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12/25/2015, 12:52 PM | #2026 |
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Yes add a bit of ammonia in form of food or 100% ammonia in bottle to atleast 1.5 ppm then test 4 hrs later. ammonia should drop to 0 and you might see some nitrites and definitely rise in nitrates. this will be indication of a cycled tank.
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how do I know how much food to add? what kind of food should I add? I added reef roids powder thinking that it would do the job, but I am not sure if it did since I added it yesterday and today there is cero amonia in water. should I add a raw shrimp a live it there until amonia is 1.5 or 2 ppm and then pull it out??? should the shrimp spike amonia in one day?? Thanks
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12/25/2015, 08:21 PM | #2029 |
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Thanks Bnumair,
The shrimp was in the quarentine tank for 5 hours you can fill the rotten smell beside the tank, wife started complaining... I took the shrimp out because I guess it will rott all the water if it stays all night. I do not have a chiller in this tank and water is at 80.5 F I guess the rotten smell indicates decomposition which would result in amonia right? But, I tested amonia and it tests cero. could this indicate that tank is cycled? I tested nitrities and it is cero now ( went down from 0.5 in the morning to cero now) I tested nitrates and I can tell it is more than 5 and less than 10 but not sure if more than previous reading of 6, maybe a little more but not to much to jump to 10 What do you think? did I do the right thing taking shrimp out after 5 hours? what should I do next? Thanks for your help
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12/26/2015, 12:12 AM | #2030 |
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i would put 2-3 good size pinch of fish food in the tank and leave it to test tomorrow and report all test results. then we can be for sure.
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Bnumar,
today in the morning I dosed the tank 1 cube of myses, 1/2 tsp of reef roids and 1/4 tsp of coral frenzy. My test result 12 hours later are as follows: Amonia : 0.1 Nitrite : 0.1 Nitrate: more than 5 but still not 10, I guess is still the same, around 6 I run a skimer in this Coral QT tank so it took out a lot of the food that I added I added one frag of pulsing xenia and it started pulsing, do you know if it would pulse in a non cycled tank? any conclusion with these results? it seems that amonia does not go up? any recomendation? Thanks for your help
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12/27/2015, 07:57 AM | #2032 |
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Bnumair,
I measured again today morning and the results are: Amonia: cero or almost cero Nitrite went up from 0.05 ( first measurement 2 days ago) to 0.2 today Nitrate went up from 6 to around 7.5 would the tank be considered cycled or changes in numbers need to be more drastic to conclude?? Thanks for your answer
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personally I think its cycled. I would do a large water change to reduce nitrates and start adding fish
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12/27/2015, 10:01 AM | #2034 |
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Yes it sure looks like tank is cycled. Do a water change and I think you are good to go.
Good luck and happy reefing
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Thanks,
one more question: why do a Water change now? I ask because nitrates are not high thanks for your answer
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if you do a water change now and siphon out most of the food and debris off the rocks and sand etc chances are you will not see a spike in nitrates thus giving you a head start over all the nitrate related issues. you dont have to do water change at this time and can wait till nitrates shoot up a little, its my personal preference, i rather have a head start.
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what % Water change would you do?? I will start treating my fish with Total transffer method. I will use 30 gal QT, since there is no biofilter in these tanks should the food for the fish be very limited to avoid amonia spikes? or that should not be an issue if I use prime to protect against amonia?
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12/29/2015, 04:31 AM | #2038 | |
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in an unclycled tank with fish, put just enough food for fish to consume within 2 minutes. Not just throw bunch of food in there and assume its enough for 2 min. whats best is to put a little watch fish eat then put a little more watch them eat and so on till they lose interest or actual feeding time was 2-3 min. in uncycled qt keep actual feeding under 2 min. if you can siphon out uneaten food after feeding. these steps will prevent ammonia along with help of prime. note prime will give false ammonia reading on test. the more they eat more they will poop which is also a contributor for ammonia.
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Thanks a lot Bnumair
a couple more comments and questions: 1.- I have read in this thread that you do not quarentine invertebrates, like snails or shrimps. You have never had an issue not quarentining them? is there something you do to prevent ich cyst comming from a coral plug or rock or an invertebrate shell? 2.- The Quarentine tank that I have ready is for coral and invertabrates only not for fish. the plan is to treat them in batches of 3 months to be 100% sure there is no ich when I move them to my new DT. I will treat all fish with TTM and prazipro. I am seting up a new 470 g DT and I want to be 100 % sure no ich comes into the new system. I would like to seed the new 470 g DT but I never treated fish in my actual 150g DT so I have to assume that it has ich ( although fish look fine). I did not mind seeding the QT coral tank with seeded rings from my actual DT because it will always run fishless. A friend from RC recommended me to seed the ceramic rings in a 10gal bucket with new saline water, an air tube in it , add stability everyday and add food every 2-3 days for 2-4 weeks. - my question is how much ceramic media should I use to seed this new system?? it has a 470g DT, 120 g sump and a 70g sea horse DT connected to the same system. - do sea horses get ich?? I ask because if so I need to do TTM to them also. any reccomendations you would like to make?? Thank you very much
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Thanks, here are more questions. I hope you do not mind, jajaj
1.- I planned to use the shrimp method for cycling this big system ( 600+ galon) Since it is big how many shrimp do you think I would have to put in and for how many days.? I will seed it with ceramic rings with bacteria and also plan to dose stability. how many days should I dose stability in addition to the seeding? one thing that I worry is the smell of the tank. When I did it in the quarentine coral fishless tank I put only one shrimp for 7 hours and my wife started complaining. I know we have to measure amonia, nitrite and nitrate to be sure tank is cycled, but in quarentine tank amonia levels never got above 0.1 and nitrite was 0.2 the highest. so in big system it could also happen that amonia levels do not sky rocket also. I do not know if this is not good for starting a new tank? please tell me what you think. 2.- Quarentine coral fishless tank: tank is cycled and with coral in it. since there is no fish in tank, I am only using coral food such as reef roids and coral frenzy ( both powders). would these kind of food keep the bacteria happy? I ask becuase I am not sure if they will add amonia for the bacteria? do I have to feed these foods every day of every other day would be fine for the bacteria? thanks a lot |
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Thanks, it helps a lot!
