My Black Ocellaris pair are spawning!!! - Page 17

billsreef · 10/11/2008, 06:04 AM

Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institution.

http://www.hboi.edu/index_07.html

billsreef · 10/11/2008, 06:08 AM

What they are publicly best known for is the deep sea submersible, the Johnson Sea Link.

rkelman · 10/26/2008, 07:57 PM

I haven't updated in a while so here it goes. There really isn't much exiting going on. I keep having mediocre hatches and survival rates. I seem to be getting about 100 or so from each nest. The one hatch that had done really well had a tragedy when the heater malfunctioned and boiled the tank. I have one survivor. I had him in a plastic container with holes in it but he escaped through one of the holes. I put him back in and he escapes again. They don't seem to be bothering him so I stopped trying to protect him. My 25 gallon has quite a few that are almost ready for sale. They are looking really good and are a nice dark black. Some are even getting almost black in the face already which is a great sign. I currently have probably 600 in various stages of development. I'm collecting plumbing supplies so I can get everything hooked up on a central system. I think I'm going to drill the bottom of the tanks mainly because I don't have room behind them for the plumbing. I plan on 1" bulkheads all draining into a 2" drain. (all Schedule 40 of course) I'm going to have them just sit into the 2" T's with a bushing to help with salt spray as I've seen other do so I can just lift the tank off for cleaning / maintenance. The return is going to be 3/4 inch with ball valves over each tank to adjust flow. I have a Eheim 1262 for a return pump, Pentair Aquatics 40w sterilizer (needs bulb), and a Coralife SS220 Skimmer. This should work out good I figure my overall volume will be somewhere around 120 gallons. (I don't have a sump yet) I have 2 large pails of Bioballs and some rock to use for filtration as well. hopefully I will be able to cut back a bit on the water changes and save some salt / labour.

Here's my latest nest laid last Wed night. This is the biggest yet I think.

Here's some growout pictures. Various ages / sizes.

rkelman · 10/26/2008, 07:59 PM

Here's the big guys. Looking good.

Here's the little guy that thinks he's a big guy.

vaporize · 10/26/2008, 08:30 PM

Looking awesome Rob

Forgot if you mentioned in the earlier 17 pages, are you taking out the tile on hatching night or you using a snatcher?

rkelman · 10/27/2008, 04:33 AM

I'm taking the tile out on hatch night. I also forgot to mention I'm no longer blacking out the sides of the larvae tank. I haven't noticed any difference by not doing it. The fry haven't been sticking on the sides yet. I've found some hatches are more prone to doing that than others anyways. One less thing I have to do

Lifes A Beach · 10/27/2008, 05:46 AM

Nice pics! Keep up the good work!

--Barbara

vaporize · 10/27/2008, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rkelman
I'm taking the tile out on hatch night.

Do you run medium or low air bubbles on them? I tried to do that with my last batch but only half hatched.

(hahah yes, I have been only doing cup scooping)

dazed · 10/27/2008, 05:47 PM

WOW they look great; nice job, I am interested in how you decide on setting up the system as i keep thinking i want to do the same, just not sure how i want to set it all up at this point.

rkelman · 10/27/2008, 07:41 PM

Thanks Barbara

"Do you run medium or low air bubbles on them? I tried to do that with my last batch but only half hatched."

I'd say medium Hubert. I have them so the bubbles beat on the eggs pretty good. I'm getting only a couple that don't hatch. I've had less than perfect hatches with low bubbles. I'll try and get some pics Thursday night for you when I pull this tile.

Thanks dazed. It may be after christmas before its ready. I don't know. I don't really want them all joined together without having the uv running. I just don't think its going to be in the budget before then. I guess it depends on what I sell.

Kdocimo90 · 10/28/2008, 04:29 PM

can I ask you a favor rkelman... could you pm me a list of what you're using to cultivate these clownfish... If you have time. If you dont, I completely understand.

I just want to have a whole stock of stuff ready in case one day my GSM hatch a batch of eggs.

