Reef Central Online Community

Home Forum Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences View New Posts View Today's Posts

Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Reefkeeping ...an online magazine for marine aquarists Support our sponsors and mention Reef Central

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community > More Forums > Reef Club Forums > SouthWest Region-Reef Club Forums > Central Oklahoma Marine Aquarium Society
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

Notices

Reply
Thread Tools
Old 02/21/2007, 05:05 PM   #1
pwhitby
Team RC Member

 
pwhitby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 9,206
Spontaneous Spawning of Six line wrasse and Yellow wrass

Several weeks ago I noticed my yellow wrasses displaying an odd behaviour. The T5s had just gone off and the yellow wrasse pair were shooting up to the surface of the water and back down into the rocks. They were also being chased by the other fish. So I looked closer. One of them was huge, looked exactly like a mollie does when gravid, a distended lower abdomen clearly full of eggs. The other fish was very much in attendance and leading the female up and down the water column. I ran and got camera, the results are fuzzy at best...but you can see her shape. I decided not to post the pictures at the time since they were not the greatest. Last night I changed my mind. Another wrasse pair (a sixline and a 4 line) were doing exactly the same. I had noticed the 4L flashing the 6L a while back and following her about. Last night as the T5s went out they began the same swoop and dive display, but with way more vigor than the yellows. These two would splash through the surface water every few mins. Again I ran for the camera and again ended up with fuzzy pics.....but im sure you will get the idea.

I do apologize for the lack of clarity, but with lowlights and extremely fast moving fish....it was tough.

First the yellows:
here you can see the swollen abdomen...





the male leading her up from the rocks:


and at the surface, just diving back down


a fuzzy pic, but clearly shows the gravid state.


and the six line
you can see the fish on the left has the swollen abdomen


returning from the top


ready to break the surface:


----I didnt try to catch eggs or anything, but it was fascinating.

The time between my t5s going off and the MH going off is about 5 mins. All the action took place in that 5 mins.

Paul.


__________________
Paul W Whitby Ph.D
pwhitby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/21/2007, 05:18 PM   #2
sadsak
Registered Member
 
sadsak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: OKLAHOMA CITY
Posts: 1,054
Wow Thats cool!


sadsak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/21/2007, 05:33 PM   #3
Briankook
Registered Member
 
Briankook's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Reading,PA
Posts: 901
So has anyone had success raising the fry of a wrasse?


__________________
Brian

Current Tank Info: 180 Gallon BB in wall..., 250 lbs.LR, 65 gallon fuge, 3,400W 10K XM Halides, 4, 160W VHO's on pulleys, Deltec 902 skimmer w/ozone, MAXCAP RODI autotopoff, 3 Tunzes & 1 Vortech
Briankook is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/21/2007, 06:02 PM   #4
BigScott
Registered Member
 
BigScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: norman , okla
Posts: 2,267
sweet pics paul..are ya gunna try an catch some eggs if it happens again>?..


scott


__________________
Big ScoTT

just stoppin in to say hello..

Current Tank Info: one 40 breeder,40 long sump..t5 lights an a 50 gallon in the works..if i ever get a truck to move it..
BigScott is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 08:37 AM   #5
Travis L. Stevens
Registered Member
 
Travis L. Stevens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Perry, OK
Posts: 13,933
Quote:
Originally posted by Briankook
So has anyone had success raising the fry of a wrasse?
Yes, for wrasses, and I don't know for these specific wrasse.


Paul W, not only is it absolutely awesome that you got the Yellow Coris to spawn, but you have got a six AND four line wrasse to spawn...together! i wonder what that hybridization would look like


__________________
Travis Stevens

Current Tank Info: Restarting 28g Bowfront
Travis L. Stevens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 09:28 AM   #6
pwhitby
Team RC Member

 
pwhitby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 9,206
Travis,
i was curious about that myself, Im assuming they are just morphs of the same species.


__________________
Paul W Whitby Ph.D
pwhitby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 09:47 AM   #7
Travis L. Stevens
Registered Member
 
Travis L. Stevens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Perry, OK
Posts: 13,933
No, Four Line and Six Lines are completely different species. There is also an Eight Line. Sometimes the Mystery Wrasse is called a Five Lined or Five Bar wrasse

Four Line Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus tetrataenia)
Five Line Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus ocellatus)
Six Line Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus hexataenia)
Eight Line Wrasse (Pseudocheilinus octotaenia)

So, not only would you might have first ever recorded breeding of these wrasses, but you might also have the first ever cross-breeding of those lined wrasses! I'm very excited for you. I hope it happens again and you have a video camera handy or a video option on your camera.


__________________
Travis Stevens

Current Tank Info: Restarting 28g Bowfront
Travis L. Stevens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 09:57 AM   #8
pwhitby
Team RC Member

 
pwhitby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 9,206
well....I really didnt do anything special at all....they seemed to take care of that part all on their own. it is curious though that both sets of wrasses have done this in a 4 week period. Maybe my christmas wrasses will have a go next...who knows.


