Solomon Islands True Percula Info Needed

[CoralsAddiction]

Originally Posted by Yuri Barros

This is gig.......for me.......


Maybe they occours a little bit to the North............something between Madang and Raja Ampat..............

But I don´t know where Amphiprion percula and Amphiprion ocellaris are separated............

I think that the fishes from Raja Ampat are Amphiprion ocellaris..........

???

Another fish store employee said Bali...??? But they could be wrong...wouldn't be the first time...unfortunately.

[Yuri Barros]

I found a pic from Cenderawasih Bay.............and it is Amphiprion percula...........True Percula........



Source : http://www.coralcoe.org.au/news/carb...indonesia-2006

I think that this is the divisor between Amphiprion percula and Amphiprion ocellaris.......................the region of Cenderawasih Bay..........at North West Papua Indonesia..........

Cenderawasih Bay have Amphiprion percula...........and Raja Ampat have Amphiprion ocellaris...........


Bali region is an important Indonesian Throughflow passage............even due Last Glacial Era.............

The flow came through Makassar Strait.......till Lombook Strait......between Bali and Lombook................................and this region the fish is Amphiprion ocellaris............

Something like the Ocellaris from Singapore..............

Maybe few fishes show signs of Melanism............

Here are few exemples of how Melanism appears in Amphiprion ocellaris.........from Malaysia region........





Amphiprion ocellaris......from Perhenthian Islands........Malaysia.......



They do not show complete Melanism the same way that are founded in Darwin - Australia ( Black Ocellaris).........that seems to have a Genetic issue too............

They show a kind of more subtle Melanism.............linked with Stichodactyla gigantea............


But about True Percs........I never see a single Image from Bali.............

What I saw is Amphiprion ocellaris............

This Image is from Bali.........look at the Volcanic Substrate..........



Hosted in Merten´s..........

[CoralsAddiction]

I kid you not the store had that melanistic (not Darwin) ocellaris. It was a misbar and large enough to be an adult with full adult coloration. I wish I had taken a picture.

[Yuri Barros]

I found something intresting............right now.......

http://www.francescoricciardi.com/cl...ali-indonesia/

I don´t know what to say............

Its gonna be cool if you take few pics.............

[CoralsAddiction]

Originally Posted by Yuri Barros

I found something intresting............right now.......

http://www.francescoricciardi.com/cl...ali-indonesia/

I don´t know what to say............

Its gonna be cool if you take few pics.............

Wow. Amazing article. Also, those low tide pics of clowns are crazy nice. Who knew that's how they survived.

[Ambition]

Originally Posted by Yuri Barros

I found something intresting............right now.......

http://www.francescoricciardi.com/cl...ali-indonesia/

I don´t know what to say............

Its gonna be cool if you take few pics.............

Not sure exactly how Bali Aquarich is set up for breeding, but it might be an escaped specimen or the result of a larvae actually surviving?

[CoralsAddiction]

Well, this fish store claims to have Bali true percula for sale: http://youtu.be/oxP7zBaa_GE

[CoralsAddiction]

As you can see they are not melanistic like the ones form SI

[Yuri Barros]

This is very intresting.........and seems to be a rare stuff.............

There is no information about this Percula population from Bali.....

Totally new to me.................

I like them..........

They look like Perculas...........but a close inspection gonna be cool.........specially Dorsal Spines count.............

[Yuri Barros]

Originally Posted by Ambition

Not sure exactly how Bali Aquarich is set up for breeding, but it might be an escaped specimen or the result of a larvae actually surviving?

I don´t know...........this information is totally new to me............

All pictures I saw that came from Bali...........is about Amphiprion ocellaris........

To say that Amphiprion percula geographic range includes Bali...........a breeding population must be founded............in the wild.........

The Youtube video......show 2 fishes with similar apparence..........if they were wild caught in Bali Island.........there is the possibility to find a breeding population in the wild..........

I don´t know..........let´s wait and see if more information come up.......

More pictures.............

I will try to dig.........

[Yuri Barros]

Originally Posted by CoralsAddiction

As you can see they are not melanistic like the ones form SI

Yes.........the fishes from Youtube video......look like Perculas..........

Melanistic ones from Malaysia are Amphiprion ocellaris..........

[CoralsAddiction]

The true percula I saw at the store yesterday did not look good. Many were lethargic and had a couple white spots here and there.

[CoralsAddiction]

LTA hosts them in the wild too?!?!?! I am confused

Link: http://www.ocellarisclownfish.com/ge...-host-anemone/

Never mind they credit Todd for the picture which he posted earlier in this thread. They made it look like pic was taken in Solomon Islands. Ha.

[CoralsAddiction]

SI clownfish in Magnifica

[CoralsAddiction]

Another one in Magnifica lacking significant black coloration.

[CoralsAddiction]

Very interesting how fish coloration depends on the host anemone. No black percula clowns in Magnificas.

[Yuri Barros]

This is a Night Diving picture too..........



The are fishes covered with mucus.............

