My Black Ocellaris pair are spawning!!! - Page 25

jtreefdweller · 04/07/2009, 09:05 PM

Are all the fry and juveniles that you are raising from one breeding pair of clowns? If so I am going to have to completely rethink my breeding system plans.

rkelman · 04/08/2009, 04:35 AM

Yep they are all from one pair.

masharp1126 · 04/23/2009, 01:33 PM

Just spent the past week reading through your thread, as well as FB's and Dazed's. Excellent reads, 3 of the most interesting I've read in quite a while. I'm currently working on setting up my new display, but hope to give this a try when things settle down.

In reading each thread, it's amazing how one person can have such bad luck while another seems to progress with very little. It's crazy how many little things there are that can affect the outcome of each clutch.

Great read, time for an update.

rkelman · 04/23/2009, 03:54 PM

Its very rewarding. Thanks for the compliment. I'll update this weekend maybe. You are right its time.

rkelman · 05/04/2009, 06:12 PM

Nothing really new on the Black O's. I have been having a nagging problem with one tank of death that I can't seem to lick. I put my new Ocellaris in the display so I decided to take 1/2 the fry from the TOD and put them in the QT. I hadn't realized how many fish there were. I'm now thinking it may have been low Oxygen. Today they look pretty good. Not perfect but much better overall.

As I said I put the new ones in the display. The black O's quickly asserted their dominance. The other ones kept bugging but kept getting chased back. When I put them in I had them in a big net and netted them over the bubble hoping they would take to it right away and make a home. They didn't.

Tonight the female is now in the bubble! My wife Msn'd me today and said she looked like she got into the carpet and was covered in white and hiding in the rocks not looking good. She figured she would die. By the time I got home she was being hosted by the bubble with very little white still on her. I she chases the male away when he comes near. Oh and the bubble is looking less bleached now. I do like the bleached colour more though. Here's some pics.

dazed · 05/08/2009, 12:53 PM

rkelman, cool pictures, it's been a couple of days now, has the (2) groups made there peace in the tank?

kerusso316 · 05/08/2009, 03:50 PM

The O in that first pic looks pretty sick.You may want to check that.Good luck.

rkelman · 05/08/2009, 08:03 PM

Dazed: They have made peace. The female regular O is now tolerating the male near her anenome so they are staying together again. He did spend a couple nights near the carpet and the Black O's at first. They had decided to stop chasing him away.

Kerusso316: She was severely stung by the carpet the day I took that pic and by the next day was completely recovered and is perfect again. (i qt'd these fish so I know there was no Disease) Thanks

gotfrogs · 06/14/2009, 04:43 PM

rkelman, my black clowns laid their first set of eggs on Friday. Do you think it is possible to order everything online that would be needed to rear this batch or am I too late?

I have read all 25 pages of this post (started way back when you 1s got started) but unfortunately don't remember 90% of it!

rkelman · 06/14/2009, 05:51 PM

Not likely gotfrogs.. I started a couple days after my first hatch and barely saved any. And I picked up my supplies. Your best bet would be to try and get Rotifers / Phyto locally. Try local reef clubs / lfs and ask around. I'd be glad to help if you have any questions. You can post here or pm me.

New Jer-Z · 06/14/2009, 06:57 PM

Wow is all i can say. Great job with all the grows.

gotfrogs · 06/14/2009, 09:33 PM

I am trying to put together a list of things to order. At first glance on http://www.reed-store.comit looks like the supplies are going to be expensive. From the quick re-review of this thread I have come up with needing to order the following items.

Otohime â€“ I see that there are several different types. Which one do I need and how much should I order to get started?
Roti Diet - How much should I order to get started?
nanno 3600 nannochioropsis algae â€“ Do I need this in addition to the Roti Diet?

I have on hand or can buy locally air pumps, tanks, heater, and other basic supplies. I will try and get rotifers from a fellow hobbyist. Surly someone in Houston has some that they are willing to share. If not is there a certain type that I should order? Is there anything else that I should order online tonight that I canâ€™t get locally? Thanks for your help, I hope I have 1/100th of the success that you have had! If I have not told you before, you are the reason I have a pair of black clowns and a blue carpet.

Here are two pictures from Friday, the eggs are naw gray/brown in color.

I will take this off line to a new thread if I have any luck with them. Thanks again!

rkelman · 06/15/2009, 04:32 AM

Get the Otohime Starter pack. That will be enought to get you going. Then you can decide what sizes you want to keep in stock later.