__________________
Paul W Whitby Ph.D
pwhitby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 10:11 AM   #9
Travis L. Stevens
Registered Member
 
Travis L. Stevens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Perry, OK
Posts: 13,933
Paul, I have to say (as far as I've known) welcome to the "industry first" club. I can't find a single account of either Yellow Coris Wrasse, Six Line Wrasse, or Four Line Wrasse ever reported to breed in captivity. Here is a very long list of breedable fish, and only two wrasses are on there: Hogfish and Multicolorfin Wrasse.

http://www.rcthawaii.com/cvb/5.htm


__________________
Travis Stevens

Current Tank Info: Restarting 28g Bowfront
Travis L. Stevens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 10:16 AM   #10
jpitts101
Registered Member
 
jpitts101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ardmore
Posts: 1,177
if i got to look at Paul's tank everyday i would spawn too!!!!

i have 3 cleaner shrimp, two of which are constantly carrieing eggs, if i were a guru i would try to raise the larve but have no idea on how and whats going on.

congrats Paul, maybe you will find a few in your sump of fuge that made it!


__________________
J.D. Pitts
when in doubt pull it out!!!!

Current Tank Info: 180 sps dominant
jpitts101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 10:17 AM   #11
Travis L. Stevens
Registered Member
 
Travis L. Stevens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Perry, OK
Posts: 13,933
According to this site, http://www.timstropicals.com/Saltwat...se/SixLine.asp , and here, http://animal-world.com/encyclo/mari...LineWrasse.php , breeding Six Line Wrasse in captivity is not yet documented.

...and here; http://www.centralpets.com/animals/f...h/swf2346.html
"There is currently no special breeding information in our databases for this animal. To submit breeding / propagation information that is specific to this animal please click here"

Same thing with Four Line Wrasses

Yellow Wrasses are also not reported to have bred in captivity: http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/20...nftt/index.php
"Halichoeres chrysus (“Yellow Coris Wrasse”) – no confirmed spawning to date, but they do feed together and even though both are still very immature, one has already started displaying ”male” markings (red and green striping on the face and fins) and “flashes” often in the other’s presence."


__________________
Travis Stevens

Current Tank Info: Restarting 28g Bowfront
Travis L. Stevens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 10:21 AM   #12
pwhitby
Team RC Member

 
pwhitby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 9,206
I forgot to mention, that the male had changed color as well....he has the red and green flashes on his face. That change was almost coincident with the spawning.


__________________
Paul W Whitby Ph.D
pwhitby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 10:38 AM   #13
papagimp
COMAS Rocks!
 
papagimp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 8,191
Blog Entries: 2
Maybe you'll get a 10line wrasse from them

paul, if you ever want to try and catch some of those yellow wrasse eggs next time, I'd love to try and see what I can do with em. Not sure how they would handle relocation or anything, but man it would be cool to try. I'll want my Kreisel finished first, I think that would be the better way to go. Let me know if you are interested in a joint effort here.


__________________
58g Softie & 75g Stoney


Member, Central Oklahoma Marine Aquarium Society

Current Tank Info: 58g Mixed Reef Project - Started June 2011
papagimp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 10:53 AM   #14
Travis L. Stevens
Registered Member
 
Travis L. Stevens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Perry, OK
Posts: 13,933
Quote:
Originally posted by papagimp
Maybe you'll get a 10line wrasse from them

paul, if you ever want to try and catch some of those yellow wrasse eggs next time, I'd love to try and see what I can do with em. Not sure how they would handle relocation or anything, but man it would be cool to try. I'll want my Kreisel finished first, I think that would be the better way to go. Let me know if you are interested in a joint effort here.
Agreed. I'm up for attempting to raise them as well. As horrible as it sounds, as long as I can get a single one to adulthood, I would be happy.


__________________
Travis Stevens

Current Tank Info: Restarting 28g Bowfront
Travis L. Stevens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 11:12 AM   #15
jpitts101
Registered Member
 
jpitts101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ardmore
Posts: 1,177
paul, travis i have one yellow wrasse that has the green and red on the face and tail. are they not supposed to have these markings unless they are ready to spawn? mine changed colors on me a month or so ago. its a totally different color from when i bought it?


__________________
J.D. Pitts
when in doubt pull it out!!!!

Current Tank Info: 180 sps dominant
jpitts101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 11:15 AM   #16
Travis L. Stevens
Registered Member
 
Travis L. Stevens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Perry, OK
Posts: 13,933
It's most likely just signalling that it is a male that is old enough to spawn. There are lots of animals in the animal kingdom that show visual outward signs of reproductive readiness as they grow older. You also have to remember that most fish that you find in the aquarium industry are VERY young, and most aren't sexually active yet.


__________________
Travis Stevens

Current Tank Info: Restarting 28g Bowfront
Travis L. Stevens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 11:19 AM   #17
papagimp
COMAS Rocks!
 
papagimp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 8,191
Blog Entries: 2
Jpitts, keep me in mind if you ever decide to get rid of him. I've got only my one and after seeing Paul W's pair, I decided that it's another "pair" I want for my system. If coloring is an indication of sex in the older specimens, I may very well have a female, no red or green at all, and it's quite a bit bigger than the ones Paul has.


