Mag mixing question

roxy25 · 06/19/2007, 08:31 PM

Ok I bought a kit but i mixed my Mg solution according to randy's article one gallon but when i go to your site its says makes 20oz ?

which is it ?

i nearly dose 1000 ml in my 30 gallon nano in the course of 2 days and my mg is still 935

Snarkys · 06/19/2007, 10:27 PM

which kit did ya buy ?

one of the normal kits comes with an appropriate amount of mag to be used with the calcium and magnesium bags and you mix the small bag of mag with 20oz of water. these kits are made for maintaining your levels once you already have them up where you want them.
http://www.twopartsolution.com/index...&products_id=5

the starter package is different . often when you are first staring you need a lot of mag to get the levels back up from where they are. For this reason we include enough to make a full gallon of mag solution (5 cups of mag chloride and 3 cups mag sulfate)
http://www.twopartsolution.com/index...products_id=71

the directions are mainly based around the portioned kits but also include directions for the bulk packaged items.
http://www.twopartsolution.com/index...in_page=page_4

roxy25 · 06/20/2007, 09:38 AM

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Originally posted by Snarkys
which kit did ya buy ?

one of the normal kits comes with an appropriate amount of mag to be used with the calcium and magnesium bags and you mix the small bag of mag with 20oz of water. these kits are made for maintaining your levels once you already have them up where you want them.
http://www.twopartsolution.com/index...&products_id=5

the starter package is different . often when you are first staring you need a lot of mag to get the levels back up from where they are. For this reason we include enough to make a full gallon of mag solution (5 cups of mag chloride and 3 cups mag sulfate)
http://www.twopartsolution.com/index...products_id=71

the directions are mainly based around the portioned kits but also include directions for the bulk packaged items.
http://www.twopartsolution.com/index...in_page=page_4

I bought the first one listed. I asked a ton a question before I bought the kit and nobody told me I needed the starter kit great

Snarkys · 06/20/2007, 11:33 AM

well ya don't "need" it .

main reason we offer it is because it often takes a lot of magnesium to raise the levels to 1300. We don't want to see people have to use most of the smaller magnesium packages in the kits just to get the levels up.

roxy25 · 06/20/2007, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Snarkys
well ya don't "need" it .

main reason we offer it is because it often takes a lot of magnesium to raise the levels to 1300. We don't want to see people have to use most of the smaller magnesium packages in the kits just to get the levels up.

I understand what you are saying but I bought the small kit and diluted in in one gallon of water so its useless now

Snarkys · 06/20/2007, 01:49 PM

nah, it's not useless : )

Think about it . you can dilute the bag of magnesium on 20oz of water or in one gallon of water , it is still the same amount of magnesium in that jug .

Normally when you are done with a gallon of alkalinity and calcium you would add the whole 20oz container of magnesium . instead you are going to add the full gallon that you made . The only difference is it has more water and the water will evaporate in the tank : )

roxy25 · 06/20/2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by Snarkys
nah, it's not useless : )

Think about it . you can dilute the bag of magnesium on 20oz of water or in one gallon of water , it is still the same amount of magnesium in that jug .

Normally when you are done with a gallon of alkalinity and calcium you would add the whole 20oz container of magnesium . instead you are going to add the full gallon that you made . The only difference is it has more water and the water will evaporate in the tank : )

so dump the whole gallon ?

i only have a 20 gallon nano with ten gallon sump

well its not a total gallon any more I used about 1000ml lol

Bebo77 · 06/20/2007, 02:01 PM

what was it that i told you again?...hmmmmm

roxy25 · 06/20/2007, 02:04 PM

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what was it that i told you again?...hmmmmm

lol shut up u didn't answer my question about the water volume .

all u said was to dump unknown amounts in my tank and you even said if I OD i can fix it lol yeah that sound real smart lol

Bebo77 · 06/20/2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by roxy25
lol shut up u didn't answer my question about the water volume .

