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Old 08/13/2007, 03:28 PM   #1
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Exclamation Numb finger - did I get stung?

My right ring finger has been almost completely numb at the tip back to the back of my nail. The only visible signs of injury is a slight purple bruising on the underside of the middle section of the finger. There are no bite marks, scratches, redness or irritation otherwise. I've been doing lots of fragging and mounting over the weekend and rearranging lots of corals, but I don't remember ever feeling a pinch or anything painful. Is it likely that I got stung by something? I've never seen a bristleworm in my tank, and the only things in my tank that I think are known for stinging are my BTA and my elegance coral. But I've touched both of those many times before without ever having a reaction. Could it be zoas? I thought that the palytoxins in those were nothing to worry about.


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Old 08/13/2007, 03:33 PM   #2
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I was working with some of my live rock about 3 months ago and I picked a peice up and felt somthing funny, looked and saw nothing, about 3-4 minutes later I have a very numb middle finger from the tip -just past the nail similar to what you decribe, went away later that night but found it very odd.


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Old 08/13/2007, 03:40 PM   #3
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Could it be the rock? While you were moving about could you have stuck yourself on a small sharp peice of rock. There are alot of nerve endings in the finger if you get stuck in the right spot I wouldn't see why your finger wouldn't go numb for a short time....yes no ?? Hell I'm just a cook but those are my two cents


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Old 08/13/2007, 03:46 PM   #4
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I am sliced up all the time from work / other hobbies, never felt anything like that from a poke or scratch!


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Old 08/13/2007, 03:56 PM   #5
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I suppose that it could be rock, I have lots of Totoka which is extremely sharp. But I was getting my hands scratched up all the time when I was aquascaping and just got calloused from the thousands of miniature cuts - like micro paper cuts that didn't go through all of the layers of skin - never anything like this though with numbness and bruising.


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Old 08/13/2007, 04:14 PM   #6
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Same type of question... what can I expect to feel from a bristleworm sting?... A slight head-ache?... Numbness?... A trip to the hospital?


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Old 08/13/2007, 04:16 PM   #7
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bristleworms feel like brushing up against a plant with small stickers or something--just annoyance. I have bristles in my fingers as I type from moving rock on weekend--it's a pretty tiny pain--more like irritation.


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Old 08/13/2007, 04:17 PM   #8
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how long have you had numbness? is the numbness on all sides and equal? can you feel a pin *****? can you post a picture of both sides of your finger, including the purple area?


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Old 08/13/2007, 04:19 PM   #9
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Old 08/13/2007, 04:44 PM   #10
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I didn't notice the numbness until I woke up this morning. I thought it was asleep from laying on my arm funny, but it's gotten more numb as the day goes on, but it hasn't creeped - it's still just the tip section of the finger. I noticed the bruising after lunch when I was worried because of how annoying it is to type. It's not changed any in the past couple of hours.


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There is a thread on RC somewhere ,I can't find it .His symptons where like yours but the outcome would scare the hell out of you.I'd go to the doctor.


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Old 08/13/2007, 04:52 PM   #12
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I'm concerned that the numbness has worsened along with the development of bruising, you should be seen.


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Old 08/13/2007, 04:52 PM   #13
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I didn't notice the numbness until I woke up this morning. I thought it was asleep from laying on my arm funny, but it's gotten more numb as the day goes on, but it hasn't creeped - it's still just the tip section of the finger. I noticed the bruising after lunch when I was worried because of how annoying it is to type. It's not changed any in the past couple of hours. There's no needles or any sharp pains, just the slight feeling that's left behind when flesh is numbed like from lidocaine at the dentist or when a leg falls asleep. It's an equal numbness all around, but the bruising is dark purple though only mildly there like it's not real dense - it's the underside only of the middle section and only on one side of the finger going from the second knuckle and fading as it gets toward the third knuckle.


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Old 08/13/2007, 04:59 PM   #14
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Doglover, Ducttape will get the bristles out. Elmers glue works also but not quite as effective in my experience. It is less painful in the application though.