Thank you very much! and good luck with your clowns!

rkelman · 10/28/2008, 05:45 PM

If your clowns aren't laying eggs I wouldn't start buying stuff. Basically you can do it with a very short list of must haves.

5-15 gallon tank / container for Larvae / growout
Heater
Airstone
Sponge filter
Airpump
Phyto cultures or Instant Algae paste
Rotifers

vaporize · 10/28/2008, 06:15 PM

Quote:

I'd say medium Hubert. I have them so the bubbles beat on the eggs pretty good. I'm getting only a couple that don't hatch. I've had less than perfect hatches with low bubbles. I'll try and get some pics Thursday night for you when I pull this tile.

Thanks Rob, my tile had medium bubbles beating on it but not sure if I use too hard. VERY little seems to survive after that hatch night, not sure if it's because it actually 2nd hatch night. Seems like it spanned two in the last one.

Will see how your bubbles look like in your picture, thanks.

rkelman · 10/28/2008, 07:43 PM

2 nights sucks. I turn my bubbles down after they are hatched.. I think the amount of bubbles needed to keep the eggs aerated is too much for them as they are free swimming. Hmm. Maybe I'll borrow a camera from work and record a little video... My SLR doesn't do video.

fefo23 · 10/28/2008, 08:48 PM

This is one of the best thread i had seen exelent job thanks for shering with us keep the goog work, i hope one day i can do the same

sandman12 · 10/28/2008, 08:59 PM

this thread is awesome, your the man! What are each of the 5 15g's for?

6 man reef · 10/29/2008, 03:37 PM

What a fantastic read and so well photo documented.

Rick55555 · 10/29/2008, 11:58 PM

Rkelman,

I just spent the last 45 minutes or so reading this thread. It's definitely a page turner!

Congratulations on your continued success.

sandman12 · 10/30/2008, 11:32 AM

Are your clowns black ocellaris or black true percs. I see your title says ocellaris but LFS just said black clowns are true percs and come from aussy

vaporize · 10/30/2008, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sandman12
Are your clowns black ocellaris or black true percs. I see your title says ocellaris but LFS just said black clowns are true percs and come from aussy

obviously black ocellaris

timthetoolman · 10/30/2008, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sandman12
Are your clowns black ocellaris or black true percs. I see your title says ocellaris but LFS just said black clowns are true percs and come from aussy

Yah, that's not true. I think C-Quest has been breeding black O's since the early 80's.

sandman12 · 10/30/2008, 02:46 PM

thanks! (LFS is tipically wrong)

rkelman · 10/31/2008, 04:41 AM

Well I thought last night was hatch night... No hatch. I attached some pictures to show what I'm doing with the bubbles. You can see the little buggers lay the eggs right at the top which forces me to put more water in the larvae tank. I have to put the pop bottle cap between the tile and the glass to allow the bubbles to escape so they don't build up around the eggs. I forgot my camera from work so I could do a video. I'll try and remember tonight. I hope my eggs will hatch tonight. We'll see. I don't have a good feeling about them being under an airstone that long.

vaporize · 10/31/2008, 07:57 PM

Rob, how long have you keep them under airstone (just hatch night or a few nights prior also)?

rkelman · 11/01/2008, 04:41 AM

I've never had them over an airstone for more than just the hatch night. They did hatch last night and it looks like a complete hatch (only 5 unhatched mostly near the top edge) so 2 days is doable. Hopefully it doesn't affect the mortality rate. I remembered my camera from work and took a video last night to show you the speed of the bubbles.

10/11/2008, 06:04 AM	#401
billsreef Moderator 10 & Over Club Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Long Island, NY/North Miami Posts: 33,186	Harbor Branch Oceanographic Institution. http://www.hboi.edu/index_07.html __________________ Bill "LOL, well I have no brain apparently. " - dc (Debi) Current Tank Info: Far too many tanks according to my wife, LOL.

