OT ponds

Capt_Cully · 05/22/2018, 01:08 PM

Revisiting this. I know Some of you guys have experience with this. I had A layout but the wife squashed it. So now we’ve reconfigured into a standard design. 20-30” waterfall into approx 8x10’ pond. Hoping to get depth to 30-36”.

Recommendations on spillway/waterfall and skimmer/filter/pumps? I know From this hobby good stuff ain’t cheap and cheap stuff ain’t good. Appreciate it.

prose · 05/22/2018, 01:32 PM

Dude come over and look at ours lol

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Capt_Cully · 05/22/2018, 02:57 PM

Seen it many times. Going smaller. WAY smaller.

Looking at different brands for spill ways & skimmers. Not sure if the higher end stuff is worth it. Helix, aquascspes, etc.

gmneil · 05/22/2018, 04:26 PM

aquascape has some pretty nice ponds on their youtube videos there products look pretty good,, I even used some of their black silicone on a tank before lol

Gary Majchrzak · 05/22/2018, 04:36 PM

just wait until you see it's POND

Spartan · 05/25/2018, 01:16 PM

Cully, what do you plan on keeping in the pond? That should determine what you want to do. Some greater depth may also be advisable.
Keep in mind that that at some point you may want to clean it out. That can be an enormous task. A lot of larger ponds put in bottom drains which eliminate muck building up on the bottom etc, which save you from that chore.
I went the heavy filtration route to avoid all that - bead filter, skimmer, sieve, uv clarifier, but depends on budget and what result you want in the end.

Capt_Cully · 05/25/2018, 07:54 PM

I dont Really have anywhere to House the heavy duty equipment. I do Have a habit of going overboard but I was Trying to keep this one simple. I was planning a sterilizer. Possibly an iongen but I’d have to read up more on their efficacy. I dont Plan on being able to keep true koi but their smaller cousins. Other than that some aquatic and bog type plants.

Spartan · 05/26/2018, 07:39 AM

Have a look at:
http://www.savioeng.com/

I use their skimmer (which has ports for 2 UV lights) and works very well. I cant vouch for the other stuff but they do have basic complete kits.
A few other things- I'd really push to set up a pump (that can handle debris)at the bottom and run that up to the filter or the bottom drain system I mentioned earlier. Its a pita but you will thank me later.
Do NOT build a shelf around the inner perimeter; better to have a shear drop (think of Herons using that to wade in).
Do slope the bottom (not the walls) assuming you set up a bottom drain or pump.
Do build in some type of step(s) out - if someone falls in it's harder to get out than youd think when the liner gets algae covered.

Spartan · 05/26/2018, 07:40 AM

If you get more into it, I'll pass along a great website for construction ideas, just pm me

saltyscotsman · 05/26/2018, 04:49 PM

I put in a bog garden which handles most of the filtration and a sponge filter, I don have bottom drain and never have a problem with sludge with two water falls one from the bog garden and one from the sponge filter and depth of 40" 25' by 15' with about 15 koi the bigger the pond the better good luck

block head · 05/27/2018, 05:38 AM

Ding dang carp. They can live in anything.

Spartan · 05/27/2018, 08:07 AM

They can live in anything.

Perhaps but that is not going to give you very good results.

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CuseReefer84 · 06/02/2018, 12:54 PM

Check out Aqua Scape The Pond Guy on YouTube. His ponds are all done with biological filters and need little to no maintenance. I want one myself!

Capt_Cully · 06/02/2018, 03:21 PM

Yeah their stuff is pretty sweet. Still working through my plumbing. I’d love a bottom drain but I just Don’t think it’s in the cards. By my estimation the pond is about 1000 gallons. Ditch dug. Think I’m going with waterfall, skimmer, and pressure filter with UV. From what I’ve read this is the simplest but may not be the best. This is essentially a glorified water garden. Going to order supplies soon. Then finish out the landscape. I’ve been dragging giant stones home from my hunting property. Almost gave myself a hernia on Wednesday carrying a boulder out of the woods with nothing but mettle, braun, and the pythons. I used To be much stronger. Almost had to turn my .380 on myself as a mercy killing. #gluefactory

CuseReefer84 · 06/02/2018, 04:44 PM

No Bio balls?

Capt_Cully · 06/02/2018, 06:08 PM

They’re in the pressure filters.

CuseReefer84 · 06/04/2018, 12:48 PM

Nice. They have another filter that uses plants to filter the water, I think it's called a bog filter. You can have that and the ones your using.

CuseReefer84 · 06/04/2018, 12:50 PM

Oh, lol, someone already mentioned it.

