new mag, new worries ?

hottuna · 08/30/2018, 06:06 PM

Got a new mag today...Its a beauty...however 2hrs after being placed in the tank and I shot some brine shrimp across its tentacles ..Food did not even stick ..Should I be worried ???...mouth is not 100% tight...was in the lfs for 3 weeks full open and looking great...

davocean · 08/30/2018, 07:23 PM

I don't even worry about feeding a new nem at least a week to let it settle first, unless it's bleached and needs it.

Typically it's deflation of tentacles you should be watching for when new.

Looks fine, let it be.

It may go to highest rock maybe, depending on your lights, or flow sometimes a factor

WatDatThing · 08/30/2018, 10:07 PM

Very nice.

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hottuna · 08/31/2018, 02:54 AM

Thing is : I had no intention of buying a mag just yet. I went to my LFS yesterday to pick up a $3 net..and left with the mag. It had been in the store's new 220 gal DT for 3 weeks perched high on a rock doing fine. When I walked in it had moved from the rock and climbed onto the glass and moved up high in the tank. They had another mag for sale in their "anemone tank" but it didnt look so well mouth agape, etc...so I played dumb and asked the LFS employee if he would sell me the one in the DT ...he said ok...The owner of the store was out doing a service call and had he been there -I doubt he'd sell it out of the DT(i've tried before with other nems in the past) ..Soooo...I made the impulse buy of the century...now I just hope it survives...Ideally - it should be qt'd with cipro-but since it was in the LFS for 3 weeks looking great and since I had no hospital tank prepared,or cipro on hand -I put it right in my tank...Fingers crossed...I'll try and take a pic of the mouth later today..it was tight but not 100% closed....

blackgate · 08/31/2018, 04:13 AM

Man that is the exact color my LFS in TN is holding for me. I really like that foot color as I have had many purple bases and tan bases in the past and just wanted something different (I may be 80 yrs old before I find a red one). I think the white/cream base is really cool. I bet that color form will be wicked under some led actinic and given 6 more months to get established. Good luck and congrats!!

Kinetic · 08/31/2018, 03:27 PM

Looks great! My mag definitely didn't eat anything for weeks after being shipped, you should be fine. I also never feed my mag (it gets accidental bits, and 400 PAR of light).

I think you could probably prep for a cipro treatment just in case (like have a tank, nem proof powerhead, and cipro). Best case, you never need to set it up.

hottuna · 09/01/2018, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kinetic

Looks great! My mag definitely didn't eat anything for weeks after being shipped, you should be fine. I also never feed my mag (it gets accidental bits, and 400 PAR of light).

I think you could probably prep for a cipro treatment just in case (like have a tank, nem proof powerhead, and cipro). Best case, you never need to set it up.

Thanks for the good words , Kinetic...I always admired your tank ...I just ordered a new LED fixture to provide more light...currently its under 96 watts of t5ho...not enough IMO.. next going to 150 watts of pure LEd...and if necessary -I'll add more light in the future

Kinetic · 09/01/2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by hottuna

Thanks for the good words , Kinetic...I always admired your tank ...I just ordered a new LED fixture to provide more light...currently its under 96 watts of t5ho...not enough IMO.. next going to 150 watts of pure LEd...and if necessary -I'll add more light in the future

If you can, find a PAR meter to measure exactly what the anemone is getting. I was beaming over 440 PAR onto my mag, and it still was reaching a bit. PAR isn't everything, but you'll be able to get a good sense of what it's getting! I think a mag will need at least 200 PAR or more if you can manage it.

hottuna · 09/03/2018, 04:15 PM

UPDATE : MOUTH looks pretty good now. I fed the clowns small pellets and the anemone ate one...next day I fed it a nice chunk of fresh squid. It devoured it ! I think this mag's a keeper....

WatDatThing · 09/03/2018, 04:31 PM

Very very nice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hottuna

UPDATE : MOUTH looks pretty good now. I fed the clowns small pellets and the anemone ate one...next day I fed it a nice chunk of fresh squid. It devoured it ! I think this mag's a keeper....

