closed?

Anyone have more info to offer?

greaps · 11/23/2015, 04:18 PM

Build a wall between USA and China.

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Dmorty217 Saltwater Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Vandalia OHIO Posts: 11,624	News flash to everyone, the Chinese don't think twice about stealing products no matter what they are from companies all over the world. Tough to talk about ethics and Chinese in the same sentence. So when is this gyre of theirs suppose to come out? __________________ Fish are not disposable commodities, but a worthwhile investment that can be maintained and enjoyed for many years, providing one is willing to take the time to understand their requirements and needs Current Tank Info: 625g, 220g sump, RD3 230w, Vectra L1 on a closed loop, 3 MP60s, MP40. Several QTs

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11/22/2015, 06:55 PM	#117
Dmorty217 Saltwater Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Vandalia OHIO Posts: 11,624	No one is insulting anyone. They take intellectual property that isn't theirs all the time. These are facts. Yes you are right my IPhone was made by someone who is locked inside of FoxConn and forced to work 20 hrs a day. __________________ Fish are not disposable commodities, but a worthwhile investment that can be maintained and enjoyed for many years, providing one is willing to take the time to understand their requirements and needs Current Tank Info: 625g, 220g sump, RD3 230w, Vectra L1 on a closed loop, 3 MP60s, MP40. Several QTs

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11/23/2015, 08:52 AM	#124
Bent I got nothin' Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: The anals Posts: 6,420	Can we get back on topic here before the thread gets closed? Anyone have more info to offer? __________________ Quitters never lose. [QUOTE=CStrickland]Who gets mad at a starfish?[/QUOTE] Current Tank Info: 75g DT, 30G refugium, 10g chaeto tank, 50g stock tank basement sump

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slipknottin Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: New Britain, CT, USA Posts: 2,445	Do we really need to get in a big argument over business ethics in every jebao thread?

11/22/2015, 05:41 PM	#110
seamonster124 Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: United States Posts: 900	I have no investments in fish stores. Sorry for the misunderstanding. What I'm saying is when you buy anything from any store, A large percentage of the $ goes to a small percentage of the people involved. That is the definition of capitalism. I assume this rule does not apply to fish stores as they are just bad business. American banks stopped giving out loans to fund pet stores decades ago. Jebao is doing what Ryobi did roughly 16 years ago. They copied Dewalt so good that Dewalt retailers began making more money from Ryobi than they did from Dewalt. Consumers saved, jobs were created, everyone was happy. To this day Dewalt fanboys are screaming foul.

11/22/2015, 06:16 PM	#112
BoDiddley Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MA Posts: 93	I hope these turn out to be decent I will be standing by for reviews

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chercm Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,971	cannot wait this one

11/23/2015, 04:18 PM	#125
greaps Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 500	Build a wall between USA and China. __________________ 50g SCA Aquarium, build in progress.