Spartan · 06/04/2018, 12:55 PM

Feel your pain with the grunt work. Post some pics!

johno4 · 06/05/2018, 05:04 AM

Pics please. I am hoping to put in a pond next summer...

Capt_Cully · 06/05/2018, 01:01 PM

Can’t seem to get pic to upload

Capt_Cully · 06/06/2018, 04:42 PM

Still pricing and sizing out components, but recommendations on places to buy the liners?

And does the underlayment have to be anything special? Or just “something?

Thanks!

Spartan · 06/06/2018, 09:28 PM

Underlayment should be soft enough to pad it and firm enough to prevent punctures from roots or stone underneath. I think mine was partially old carpet remnants.

RoscoPColtrane · 06/08/2018, 09:40 AM

I second Spartans suggestion for a bottom drain and also eliminating a shelf if you have herons in the area. Without the drain at some point you will be removing sludge from the bottom, which is not fun.

Capt_Cully · 06/08/2018, 11:24 AM

I honestly Don’t think I can Make that happen as much as I’d love to.

05/22/2018, 01:08 PM	#1
Capt_Cully Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 13,574	OT ponds Revisiting this. I know Some of you guys have experience with this. I had A layout but the wife squashed it. So now we’ve reconfigured into a standard design. 20-30” waterfall into approx 8x10’ pond. Hoping to get depth to 30-36”. Recommendations on spillway/waterfall and skimmer/filter/pumps? I know From this hobby good stuff ain’t cheap and cheap stuff ain’t good. Appreciate it. __________________ People say cars are a bad investment. Those people don't have reef tanks. Current Tank Info: 120, Radion Gen 2 Pro x 2

05/22/2018, 02:57 PM	#3
Capt_Cully Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 13,574	Seen it many times. Going smaller. WAY smaller. Looking at different brands for spill ways & skimmers. Not sure if the higher end stuff is worth it. Helix, aquascspes, etc. __________________ People say cars are a bad investment. Those people don't have reef tanks. Current Tank Info: 120, Radion Gen 2 Pro x 2

05/22/2018, 04:26 PM	#4
gmneil Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: buffalo, ny Posts: 1,191	aquascape has some pretty nice ponds on their youtube videos there products look pretty good,, I even used some of their black silicone on a tank before lol __________________ you always lose money chasing women, but u never lose women chasing money.. Current Tank Info: the keeper of clowns,, to many tanks to list

05/22/2018, 04:36 PM	#5
Gary Majchrzak Team RC Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 41,560	new dock owner here! just wait until you see it's POND __________________ over 24 years experience with multiple types of marine aquarium systems see Upstate Reef Society Forum on RC and FB GOOGLE JUNIOR'S REEF Current Tank Info: 84x24x30 265g reef past TOTM honors

05/25/2018, 01:16 PM	#6
Spartan Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Western New York Posts: 705	Cully, what do you plan on keeping in the pond? That should determine what you want to do. Some greater depth may also be advisable. Keep in mind that that at some point you may want to clean it out. That can be an enormous task. A lot of larger ponds put in bottom drains which eliminate muck building up on the bottom etc, which save you from that chore. I went the heavy filtration route to avoid all that - bead filter, skimmer, sieve, uv clarifier, but depends on budget and what result you want in the end. __________________ Reef since 95'. 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge Current Tank Info: 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge

05/22/2018, 01:32 PM	#2
prose Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 143	Dude come over and look at ours lol Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

05/25/2018, 07:54 PM	#7
Capt_Cully Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 13,574	I dont Really have anywhere to House the heavy duty equipment. I do Have a habit of going overboard but I was Trying to keep this one simple. I was planning a sterilizer. Possibly an iongen but I’d have to read up more on their efficacy. I dont Plan on being able to keep true koi but their smaller cousins. Other than that some aquatic and bog type plants. __________________ People say cars are a bad investment. Those people don't have reef tanks. Current Tank Info: 120, Radion Gen 2 Pro x 2

05/26/2018, 07:39 AM	#8
Spartan Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Western New York Posts: 705	Have a look at: http://www.savioeng.com/ I use their skimmer (which has ports for 2 UV lights) and works very well. I cant vouch for the other stuff but they do have basic complete kits. A few other things- I'd really push to set up a pump (that can handle debris)at the bottom and run that up to the filter or the bottom drain system I mentioned earlier. Its a pita but you will thank me later. Do NOT build a shelf around the inner perimeter; better to have a shear drop (think of Herons using that to wade in). Do slope the bottom (not the walls) assuming you set up a bottom drain or pump. Do build in some type of step(s) out - if someone falls in it's harder to get out than youd think when the liner gets algae covered. __________________ Reef since 95'. 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge Current Tank Info: 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge