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hottuna · 09/12/2018, 05:23 PM

hottuna · 09/12/2018, 05:26 PM

sorry for the giant pic ..dont know how to shrink it...Pic of the mag under a new LED I just got . light is way more intense than the T5's I had it under...it has now expanded to about 12" in diameter under the new stronger light...was about 9" before.
Eating silversides now on a regular basis...

davocean · 09/12/2018, 06:35 PM

I would not risk silversides, way too many nem keepers have had problems, including myself.
Mysis, scallop, raw shrimp are all much better choices

OrionN · 09/12/2018, 09:00 PM

If the food is not fit for me to eat, then it is not fit for my anemone to eat.
Nice anemone. Don't feed him too much or he will quickly out grow your tank.

Kinetic · 09/12/2018, 09:53 PM

I never fed my mag. It seems totally fine with occasional pellets, poop, and light.

Anyway, hottuna, the mag is looking great! If you feed it too much it'll definitely outgrow the tank

hottuna · 09/13/2018, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davocean

I would not risk silversides, way too many nem keepers have had problems, including myself.
Mysis, scallop, raw shrimp are all much better choices

Hey , daveocean can you elaborate on the problems ? I used to feed it squid, but it spit out the last piece...then tried silversides.it devoured it.
i am a fishernan and catch alot of fish most of the yr ...how bout a small piece of fresh fish filet ? (bluefish,rockfish,drum,flounder etc)

OrionN · 09/13/2018, 06:30 AM

Fresh fish do not smell. Silverside being small frozen with guts intact spoil easy. Being pet food they do not get the care they need in transport. Also if they happen to get thawed out who ever in charge of them at the time just refreeze them.
Because of all of the above more often then not by the time these silverside reach your anemone’s mouth they are not likely spoiled. Spoiled food will cause your anemone server problem if not killing them.
In addition to this, the price of silverside at the LFS is about as much as sushi grade fish.

Bad food that can kill anemones at an outrageous price. It is a wonder that they sell any.

We eat fish and seafood a lot. I just cut off odds and ends for my fish and anemones. Great food at almost no cost to me.

davocean · 09/13/2018, 07:46 AM

Yep, what Minh said.

Many years ago I fed silvers to my nems, and I had seen comments about them causing harm, but did not think much of it having used them so long, but when I fed 3 healthy LTA's and watched all 3 contract, detach, and just melt away, well, that was the end of that.

Too many safer options, not worth risk

WatDatThing · 09/13/2018, 12:56 PM

Good to know about the silversides. To date, I have only feed my nems market shrimp. I have been thinking of buying frozen silversides from Petco. Good thing I didn't.

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hottuna · 09/14/2018, 09:24 AM

Yes and my nem spit up the partially digested silverside the next morning ! and...it's mouth was distended for quite a few hrs afterward...
so thats off the menu forever...

Planetmacro · 09/27/2018, 10:52 AM

I feed my magnificas a very small clam once per week.

Insane_Realmz · 09/27/2018, 11:49 AM

I'm cautious about market seafood. I've lost a few BTA's to market shrimp and clams. I suspect they are sprayed with some preservative so they can sit in the meat cooler longer. The poor nems would devour the food, only to sit drooping with mouth gaping open and innards hanging out a couple days after. I won't risk it with my Ritteri. He gets freshly caught wild salmon that I've frozen rock hard to be sure there's no bugs. Fresh fish does not stink.

Another alternative are cleaned live Nightcrawlers from the bait store. You'll know a healthy worm when you see one. And since they're so fragile, I can assume they've got no harmful chemicals on them. But I like to use fresh fish when I can.

Anybody have any other alternatives to getting SAFE foods to our nems?

Insane_Realmz · 09/27/2018, 11:51 AM

Minh, what are your choices to getting good, fresh, safe seafood for your nems?

D-Nak · 09/28/2018, 10:17 AM

A lot of seafood that's safe for human consumption is treated with STPP, a preservative that helps to maintain moisture (I think it adds water weight as well, so sellers make more money). I think it's the cause of the soapy feeling when rinsing frozen shrimp. Recently I've seen more places advertising "not treated with STPP" on their shrimp.

Fortunately, in my area many stores sell "sushi-grade" fish including tuna, salmon, and other salt water fish. Most are flash frozen to kill parasites and are generally safe to feed nems. My go-to choices are wild salmon and "maguro" aka bluefin tuna.