__________________
58g Softie & 75g Stoney


Member, Central Oklahoma Marine Aquarium Society

Current Tank Info: 58g Mixed Reef Project - Started June 2011
papagimp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 11:33 AM   #18
jpitts101
Registered Member
 
jpitts101's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Ardmore
Posts: 1,177
mine is probally 4 and a half to five inches and has beautifull orange and green stripes all the way down its body and through its tail. i have a peice for a digital camera (5.0 megapixels) so i cant zoom in and show you the colors. i need to get a better digital camera. if you really have to have it i will let you just to help the club and your project out, just as long as you replace it with another.


__________________
J.D. Pitts
when in doubt pull it out!!!!

Current Tank Info: 180 sps dominant
jpitts101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 11:36 AM   #19
papagimp
COMAS Rocks!
 
papagimp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 8,191
Blog Entries: 2
PM sent Jpitts. Lets discuss this one further.


__________________
58g Softie & 75g Stoney


Member, Central Oklahoma Marine Aquarium Society

Current Tank Info: 58g Mixed Reef Project - Started June 2011
papagimp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 12:31 PM   #20
pwhitby
Team RC Member

 
pwhitby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 9,206
Quote:
Originally posted by Travis L. Stevens
Paul, I have to say (as far as I've known) welcome to the "industry first" club. I can't find a single account of either Yellow Coris Wrasse, Six Line Wrasse, or Four Line Wrasse ever reported to breed in captivity. Here is a very long list of breedable fish, and only two wrasses are on there: Hogfish and Multicolorfin Wrasse.

http://www.rcthawaii.com/cvb/5.htm
Thats what i thought, As I said I was hesitant to post, but the pictures of the yellows wrasse really do show her with egss as opposed to fat from feeding.

When the six line spawned I had not actually fed the tank that day, so I know that was the case there as well. Their behaviour is very much different on the spawning night and all the other fish know food is about to appear.

I will try and video it next time (if there is a next time)...


__________________
Paul W Whitby Ph.D
pwhitby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 12:39 PM   #21
Travis L. Stevens
Registered Member
 
Travis L. Stevens's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Perry, OK
Posts: 13,933
In these pictures, it almost looks like there are eggs in the water column.





__________________
Travis Stevens

Current Tank Info: Restarting 28g Bowfront
Travis L. Stevens is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/22/2007, 05:08 PM   #22
Serra
Registered Member
 
Serra's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Oklahoma City
Posts: 2,221
I suggest Paul have us all over for happy hour and spawn watching at approximately 1 hour before his lights go off. Chairs lined up with spawning voyeurs, wine or beer in hands. Then Paul taking a bow for his fish after the show...name the date...I'm there. A little cheese platter would be nice too.

I have always said if you provide the correct environment, fish will spawn. Congrats Paul on providing a wonderful ecosystem for your fish and inverts!


__________________
Life is rather like a tin of sardines - we're all of us looking for the key.

Current Tank Info: 75 and 57 reef tanks. 57 and 37 freshwater garden tanks.
Serra is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02/23/2007, 11:25 AM   #23
papagimp
COMAS Rocks!
 
papagimp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 8,191
Blog Entries: 2
It's kinda hard to tell from those pictures people, but I saw that yellow wrasse in person with a little potbelly on her last time I was over there. She was simply radiant!

Paul, a video would be AWESOME!!!


__________________
58g Softie & 75g Stoney


Member, Central Oklahoma Marine Aquarium Society

Current Tank Info: 58g Mixed Reef Project - Started June 2011
papagimp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/29/2007, 09:16 AM   #24
pwhitby
Team RC Member

 
pwhitby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 9,206
Last night as I was cleaning the front acrylic I noticed the sixline was doing her potbellied mating dance again and the 8 line was flashing.....

well.....I also had fresh batteries in my camera so i managed to get a mini video of the whole event and actually recorded the spawning. I have yet to upload the video, but the female led the male upwards then they both broke the surface, almost leaping from the tank.....and then they split apart and went their separate ways. Im unsure if you can see any eggs at all, but she was a whole lot slimmer after that event, so the eggs went somewhere...maybe trapped in the surface tension of the water.

Ill upload the video later today and see what it looks like.

paul.


__________________
Paul W Whitby Ph.D
pwhitby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03/29/2007, 09:27 AM   #25
papagimp
COMAS Rocks!
 
papagimp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Oklahoma City, OK
Posts: 8,191
Blog Entries: 2
Awesome!!!


__________________
58g Softie & 75g Stoney


Member, Central Oklahoma Marine Aquarium Society

Current Tank Info: 58g Mixed Reef Project - Started June 2011
papagimp is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:09 PM.


TapaTalk Enabled

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef CentralTM Reef Central, LLC. Copyright 1999-2014