I use Rotifer Diet but I think the Nanno 3600 may be more efficient. (i'm not sure. Use either of those) You'll go through quite a bit so I would think the 1l package would be the best buy. (that's how I buy it)

Nice carpet. That tank is small for a carpet though.

Order a rotifer screen too. Screening the Rots with a coffee filter is a real pain.

gotfrogs · 06/15/2009, 06:43 AM

Thanks rkelman. I ordered the supplies and started my own thread.

rkelman · 07/08/2009, 06:37 PM

I'm having smaller fry die on a regular basis in 2 tanks now. They are getting thin and dieing. One tank is on the growout system and all of the older clowns are fine. I'm not getting cloudy water or anything but I'm loosing 5-10 a day. If anyone has any advice / suggestions I would appreciate it. I can't seem to get control of it.

Lifes A Beach · 07/08/2009, 07:48 PM

How old are the fry that are dying?

rkelman · 07/09/2009, 05:17 AM

About 3 months I`d say average. Some are only 2 some are 4.

Zoom · 07/09/2009, 07:41 AM

I will do a internal parasite treatment?

dazed · 07/09/2009, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rkelman
About 3 months I`d say average. Some are only 2 some are 4.

Well that sounds familiar except i have to substitute the whole batch instead of 5-10. Wish i could figure it out as well; does all of the water parameters check out?

rkelman · 07/09/2009, 04:42 PM

I've treated with Prazi pro and yes all params are in check.

rkelman · 07/27/2009, 07:03 PM

Well its been a REALLY long time since I've updated. I'm on holidays now so I figured I should give an update. Since I've added the Percs to my display the Black O's have only laid eggs once. They haven't laid in almost 2 months now. They are cleaning the tile now so its coming in the next few days. I've started dosing vodka so perhaps that has helped him out some

Its funny the BTA was a beautiful light green. (which should have been my first clue) It was bleached. Now its back to its natural colour I guess which is not that nice. He's grown like crazy and hasn't moved from the rock I bought him on. Here's a pic.

I just got these guys from a local reefer yesterday and they are beautiful. He splits them to sell. The green guy has stayed where I put him. The red one ran for cover last night. Its further down the tank peeking out of a hole. My wife thinks it looks good on me because I put the Red one (I wanted) out front in a prime location and the green one (she wanted) is hidden behind my large finger leather. I actually didn't do it on purpose as I fully expect they will move around anyways.

I put some Caulerpa (2 types) in my fuge and it grew like crazy then died a few weeks later.. Very strange. My next generation pair is doing well. The female is noticeably larger. The fuge looks gross because of all the nutrients in the system. Its likely a waste of time as the volume of fuge I would need to do any good on a system like this would be huge.

Here it is the way it looks right now. Its really not a bad thing they haven't laid in a while. Unless I make my bathroom sink into a growout tank I have no where to put them anyways.

I also had a total Rot meltdown. I couldn't save anything. I think I need to be careful not to get any of my main tank water in with them as there is something there that seems to prey on the Rots. I put some of the crashed culture in a jar and I could see white specks that weren't rots. I added phyto / clean water and nothing happened they just went away. Obviously whatever it is doesn't filter feed but eats Rots. I begged some from the guy I got the BTA's from again last week and I have 2 buckets going strong now. I'll start another one probably tomorrow so I'm ready for this batch. Which BTW I haven't decided to raise yet...

Oh I almost forgot. I kicked the problem I was having with the 2-3 month old guys getting skinny and dying.. Melafix.. Go figure.

landlord · 07/28/2009, 04:55 AM

The last picture is what happens when a zebra falls in a blender

You still got some room in there! That tank on the left is 10 cm from the top. Pleanty of room for more.

Looks very nice

Kurt

rkelman · 07/28/2009, 05:40 AM

Lol. Thanks Kurt. As these guys get bigger there is less and less room. Soon they won't be able to turn around

dazed · 07/30/2009, 04:48 PM

rkelman they look great. No need for them to turn around

I wish we did not have to deal with the whole customs thing i would take a pair in a second.

rkelman · 07/30/2009, 08:59 PM

Thanks Dazed. Ya customs is a pain.

Good news I have eggs! They laid today.

