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08/08/2012, 10:20 AM | #26 |
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So I should realistically have a hospital tank, and a QT tank? I would hate to have to break down everything and bleach it after I medicate for issues.
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08/08/2012, 10:26 AM | #27 |
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That is just my opinion. I would not want to introduce a new healthy fish into a tank that was medicated for a sick fish. In your case, I would have a standby hospital tank just in case.
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08/08/2012, 01:48 PM | #29 |
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Thats excellent thank you!
I'm glad I don't have to make two different tanks at the moment. Luckily with the display tank it has been 4 weeks without any sign of ich on the other fish, but I will continue to watch them. The PB only had one little spec on his fin when I took him out, so I'm hoping the rest will be ok.
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08/15/2012, 07:55 PM | #31 |
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I'm in the process of QT'ing a pair of clowns for my DT. The QT is fully cycled. I'm doing Prazi Pro and Cupramine and then after their time they'll go in my DT. My question is: What do I need to do to prep my QT for the next fish? I'm planning a firefish goby next.
Can I just run some carbon to remove the copper and do a 50% water change before adding the next fish? How long do I need to run the carbon to remove the copper?
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08/15/2012, 11:28 PM | #32 |
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first off i would not mix both meds. do separate weeks. then when the cupramine weeks are over start doing water changes so u bring levels down slowly. after few water changes mostly all the copper will be gone. then u can run carbon, i always ran cuprisorb till all traces of copper are gone.
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08/22/2012, 04:40 PM | #33 |
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Frozen Shrimp or Live Shrimp?
Question about the frozen shrimp to kick start the cycle. Can I buy a live shrimp from the Asian markets? Is there something about the frozen shrimp that makes it better? Also, should I remove the shrimp after sometime? Or just leave it in the tank? Thanks in advance!
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but answer is the same as always. fish or shrimp either or will probably not survive a cycle. or at worse if they do survive it will be very miserable. cycle will expose them to high levels of toxic's that will damage their internal organs if not kill them. its just cruel. This is why here on RC we focus on fish-less cycles. Now with no live animal in question, buy a tray of cocktail shrimp and some cocktail sauce. eat all the shrimp dipping in sauce they are tasty. ummmm..... and the last one throw it in the QT for 3-4 days. (even less as u test for ammonia everyday) once ammonia hit about 1 or more take it out. Why is a frozen shrimp better? its because 1. its not alive and not subject to poisoning in toxic water and 2 its dead already and will start decaying soon in water releasing ammonia much needed to kick start a cycle.
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I'm probably over thinking on this, but is there a difference between cooked and raw shrimp when kick starting the cycle? Also, I would have to "ghost feed" the permanent QT to keep the bacteria alive when there isn't any fish in it, right? |
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08/23/2012, 06:40 AM | #36 | |
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once a tank is cycled and you do not introduce a fish in it then yes ghost feed every 3rd day or so to keep food decaying and producing ammonia to keep bacteria fed. Note: i keep a PJ cardinal in m y QT tank all the time instead of ghost feeding.
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2 clowns and a pj will be just fine in a 20gal (same as my QT) keep up with water parameters. Note: another tip is to buy an egg crate sheet from homedepot or lowes and place it long ways dividing the tank in equal long ways half of 10gal each or u can also go fron back to front. going long ways give more swimming space than front to back.
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How do you secure the egg crate sheet in the tank? Just fit it snugly against the glass? |
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here is a rough sketch.
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Imagine the trial and errors lmao..... but we live and learn. good luck reefing please dont hesitate asking anything.
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What the!? So it is actually quite a common a practice to proactively treat incoming fish without any signs of disease with copper treatments which tend to nevertheless be a bit harsh on them? I had tried to find out about whether I should be doing so before, but couldn't find out anything about it, so that is news to me! I'm in.
Is it just copper that should be treated with, or is there any second remedy as well that would provide a good supplementary treatment for any other common types of maladies? I think I will set up a quarantine tank, but perhaps not permanently. I suppose I will keep a big mesh bag of extra floss in one of the rear compartments of my DT, and then rotate that out to a canister filter stuck on the quarantine tank whenever I need to use the QT. I would like to do something for denitrification as well though. Could I use a bag of denitrifying carbon pellets which I'd (permanently) remove from my DT in order to do so, and can I use denitrifying pellets if I'm not using a skimmer on the QT? Or would I be better off trying to section off part of the QT which I'd use for nutrient export via chaeto by adding a sump light? I guess that I could add an auto feeder to do ghost-feedings in the absence of any fish to keep it low maintenance. I might even wish to keep a QT as a seagrass tank though, and the seagrass would at least help detoxify nitrogen compounds, though any invert algae eaters might not fare quite as well with copper treatment. Perhaps an Algae Blenny nevertheless might. And some Neon Gobies if they wouldn't mind copper treatments... so perhaps this might be a permanent QT after all... Does anyone actually quarantine corals, shrimp, snails, anemones, and clams as well? Or do they just dip the corals in CoralRX before tossing them in the DT? Not sure what to do about the other inverts though... |
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Corals do. i recommend using dips like coral rx and following manufacturer's directions to rid unwated pests on corals.
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Thanks for the quick answer, which provided a great deal of clarity! Okay, so I will just run a bare QT tank as necessary, and will medicate my new fish with something or other, which I will look into researching further as to what treatment to decide upon.
So with new snails and shrimp do you just add them straight into the display tank, or quarantine them but not medicate them? And is there any particular risk of adding them straight in, in terms of diseases which they could nevertheless have on them from being with fish in LFS tanks? Would hate to see that nevertheless be a pathway for the introduction of something such as Marine Velvet... When I mentioned denitrifying carbon pellets I meant carbon dosing bio-pellets, http://www.bulkreefsupply.com/filter...iopellets.html not activated carbon. Would a bag of mature biopellets potentially be okay to add to the canister filter of a QT if I wasn't using a skimmer? (I heard you shouldn't be dosing organic carbon in any form without a skimmer, but I'm not sure of that). |
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Mxx, lol i just noticed ur in London. my brother is at Brunell University London and i travel back and forth to London or to my Sister in Oslo Norway. I was there in south Hall area just in March. Lol small world.
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This is a very helpful thread! Thanks for everyone who is participating in the discussion.
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Do you have to quarantine inverts before putting them in an invertebrate only tank?
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