Recently I've been getting lazy and just shooting my gigs squirts of LRS Fertility Frenzy, because I feed it to my clownfish pairs. I also used LRS Fish Frenzy. Seems to work well and both foods include many different types of fish and other quality ingredients.

D-Nak · 09/28/2018, 10:19 AM

The mag looks great BTW. One of my favorite color morphs!

08/30/2018, 07:23 PM	#2
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	I don't even worry about feeding a new nem at least a week to let it settle first, unless it's bleached and needs it. Typically it's deflation of tentacles you should be watching for when new. Looks fine, let it be. It may go to highest rock maybe, depending on your lights, or flow sometimes a factor __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

08/31/2018, 02:54 AM	#4
hottuna Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,248	Thing is : I had no intention of buying a mag just yet. I went to my LFS yesterday to pick up a $3 net..and left with the mag. It had been in the store's new 220 gal DT for 3 weeks perched high on a rock doing fine. When I walked in it had moved from the rock and climbed onto the glass and moved up high in the tank. They had another mag for sale in their "anemone tank" but it didnt look so well mouth agape, etc...so I played dumb and asked the LFS employee if he would sell me the one in the DT ...he said ok...The owner of the store was out doing a service call and had he been there -I doubt he'd sell it out of the DT(i've tried before with other nems in the past) ..Soooo...I made the impulse buy of the century...now I just hope it survives...Ideally - it should be qt'd with cipro-but since it was in the LFS for 3 weeks looking great and since I had no hospital tank prepared,or cipro on hand -I put it right in my tank...Fingers crossed...I'll try and take a pic of the mouth later today..it was tight but not 100% closed.... __________________ HotTuna

09/03/2018, 04:15 PM	#9
hottuna Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,248	UPDATE : MOUTH looks pretty good now. I fed the clowns small pellets and the anemone ate one...next day I fed it a nice chunk of fresh squid. It devoured it ! I think this mag's a keeper.... __________________ HotTuna

09/12/2018, 05:23 PM	#11
hottuna Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,248	__________________ HotTuna

09/12/2018, 05:26 PM	#12
hottuna Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,248	sorry for the giant pic ..dont know how to shrink it...Pic of the mag under a new LED I just got . light is way more intense than the T5's I had it under...it has now expanded to about 12" in diameter under the new stronger light...was about 9" before. Eating silversides now on a regular basis... __________________ HotTuna

08/30/2018, 10:07 PM	#3
WatDatThing Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 830	Very nice. Sent from my BLN-L24 using Tapatalk

08/31/2018, 04:13 AM	#5
blackgate Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 196	Man that is the exact color my LFS in TN is holding for me. I really like that foot color as I have had many purple bases and tan bases in the past and just wanted something different (I may be 80 yrs old before I find a red one). I think the white/cream base is really cool. I bet that color form will be wicked under some led actinic and given 6 more months to get established. Good luck and congrats!!

08/31/2018, 03:27 PM	#6
Kinetic Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 7,230	Looks great! My mag definitely didn't eat anything for weeks after being shipped, you should be fine. I also never feed my mag (it gets accidental bits, and 400 PAR of light). I think you could probably prep for a cipro treatment just in case (like have a tank, nem proof powerhead, and cipro). Best case, you never need to set it up.

09/12/2018, 06:35 PM	#13
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	I would not risk silversides, way too many nem keepers have had problems, including myself. Mysis, scallop, raw shrimp are all much better choices __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

09/12/2018, 09:00 PM	#14
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	If the food is not fit for me to eat, then it is not fit for my anemone to eat. Nice anemone. Don't feed him too much or he will quickly out grow your tank. __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

09/12/2018, 09:53 PM	#15
Kinetic Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 7,230	I never fed my mag. It seems totally fine with occasional pellets, poop, and light. Anyway, hottuna, the mag is looking great! If you feed it too much it'll definitely outgrow the tank