04/23/2009, 01:33 PM	#603
masharp1126 Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Allen, TX Posts: 187	Just spent the past week reading through your thread, as well as FB's and Dazed's. Excellent reads, 3 of the most interesting I've read in quite a while. I'm currently working on setting up my new display, but hope to give this a try when things settle down. In reading each thread, it's amazing how one person can have such bad luck while another seems to progress with very little. It's crazy how many little things there are that can affect the outcome of each clutch. Great read, time for an update. __________________ Mark Marineland 300dd in the works. 10'x15' fishroom, 3 400W MH's w/ Lumenarc III's, PFO 400w HQI ballasts, Reef Octopus Dual Chamber CARx, SRO 5000INT Skimmer, RKE

05/08/2009, 12:53 PM	#606
dazed Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 1,767	rkelman, cool pictures, it's been a couple of days now, has the (2) groups made there peace in the tank? __________________ ------- Chris Semper fidelis For my my build thread click the red house Current Tank Info: 100g with 30g sump. Lighting: Aquactinics MH/T5 (2) 175w Iwasaki 15k & giesemann t5 bulbs (1) Aqua Blue + & (1) pure actinic. Flow (2) Tunze 6101 w/7095 controller. Skimmer Msx 160, RK2

07/28/2009, 04:55 AM	#622
landlord Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Alexandria, KY Posts: 1,940	The last picture is what happens when a zebra falls in a blender You still got some room in there! That tank on the left is 10 cm from the top. Pleanty of room for more. Looks very nice Kurt __________________ Forget the Turtle Man, you got the Coral Man Live Action Fragging! Current Tank Info: 90 Gallon SPS Reef (Sump, Fuge, Skimmer, CX reactor, Chemical filtration, Overflow) by Lifereef, 2x400W 20K Radiums on IceCaps, 2x39W T5 "For fun", RK2, 4x Tunze 6055, Aqua Logic 1/3 HP Chiller, DIY RO/DI ATO 2-Part via Litermeter. Lotsa Clownfish

07/30/2009, 04:48 PM	#624
dazed Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 1,767	rkelman they look great. No need for them to turn around I wish we did not have to deal with the whole customs thing i would take a pair in a second. __________________ ------- Chris Semper fidelis For my my build thread click the red house Current Tank Info: 100g with 30g sump. Lighting: Aquactinics MH/T5 (2) 175w Iwasaki 15k & giesemann t5 bulbs (1) Aqua Blue + & (1) pure actinic. Flow (2) Tunze 6101 w/7095 controller. Skimmer Msx 160, RK2

04/07/2009, 09:05 PM	#601
jtreefdweller Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: MA Posts: 148	Are all the fry and juveniles that you are raising from one breeding pair of clowns? If so I am going to have to completely rethink my breeding system plans.

04/08/2009, 04:35 AM	#602
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Yep they are all from one pair.

04/23/2009, 03:54 PM	#604
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Its very rewarding. Thanks for the compliment. I'll update this weekend maybe. You are right its time.

05/04/2009, 06:12 PM	#605
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Nothing really new on the Black O's. I have been having a nagging problem with one tank of death that I can't seem to lick. I put my new Ocellaris in the display so I decided to take 1/2 the fry from the TOD and put them in the QT. I hadn't realized how many fish there were. I'm now thinking it may have been low Oxygen. Today they look pretty good. Not perfect but much better overall. As I said I put the new ones in the display. The black O's quickly asserted their dominance. The other ones kept bugging but kept getting chased back. When I put them in I had them in a big net and netted them over the bubble hoping they would take to it right away and make a home. They didn't. Tonight the female is now in the bubble! My wife Msn'd me today and said she looked like she got into the carpet and was covered in white and hiding in the rocks not looking good. She figured she would die. By the time I got home she was being hosted by the bubble with very little white still on her. I she chases the male away when he comes near. Oh and the bubble is looking less bleached now. I do like the bleached colour more though. Here's some pics.

05/08/2009, 03:50 PM	#607
kerusso316 Moved On Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Around NICE people only/ OT Buss Driver Posts: 1,261	The O in that first pic looks pretty sick.You may want to check that.Good luck.

05/08/2009, 08:03 PM	#608
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Dazed: They have made peace. The female regular O is now tolerating the male near her anenome so they are staying together again. He did spend a couple nights near the carpet and the Black O's at first. They had decided to stop chasing him away. Kerusso316: She was severely stung by the carpet the day I took that pic and by the next day was completely recovered and is perfect again. (i qt'd these fish so I know there was no Disease) Thanks

06/14/2009, 04:43 PM	#609
gotfrogs Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dickinson, TX Posts: 1,058	rkelman, my black clowns laid their first set of eggs on Friday. Do you think it is possible to order everything online that would be needed to rear this batch or am I too late? I have read all 25 pages of this post (started way back when you 1s got started) but unfortunately don't remember 90% of it!