I do not want to ghost feed because it will be difficult to siphon everything and algae maybe a problem down the road. I guess the shrimp or dosing pure ammonia are better in that sense?? which method do you preffer, the shrimp method or dose pure ammonia and why? when you say pure ammonia, you reffer to amonium hidroxide? solutions used for cleanings have alcohol and other aditives as well. I guess I would have to find a source of getting pure ammonia. If I understand correctly I should not seed the Tank with the seeded ceramic rings until after I reach 1.5 or 2 ppm of ammonia?? after I get that reading of ammonia, then I put the seeded ceramic rings in the tank and also dose stability, correct? In the Quarentine coral fishless tank I seeded the tank with the ceramic rings and also dosed stability since day 1, then I added the shrimp in day 3, I suppose that is why ammonia never got higher than 0.1 Thanks again
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Happy new year!
Thanks for all that you share with us, it really helps a lot. Today is the 2nd day of my second tank transffer on the 1st fish. I decided to treat all my fish with TTM. I have an 80g Quaretine tank for observation only but it will not be cycled when my first fish complete the TTM. Do you think it is safe to put the fish in the 80g observation tank if I to start dosing stability since day one and have 1 filter sponge inside the tank to poblate with bacteria? I was thinking of having an amonia badge inside the tank and also dose prime for peace of mind. I will only put 1 fish since it is my first TTM and I wanted to try the method. 2.- my second load of fish to be treated by TTM are tangs. I treat them in 20g tanks for TTM. do you think it would be apropriate to give 2 medium size tangs half a sheet of nory a day in the 20g uncycled tanks when doing the TTM? I just want to have a feeling if half a sheet is not to much in the sense that ammonia can creep in the 20g tank I have been dosing prime in 2nd and 3rd day of TTM 3.- I am a pharmacist, I think I know how to get pure ammonia for cycling the a tank. do you happen to know if what we are looking for is NH4OH (amonium hidroxide)? please tell me what you think thanks a lot
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Are there any ammonia reducing products that are safe to use with cupramine? I set up a 30 gallon quarantine a few days ago since the fish in my display are starting to show ick. I took some sponges out of my display to put in the HOB filter in the QT tank. I'd like to get my fish moved over in the next few days to avoid losing any. I am assuming the qt tank will not be able to handle to bio load at this point. There will be a decent amount of fish in there (large adult pair of onyx percula clowns, 4 red spot glass cardinals, yellow clown goby, and a yellow tail damsel). The cardinals require pretty heavy feeding to keep healthy. I'm fine with doing frequent water changes but I'm not sure if that will be enough.
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Hello all! I have a 300 gallon SPS DT with the following fish: Emperor Angel, Purple Tang, WhiteTail Bristletooth Tang, Labouti, Lineatus, Solarensis, Orange Back, Red Velvet, Pintail Pair, Rhomboid Pair, 9 Bimac Anthias, Blue Star Leopard, Yellow Coris, and Christmas Wrasse. I just recently picked up an Achillies tang to complete my fish list and he is in an acclimation box in my DT. My DT has had ich for the past yr and I have been debating on going fallow to clear it up especially prior to releasing the Achillies. I have a 300 gallon rubbermaid that I was going to use to house the fish while my DT is fallow, but I have a few questions before I begin setting it up.
I want to perform TTM on the fish prior to housing in my rubbermaid container. My plan is as follows: 1. Take water from my DT after my next water change 2. Setup a canister filter (Aquatop 500 w/ UV light), heater, and powerheads 3. Seed it with filter floss from the DT 4. Treat the rubbermaid setup with copper to eradicate any potential ich on the filter floss and DT water. 5. Begin TTM on fish in separate containers 6. Remove copper medication from rubbermaid setup with carbon and water change 7. Transfer fish to Rubbermaid setup while DT remains fallow Will copper kill any beneficial biological bacteria? Should I add any biological bacteria to the rubbermaid setup? Any other recommendations with my above process? Thanks for your help! |
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I'm far from an expert on Ich, but I believe that both of you, Pfan151 and row12 are just transferring your issues to a new tank by introducing media from your existing tanks. I personally would just ask around and see if any other reefers in your area can seed some media in their tank for you. Again, I'm not an expert and I'm sure someone else will chime in, but by moving media your transferring the ich spores.
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Using media from the ick infected tank to seed the QT tanks doesn't matter. The QT tank will have ick as soon as my fish are put into it anyway. The copper will kill all of the parasites in the QT tank. |
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