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Old 08/13/2007, 05:01 PM   #15
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the "bruising" is probably an infection traveling up the finger towards the hand, please go get seen, this could be serious


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Old 08/13/2007, 05:19 PM   #16
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I got a small sting a year or so ago from a brain coral. It started out with similar symptoms & I almost ended up needing to have my finger debrided. It was very alarming to say the least.
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Old 08/13/2007, 05:24 PM   #17
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Old 08/13/2007, 06:01 PM   #18
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I really can't even see the slightest wound on my skin, so I'm doubtful that it's an infection. Elliott, I see that you're an M.D., but to me it looks like if the bruising is traveling it is going downward toward the tip instead of back up. A few years back I was always getting myself busted up with deep gashes from fighting with katana swords and such and I'd usually just wrap it up and sleep on it and then only go to ER the next day if it was obvious that it wouldn't possibly heal on it's own. Once a wound was so deep that I needed double layered stitches and another time I got blood poisoning from a very small wound on my foot but I could tell because of the dark purple line that was traveling up my leg. I had upset bowels last night and woke up early this morning with my throat feeling like I was ill which may have from swelling of lymph nodes. But I'm okay now except for the numbness and the bruising - and the numbness is starting to subside. So I'll wait it out and go to the ER if I feel any cardiovascular related symptoms. I'm working double shifts this week to finish a project at work and nobody else does my job so there's noone to cover for me. That's a lame excuse to not see a doctor, but my guess is that I'd just waste a copay and many hours in the waiting room only to ultimately have just a mild bruise on my finger looked at. Would a doctor be able to do blood tests that screen for all of the possible types of marine toxins that might be the cause?


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Old 08/13/2007, 06:06 PM   #19
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Frizz, how long did it take to go from numbness and bruising to other symptoms, and what were the other symptoms?

My boss said that her husband got stung by something that he thought was an anemone while they were diving (but maybe it was an elegance coral or something that looks like an anemone). He had his thumb go totally numb later that day and it went away after a couple of days.


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Old 08/13/2007, 06:25 PM   #20
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It's been a long time so I don't really remember that much. I know that it started turning rashy red very quickly & the only sensation that I had for a couple of days was itching. . It never really bruised but got very swollen & extremely red & super itchy. Then it was painful but I think that most of the pain was swelling related. It itched me like crazy for weeks & when the skin started sloughing of course it was painful.
I got stung on the knuckle & the skin was broken ther in a tiny place from the skelleton of the coral. It swelled, bubbled & blistered. A situation that I don't care to ever repeat. I have a very very healthy respect for that coral now & never do anything near it in my tank without gloves.



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Old 08/13/2007, 08:26 PM   #21
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Hmm, yeah mine definitely isn't rash-like or itchy. I ran it under hot water for a few minutes earlier today which is when the numbness started to subside. Then it came right back within an hour or two. I just did that again and again the numbness has gone. So I'm hoping that if I do it a couple of more times it will flush out whatever toxin is there enough so that the circulation can continue in the area until the toxin is diluted and gone.


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Most likely a coral sting, just like fire coral


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Old 08/13/2007, 11:44 PM   #23
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Hmm, does anyone know anything about metal allergies? I wear a sterling ring on that finger and I'm wondering if maybe I'm developing an allergy to silver, nickel, or copper. I've worn the ring on that finger for years, but only been dealing with saltwater on a daily basis for the past 4 or 5 months. So I wonder if the saltwater is reacting to the alloy and causing the reaction - maybe it needed to build up over time and the large amount of contact from rearranging the tank this weekend finally triggered the reaction enough to notice. So it turns out that the other 7.5% of sterling is usually copper! Is it possible that the saltwater is reacting with the copper or other metals in these short amounts of time that I'm reefing to be affecting me or my tank's parameters? I'd be especially interested to hear of other accounts of metal rings causing circulation problems.


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Old 08/14/2007, 01:47 AM   #24
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Well something worked. I took off the ring and now an hour later the numbness is gone and the bruising is there but diminished.


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Thats only because it's dead and ready to fall off..


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