all u said was to dump unknown amounts in my tank and you even said if I OD i can fix it lol yeah that sound real smart lol

LIAR...

roxy25 · 06/20/2007, 02:09 PM

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LIAR...

no I am not u said start dosing . I never dose with out getting some kind of idea on how much to dose. don't make me pull up the aim convo lol

Bebo77 · 06/20/2007, 02:11 PM

lol.. well in this case... dose all of it..

hmmm didnt i say something along those lines?

roxy25 · 06/20/2007, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by Bebo77
lol.. well in this case... dose all of it..

hmmm didnt i say something along those lines?

you told me to dose a lot lol how do i know what is a lot or too little with my tank ?
thats my concern

thats it no lessons of slr use and no idaho grape your on time out mister lol

Bebo77 · 06/20/2007, 02:24 PM

lol

Snarkys · 06/20/2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by roxy25
so dump the whole gallon ?

i only have a 20 gallon nano with ten gallon sump

well its not a total gallon any more I used about 1000ml lol

this is how it works . you mix up a gallon of alk and a gallon of calcium . when you completely empty both you add the magnesium . for you i would guess this would happen once every couple months. .

so when it comes time, empty the whole gallon of mag in there. you prolly evaporate a gallon a day so the extra water is no big deal .

BTW i don't think anyone should just go pouring anything in the tank when they don't know what they are doing and you are wise to question it but hes right in the fact that it it would prolly be OK to add the whole thing now and test where you are at. If you test now and it reads less than 1000 PPM mag then i would just add the whole thing now and test again the next day : )

roxy25 · 06/21/2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally posted by Snarkys
this is how it works . you mix up a gallon of alk and a gallon of calcium . when you completely empty both you add the magnesium . for you i would guess this would happen once every couple months. .

so when it comes time, empty the whole gallon of mag in there. you prolly evaporate a gallon a day so the extra water is no big deal .

BTW i don't think anyone should just go pouring anything in the tank when they don't know what they are doing and you are wise to question it but hes right in the fact that it it would prolly be OK to add the whole thing now and test where you are at. If you test now and it reads less than 1000 PPM mag then i would just add the whole thing now and test again the next day : )

i added the whole gallon in my tank and my mg is 1200 . so with the other kit I have how often do I add the mg? would I have to added it if I do a water change ?

Bebo77 · 06/21/2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by roxy25
i added the whole gallon in my tank and my mg is 1200 .

man, i am a genius...

roxy25 · 06/21/2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Bebo77
man, i am a genius...

for some one who owns tangs I find it funny how you didn't know what the spots by their tails where

LMAO genius

Like a said how genius is it to dump unknown amounts in your tank

Bebo77 · 06/21/2007, 02:32 PM

but i was right...

roxy25 · 06/21/2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Bebo77
but i was right...

only by chance LOL

Bebo77 · 06/21/2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by roxy25
only by chance LOL

Chance had no part of it my dear.. it was all skill...

roxy25 · 06/21/2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Bebo77
Chance had no part of it my dear.. it was all skill...

really so you have a nano ? lol

Bebo77 · 06/21/2007, 02:38 PM

lol... if you call my 14g a nano... then yes i do....

Snarkys · 06/21/2007, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by roxy25
i added the whole gallon in my tank and my mg is 1200 . so with the other kit I have how often do I add the mg? would I have to added it if I do a water change ?

OK you can either try and raise it to 1300 or just call 1200 good enough . Considering that a small percentage of reefers properly maintain magnesium , at 1200 you are prolly doing better than 95% of the people out there.

use this calculator to find out how much alkalinity and calcium you need to add to get to the proper levels. shoot for 7-11 dKH (alk) and 450ppm (calcium)
http://twopartvideo.com/calculator/tps_calculator.html

after that you just maintain these levels with daily additions.
at the bottom of this page you can see how much to start using every day . http://www.twopartsolution.com/index...in_page=page_4 . when you completely empty a full gallon of alk and a full gallon of calcium mix another package of mag up with 20oz of water and pour it in. Your tank doesn't use near as much magnesium as it does calcium and alkalinity.