10/11/2008, 06:08 AM	#402
billsreef Moderator 10 & Over Club Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: Long Island, NY/North Miami Posts: 33,186	What they are publicly best known for is the deep sea submersible, the Johnson Sea Link. __________________ Bill "LOL, well I have no brain apparently. " - dc (Debi) Current Tank Info: Far too many tanks according to my wife, LOL.

10/27/2008, 05:47 PM	#409
dazed Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 1,767	WOW they look great; nice job, I am interested in how you decide on setting up the system as i keep thinking i want to do the same, just not sure how i want to set it all up at this point. __________________ ------- Chris Semper fidelis For my my build thread click the red house Current Tank Info: 100g with 30g sump. Lighting: Aquactinics MH/T5 (2) 175w Iwasaki 15k & giesemann t5 bulbs (1) Aqua Blue + & (1) pure actinic. Flow (2) Tunze 6101 w/7095 controller. Skimmer Msx 160, RK2

10/28/2008, 04:29 PM	#411
Kdocimo90 Superior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Stamford, CT Posts: 5,850	can I ask you a favor rkelman... could you pm me a list of what you're using to cultivate these clownfish... If you have time. If you dont, I completely understand. I just want to have a whole stock of stuff ready in case one day my GSM hatch a batch of eggs. Thank you very much! and good luck with your clowns! __________________ ¸.•´¯)¸.•´¯)¸.•´¯)¸.•´¯) VISIT MY HOME PAGE (¯´•.¸(¯´•.¸(¯´•.¸(¯´•.¸ ¸.•´¯)¸.•´¯)¸.•´¯)¸.•´¯) TO SEE MY 210G TANK (¯´•.¸(¯´•.¸(¯´•.¸(¯´•.¸ -Kevin Current Tank Info: 210 Gallon Softy/LPS Reef Tank

10/28/2008, 08:48 PM	#415
fefo23 Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: new jersey Posts: 318	This is one of the best thread i had seen exelent job thanks for shering with us keep the goog work, i hope one day i can do the same __________________ The more I read the more questions I have Current Tank Info: 75gal reef

10/26/2008, 07:57 PM	#403
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	I haven't updated in a while so here it goes. There really isn't much exiting going on. I keep having mediocre hatches and survival rates. I seem to be getting about 100 or so from each nest. The one hatch that had done really well had a tragedy when the heater malfunctioned and boiled the tank. I have one survivor. I had him in a plastic container with holes in it but he escaped through one of the holes. I put him back in and he escapes again. They don't seem to be bothering him so I stopped trying to protect him. My 25 gallon has quite a few that are almost ready for sale. They are looking really good and are a nice dark black. Some are even getting almost black in the face already which is a great sign. I currently have probably 600 in various stages of development. I'm collecting plumbing supplies so I can get everything hooked up on a central system. I think I'm going to drill the bottom of the tanks mainly because I don't have room behind them for the plumbing. I plan on 1" bulkheads all draining into a 2" drain. (all Schedule 40 of course) I'm going to have them just sit into the 2" T's with a bushing to help with salt spray as I've seen other do so I can just lift the tank off for cleaning / maintenance. The return is going to be 3/4 inch with ball valves over each tank to adjust flow. I have a Eheim 1262 for a return pump, Pentair Aquatics 40w sterilizer (needs bulb), and a Coralife SS220 Skimmer. This should work out good I figure my overall volume will be somewhere around 120 gallons. (I don't have a sump yet) I have 2 large pails of Bioballs and some rock to use for filtration as well. hopefully I will be able to cut back a bit on the water changes and save some salt / labour. Here's my latest nest laid last Wed night. This is the biggest yet I think. Here's some growout pictures. Various ages / sizes.

10/26/2008, 07:59 PM	#404
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Here's the big guys. Looking good. Here's the little guy that thinks he's a big guy.

10/26/2008, 08:30 PM	#405
vaporize Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto, ON Canada Posts: 741	Looking awesome Rob Forgot if you mentioned in the earlier 17 pages, are you taking out the tile on hatching night or you using a snatcher?