09/13/2018, 06:30 AM	#17
OrionN Moved on Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Coastal Texas Posts: 16,000	Fresh fish do not smell. Silverside being small frozen with guts intact spoil easy. Being pet food they do not get the care they need in transport. Also if they happen to get thawed out who ever in charge of them at the time just refreeze them. Because of all of the above more often then not by the time these silverside reach your anemone’s mouth they are not likely spoiled. Spoiled food will cause your anemone server problem if not killing them. In addition to this, the price of silverside at the LFS is about as much as sushi grade fish. Bad food that can kill anemones at an outrageous price. It is a wonder that they sell any. We eat fish and seafood a lot. I just cut off odds and ends for my fish and anemones. Great food at almost no cost to me. __________________ Minh My homepage is my album here at Reef Central Current Tank Info: Reboot 320 anemones reef. Angels: Yellow Chest Regal(2), Flame (2). Copperband But. Tangs: Yellow, Purple. Wrasse: about 20 wrasses various species. Anemones: Giantea X4 (Breen, Blue, Purple and Multicolors), Haddoni X1 Red, Magnifica X1 Purpletip

09/13/2018, 07:46 AM	#18
davocean Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 14,655	Yep, what Minh said. Many years ago I fed silvers to my nems, and I had seen comments about them causing harm, but did not think much of it having used them so long, but when I fed 3 healthy LTA's and watched all 3 contract, detach, and just melt away, well, that was the end of that. Too many safer options, not worth risk __________________ There's a fine line between owning your tank and your tank owning you! Current Tank Info: SCA 120g RR Starfire, Tunze silence 1073.02 return, 40g sump w/ fuge, SWC Extreme 160 cone skimmer,Geismann reflexx 4xT5, 2x Panorama Pro LED strips, Vortech MP40QD

09/13/2018, 12:56 PM	#19
WatDatThing Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 830	Good to know about the silversides. To date, I have only feed my nems market shrimp. I have been thinking of buying frozen silversides from Petco. Good thing I didn't. Sent from my BLN-L24 using Tapatalk

09/14/2018, 09:24 AM	#20
hottuna Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,248	Yes and my nem spit up the partially digested silverside the next morning ! and...it's mouth was distended for quite a few hrs afterward... so thats off the menu forever... __________________ HotTuna

09/27/2018, 10:52 AM	#21
Planetmacro Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 160	I feed my magnificas a very small clam once per week.

09/27/2018, 11:49 AM	#22
Insane_Realmz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 20	I'm cautious about market seafood. I've lost a few BTA's to market shrimp and clams. I suspect they are sprayed with some preservative so they can sit in the meat cooler longer. The poor nems would devour the food, only to sit drooping with mouth gaping open and innards hanging out a couple days after. I won't risk it with my Ritteri. He gets freshly caught wild salmon that I've frozen rock hard to be sure there's no bugs. Fresh fish does not stink. Another alternative are cleaned live Nightcrawlers from the bait store. You'll know a healthy worm when you see one. And since they're so fragile, I can assume they've got no harmful chemicals on them. But I like to use fresh fish when I can. Anybody have any other alternatives to getting SAFE foods to our nems?

09/27/2018, 11:51 AM	#23
Insane_Realmz Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 20	Minh, what are your choices to getting good, fresh, safe seafood for your nems?

09/28/2018, 10:17 AM	#24
D-Nak Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 5,797	A lot of seafood that's safe for human consumption is treated with STPP, a preservative that helps to maintain moisture (I think it adds water weight as well, so sellers make more money). I think it's the cause of the soapy feeling when rinsing frozen shrimp. Recently I've seen more places advertising "not treated with STPP" on their shrimp. Fortunately, in my area many stores sell "sushi-grade" fish including tuna, salmon, and other salt water fish. Most are flash frozen to kill parasites and are generally safe to feed nems. My go-to choices are wild salmon and "maguro" aka bluefin tuna. Recently I've been getting lazy and just shooting my gigs squirts of LRS Fertility Frenzy, because I feed it to my clownfish pairs. I also used LRS Fish Frenzy. Seems to work well and both foods include many different types of fish and other quality ingredients. __________________ Tank info: 120 gallon 48x30x20 high DT. Clownfish breeding rack in full swing: C-Quest Onyx, Bali Aquarich P1 Picasso + Rod's Onyx, wild percula + Rod's Onyx.

09/28/2018, 10:19 AM	#25
D-Nak Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Bay Area, CA Posts: 5,797	The mag looks great BTW. One of my favorite color morphs! __________________ Tank info: 120 gallon 48x30x20 high DT. Clownfish breeding rack in full swing: C-Quest Onyx, Bali Aquarich P1 Picasso + Rod's Onyx, wild percula + Rod's Onyx.