BTW you are both right , it would be stupid to add a whole gallon of something to your tank because some stranger said so. Bebo is right because he know that if you had not been maintaining magnesium before it would be low and the diluted full gallon would never be enough to raise it to dangerous levels .

06/19/2007, 08:31 PM	#1
roxy25 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles California Posts: 3,137	Mag mixing question Ok I bought a kit but i mixed my Mg solution according to randy's article one gallon but when i go to your site its says makes 20oz ? which is it ? i nearly dose 1000 ml in my 30 gallon nano in the course of 2 days and my mg is still 935 __________________ Kerry Kerry, Ireland Kerry Blue Terrier Kerry Hill Current Tank Info: Shallow zoa tank

06/20/2007, 02:01 PM	#8
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06/20/2007, 02:11 PM	#12
Bebo77 Premium Nonpaying Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lost Posts: 14,896	lol.. well in this case... dose all of it.. hmmm didnt i say something along those lines? __________________ Gabriel Current Tank Info: 300 Gal Envision Tank(98Lx30Wx26T) 120 Gal SoCalCreations Sump, Deltec TC2560, 2 LumenarcsMini 1 Reg on a light mover W Radiums 250& 400, Gallaxy ballasts, Red Dragon 10m3 return W/ 2 WavySeas, 2 6155 Tunze streams

06/20/2007, 02:24 PM	#14
Bebo77 Premium Nonpaying Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lost Posts: 14,896	lol __________________ Gabriel Current Tank Info: 300 Gal Envision Tank(98Lx30Wx26T) 120 Gal SoCalCreations Sump, Deltec TC2560, 2 LumenarcsMini 1 Reg on a light mover W Radiums 250& 400, Gallaxy ballasts, Red Dragon 10m3 return W/ 2 WavySeas, 2 6155 Tunze streams

06/21/2007, 02:32 PM	#19
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06/19/2007, 10:27 PM	#2
Snarkys RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 5,371	which kit did ya buy ? one of the normal kits comes with an appropriate amount of mag to be used with the calcium and magnesium bags and you mix the small bag of mag with 20oz of water. these kits are made for maintaining your levels once you already have them up where you want them. http://www.twopartsolution.com/index...&products_id=5 the starter package is different . often when you are first staring you need a lot of mag to get the levels back up from where they are. For this reason we include enough to make a full gallon of mag solution (5 cups of mag chloride and 3 cups mag sulfate) http://www.twopartsolution.com/index...products_id=71 the directions are mainly based around the portioned kits but also include directions for the bulk packaged items. http://www.twopartsolution.com/index...in_page=page_4

06/20/2007, 11:33 AM	#4
Snarkys RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 5,371	well ya don't "need" it . main reason we offer it is because it often takes a lot of magnesium to raise the levels to 1300. We don't want to see people have to use most of the smaller magnesium packages in the kits just to get the levels up.

06/20/2007, 01:49 PM	#6
Snarkys RC Sponsor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 5,371	nah, it's not useless : ) Think about it . you can dilute the bag of magnesium on 20oz of water or in one gallon of water , it is still the same amount of magnesium in that jug . Normally when you are done with a gallon of alkalinity and calcium you would add the whole 20oz container of magnesium . instead you are going to add the full gallon that you made . The only difference is it has more water and the water will evaporate in the tank : )

06/21/2007, 02:38 PM	#23
Bebo77 Premium Nonpaying Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Lost Posts: 14,896	lol... if you call my 14g a nano... then yes i do.... __________________ Gabriel Current Tank Info: 300 Gal Envision Tank(98Lx30Wx26T) 120 Gal SoCalCreations Sump, Deltec TC2560, 2 LumenarcsMini 1 Reg on a light mover W Radiums 250& 400, Gallaxy ballasts, Red Dragon 10m3 return W/ 2 WavySeas, 2 6155 Tunze streams