05/26/2018, 07:40 AM	#9
Spartan Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Western New York Posts: 705	If you get more into it, I'll pass along a great website for construction ideas, just pm me __________________ Reef since 95'. 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge Current Tank Info: 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge

05/26/2018, 04:49 PM	#10
saltyscotsman Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: orchard park Posts: 467	I put in a bog garden which handles most of the filtration and a sponge filter, I don have bottom drain and never have a problem with sludge with two water falls one from the bog garden and one from the sponge filter and depth of 40" 25' by 15' with about 15 koi the bigger the pond the better good luck

05/27/2018, 05:38 AM	#11
block head Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: spencerport ny Posts: 2,619	Ding dang carp. They can live in anything.

05/27/2018, 08:07 AM	#12
Spartan Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Western New York Posts: 705	They can live in anything. Perhaps but that is not going to give you very good results. IMG_5830.jpg __________________ Reef since 95'. 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge Current Tank Info: 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge

06/02/2018, 12:54 PM	#13
CuseReefer84 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Syracuse Posts: 103	Check out Aqua Scape The Pond Guy on YouTube. His ponds are all done with biological filters and need little to no maintenance. I want one myself!

06/02/2018, 03:21 PM	#14
Capt_Cully Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 13,574	Yeah their stuff is pretty sweet. Still working through my plumbing. I’d love a bottom drain but I just Don’t think it’s in the cards. By my estimation the pond is about 1000 gallons. Ditch dug. Think I’m going with waterfall, skimmer, and pressure filter with UV. From what I’ve read this is the simplest but may not be the best. This is essentially a glorified water garden. Going to order supplies soon. Then finish out the landscape. I’ve been dragging giant stones home from my hunting property. Almost gave myself a hernia on Wednesday carrying a boulder out of the woods with nothing but mettle, braun, and the pythons. I used To be much stronger. Almost had to turn my .380 on myself as a mercy killing. #gluefactory __________________ People say cars are a bad investment. Those people don't have reef tanks. Current Tank Info: 120, Radion Gen 2 Pro x 2

06/02/2018, 04:44 PM	#15
CuseReefer84 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Syracuse Posts: 103	No Bio balls?

06/02/2018, 06:08 PM	#16
Capt_Cully Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 13,574	They’re in the pressure filters. __________________ People say cars are a bad investment. Those people don't have reef tanks. Current Tank Info: 120, Radion Gen 2 Pro x 2

06/04/2018, 12:48 PM	#17
CuseReefer84 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Syracuse Posts: 103	Nice. They have another filter that uses plants to filter the water, I think it's called a bog filter. You can have that and the ones your using.

06/04/2018, 12:50 PM	#18
CuseReefer84 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Syracuse Posts: 103	Oh, lol, someone already mentioned it.

06/04/2018, 12:55 PM	#19
Spartan Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Western New York Posts: 705	Feel your pain with the grunt work. Post some pics! __________________ Reef since 95'. 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge Current Tank Info: 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge

06/05/2018, 05:04 AM	#20
johno4 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 2,526	Pics please. I am hoping to put in a pond next summer...

06/05/2018, 01:01 PM	#21
Capt_Cully Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 13,574	Can’t seem to get pic to upload __________________ People say cars are a bad investment. Those people don't have reef tanks. Current Tank Info: 120, Radion Gen 2 Pro x 2

06/06/2018, 04:42 PM	#22
Capt_Cully Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 13,574	Still pricing and sizing out components, but recommendations on places to buy the liners? And does the underlayment have to be anything special? Or just “something? Thanks! __________________ People say cars are a bad investment. Those people don't have reef tanks. Current Tank Info: 120, Radion Gen 2 Pro x 2

06/06/2018, 09:28 PM	#23
Spartan Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Western New York Posts: 705	Underlayment should be soft enough to pad it and firm enough to prevent punctures from roots or stone underneath. I think mine was partially old carpet remnants. __________________ Reef since 95'. 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge Current Tank Info: 180g, 100g sump, 55 g refuge

06/08/2018, 09:40 AM	#24
RoscoPColtrane Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 586	I second Spartans suggestion for a bottom drain and also eliminating a shelf if you have herons in the area. Without the drain at some point you will be removing sludge from the bottom, which is not fun.

06/08/2018, 11:24 AM	#25
Capt_Cully Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 13,574	I honestly Don’t think I can Make that happen as much as I’d love to. __________________ People say cars are a bad investment. Those people don't have reef tanks. Current Tank Info: 120, Radion Gen 2 Pro x 2