[D-Nak]

Originally Posted by CoralsAddiction

Very interesting how fish coloration depends on the host anemone. No black percula clowns in Magnificas.

This occurs in our tanks as well -- more than a few people had their Onyx clowns fade in magnifica.

Also, I guess what this thread shows is that unless you catch them yourself or have a very reputable dealer working with you, there's really no way of knowing where the clown came from, based on color alone. That said, all of the percs I've seen with more black than normal were always labeled SI or PNG percula clown. But, as I previously mentioned, just because it's labeled as such does not mean they will always have more black than a typical perc.

[Ambition]

I've been trying to see if anyone would ask or answer something I've been wondering about as far as onyx go, but I haven't seen it asked or answered yet.

I acquired, what I think might be a C-Quest Onyx (not sure, exactly since the person I purchased it from noted he got it from Booyah's IIRC), and for the previous owner, was the perfect onyx IMO. Full black coloration between all of the bars, and around the extra spot. The male from the video below is the specimen I got (the female died for a mysterious reason).



By time I got a tank ready to receive him and the bali picasso, and he arrived (was shipped to me), the full onyx coloring was gone. I would expect this had he been kept with a gig or the like and was now under my care with no nem, but I find it odd since he wasn't ever kept in an anemone in the past year or so and retained the black coloration. Now that I've had him for a month, I think some has come back since he arrived (no pictures to look back on though to be sure). Just wondering if the black may "recover" so to speak?

A recent picture of him with the new bali picasso from last night:

[CoralsAddiction]

Originally Posted by Ambition

I've been trying to see if anyone would ask or answer something I've been wondering about as far as onyx go, but I haven't seen it asked or answered yet.

I acquired, what I think might be a C-Quest Onyx (not sure, exactly since the person I purchased it from noted he got it from Booyah's IIRC), and for the previous owner, was the perfect onyx IMO. Full black coloration between all of the bars, and around the extra spot. The male from the video below is the specimen I got (the female died for a mysterious reason).



By time I got a tank ready to receive him and the bali picasso, and he arrived (was shipped to me), the full onyx coloring was gone. I would expect this had he been kept with a gig or the like and was now under my care with no nem, but I find it odd since he wasn't ever kept in an anemone in the past year or so and retained the black coloration. Now that I've had him for a month, I think some has come back since he arrived (no pictures to look back on though to be sure). Just wondering if the black may "recover" so to speak?

A recent picture of him with the new bali picasso from last night:

Your video does not show...tried laptop and Tapatalk to no avail. Like D-Nak said, it's very common for SI A. Percula to lose its black coloration. Todd's clownfish regained some of its color after putting it with Haddoni anemone. But yours is tank raised and potentially should have kept more color than its wild caught counterparts...I am just speculating here though.

[OrionN]

Originally Posted by Yuri Barros

I found something intresting............right now.......

http://www.francescoricciardi.com/cl...ali-indonesia/

I don´t know what to say............

Its gonna be cool if you take few pics.............

The picture of this fish doen not look like a wild caught A. percula. If you look at the fish, the lower jaw protrude out over the top jaw which is a very common defect in captive breed clown fish.

Is it possible that somebody release these fish there for publicity?

[Yuri Barros]

I don´t know...........

A. percula in Bali is a new information to me.............

I made a brief search for pictures without sucess.............I found only A. ocellaris pictures..........

I doný know what to say...........just wait for more information or pictures..........

[CoralsAddiction]

Originally Posted by Yuri Barros

I found a pic from Cenderawasih Bay.............and it is Amphiprion percula...........True Percula........



Source : http://www.coralcoe.org.au/news/carb...indonesia-2006

I think that this is the divisor between Amphiprion percula and Amphiprion ocellaris.......................the region of Cenderawasih Bay..........at North West Papua Indonesia..........

Cenderawasih Bay have Amphiprion percula...........and Raja Ampat have Amphiprion ocellaris...........


Bali region is an important Indonesian Throughflow passage............even due Last Glacial Era.............

The flow came through Makassar Strait.......till Lombook Strait......between Bali and Lombook................................and this region the fish is Amphiprion ocellaris............

Something like the Ocellaris from Singapore..............

Maybe few fishes show signs of Melanism............

Here are few exemples of how Melanism appears in Amphiprion ocellaris.........from Malaysia region........





Amphiprion ocellaris......from Perhenthian Islands........Malaysia.......



They do not show complete Melanism the same way that are founded in Darwin - Australia ( Black Ocellaris).........that seems to have a Genetic issue too............

They show a kind of more subtle Melanism.............linked with Stichodactyla gigantea............


But about True Percs........I never see a single Image from Bali.............

What I saw is Amphiprion ocellaris............

This Image is from Bali.........look at the Volcanic Substrate..........



Hosted in Merten´s..........

Here you go. Took the video specifically for this thread. Melanistic A. Occelaris. To me it looked too large to have juvenile Darwin brown color.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mI8YMDRFOCE

[CoralsAddiction]

But the face is not black or brown like in the pic you posted so I'm very confused.

[CoralsAddiction]

Here's the video link again: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mI8YMDRFOCE