10/27/2008, 04:33 AM	#406
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	I'm taking the tile out on hatch night. I also forgot to mention I'm no longer blacking out the sides of the larvae tank. I haven't noticed any difference by not doing it. The fry haven't been sticking on the sides yet. I've found some hatches are more prone to doing that than others anyways. One less thing I have to do

10/27/2008, 05:46 AM	#407
Lifes A Beach Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: By the Beach, Florida Posts: 1,391	Nice pics! Keep up the good work! --Barbara

10/27/2008, 07:41 PM	#410
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Thanks Barbara "Do you run medium or low air bubbles on them? I tried to do that with my last batch but only half hatched." I'd say medium Hubert. I have them so the bubbles beat on the eggs pretty good. I'm getting only a couple that don't hatch. I've had less than perfect hatches with low bubbles. I'll try and get some pics Thursday night for you when I pull this tile. Thanks dazed. It may be after christmas before its ready. I don't know. I don't really want them all joined together without having the uv running. I just don't think its going to be in the budget before then. I guess it depends on what I sell.

10/28/2008, 05:45 PM	#412
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	If your clowns aren't laying eggs I wouldn't start buying stuff. Basically you can do it with a very short list of must haves. 5-15 gallon tank / container for Larvae / growout Heater Airstone Sponge filter Airpump Phyto cultures or Instant Algae paste Rotifers

10/28/2008, 07:43 PM	#414
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	2 nights sucks. I turn my bubbles down after they are hatched.. I think the amount of bubbles needed to keep the eggs aerated is too much for them as they are free swimming. Hmm. Maybe I'll borrow a camera from work and record a little video... My SLR doesn't do video.

10/28/2008, 08:59 PM	#416
sandman12 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 1,693	this thread is awesome, your the man! What are each of the 5 15g's for? __________________ Support aquaculturing! DIY pro ( el-cheapo) Current Tank Info: 90g softy,29g bio cube FS

10/29/2008, 03:37 PM	#417
6 man reef Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Jersey Posts: 142	What a fantastic read and so well photo documented.

10/29/2008, 11:58 PM	#418
Rick55555 Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 421	Rkelman, I just spent the last 45 minutes or so reading this thread. It's definitely a page turner! Congratulations on your continued success.

10/30/2008, 11:32 AM	#419
sandman12 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 1,693	Are your clowns black ocellaris or black true percs. I see your title says ocellaris but LFS just said black clowns are true percs and come from aussy __________________ Support aquaculturing! DIY pro ( el-cheapo) Current Tank Info: 90g softy,29g bio cube FS

10/30/2008, 02:46 PM	#422
sandman12 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 1,693	thanks! (LFS is tipically wrong) __________________ Support aquaculturing! DIY pro ( el-cheapo) Current Tank Info: 90g softy,29g bio cube FS

10/31/2008, 04:41 AM	#423
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Well I thought last night was hatch night... No hatch. I attached some pictures to show what I'm doing with the bubbles. You can see the little buggers lay the eggs right at the top which forces me to put more water in the larvae tank. I have to put the pop bottle cap between the tile and the glass to allow the bubbles to escape so they don't build up around the eggs. I forgot my camera from work so I could do a video. I'll try and remember tonight. I hope my eggs will hatch tonight. We'll see. I don't have a good feeling about them being under an airstone that long.

10/31/2008, 07:57 PM	#424
vaporize Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Toronto, ON Canada Posts: 741	Rob, how long have you keep them under airstone (just hatch night or a few nights prior also)?

11/01/2008, 04:41 AM	#425
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	I've never had them over an airstone for more than just the hatch night. They did hatch last night and it looks like a complete hatch (only 5 unhatched mostly near the top edge) so 2 days is doable. Hopefully it doesn't affect the mortality rate. I remembered my camera from work and took a video last night to show you the speed of the bubbles.