06/14/2009, 05:51 PM	#610
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Not likely gotfrogs.. I started a couple days after my first hatch and barely saved any. And I picked up my supplies. Your best bet would be to try and get Rotifers / Phyto locally. Try local reef clubs / lfs and ask around. I'd be glad to help if you have any questions. You can post here or pm me.

06/14/2009, 06:57 PM	#611
New Jer-Z Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Brunswick, Ohio Posts: 88	Wow is all i can say. Great job with all the grows.

06/14/2009, 09:33 PM	#612
gotfrogs Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dickinson, TX Posts: 1,058	I am trying to put together a list of things to order. At first glance on http://www.reed-store.comit looks like the supplies are going to be expensive. From the quick re-review of this thread I have come up with needing to order the following items. Otohime â€“ I see that there are several different types. Which one do I need and how much should I order to get started? Roti Diet - How much should I order to get started? nanno 3600 nannochioropsis algae â€“ Do I need this in addition to the Roti Diet? I have on hand or can buy locally air pumps, tanks, heater, and other basic supplies. I will try and get rotifers from a fellow hobbyist. Surly someone in Houston has some that they are willing to share. If not is there a certain type that I should order? Is there anything else that I should order online tonight that I canâ€™t get locally? Thanks for your help, I hope I have 1/100th of the success that you have had! If I have not told you before, you are the reason I have a pair of black clowns and a blue carpet. Here are two pictures from Friday, the eggs are naw gray/brown in color. I will take this off line to a new thread if I have any luck with them. Thanks again!

06/15/2009, 04:32 AM	#613
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Get the Otohime Starter pack. That will be enought to get you going. Then you can decide what sizes you want to keep in stock later. I use Rotifer Diet but I think the Nanno 3600 may be more efficient. (i'm not sure. Use either of those) You'll go through quite a bit so I would think the 1l package would be the best buy. (that's how I buy it) Nice carpet. That tank is small for a carpet though. Order a rotifer screen too. Screening the Rots with a coffee filter is a real pain.

06/15/2009, 06:43 AM	#614
gotfrogs Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dickinson, TX Posts: 1,058	Thanks rkelman. I ordered the supplies and started my own thread.

07/08/2009, 06:37 PM	#615
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	I'm having smaller fry die on a regular basis in 2 tanks now. They are getting thin and dieing. One tank is on the growout system and all of the older clowns are fine. I'm not getting cloudy water or anything but I'm loosing 5-10 a day. If anyone has any advice / suggestions I would appreciate it. I can't seem to get control of it.

07/08/2009, 07:48 PM	#616
Lifes A Beach Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: By the Beach, Florida Posts: 1,391	How old are the fry that are dying?

07/09/2009, 05:17 AM	#617
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	About 3 months I`d say average. Some are only 2 some are 4.

07/09/2009, 07:41 AM	#618
Zoom Premium Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: S.N.J Posts: 6,536	I will do a internal parasite treatment?

07/09/2009, 04:42 PM	#620
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	I've treated with Prazi pro and yes all params are in check.

07/27/2009, 07:03 PM	#621
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Well its been a REALLY long time since I've updated. I'm on holidays now so I figured I should give an update. Since I've added the Percs to my display the Black O's have only laid eggs once. They haven't laid in almost 2 months now. They are cleaning the tile now so its coming in the next few days. I've started dosing vodka so perhaps that has helped him out some Its funny the BTA was a beautiful light green. (which should have been my first clue) It was bleached. Now its back to its natural colour I guess which is not that nice. He's grown like crazy and hasn't moved from the rock I bought him on. Here's a pic. I just got these guys from a local reefer yesterday and they are beautiful. He splits them to sell. The green guy has stayed where I put him. The red one ran for cover last night. Its further down the tank peeking out of a hole. My wife thinks it looks good on me because I put the Red one (I wanted) out front in a prime location and the green one (she wanted) is hidden behind my large finger leather. I actually didn't do it on purpose as I fully expect they will move around anyways. I put some Caulerpa (2 types) in my fuge and it grew like crazy then died a few weeks later.. Very strange. My next generation pair is doing well. The female is noticeably larger. The fuge looks gross because of all the nutrients in the system. Its likely a waste of time as the volume of fuge I would need to do any good on a system like this would be huge. Here it is the way it looks right now. Its really not a bad thing they haven't laid in a while. Unless I make my bathroom sink into a growout tank I have no where to put them anyways. I also had a total Rot meltdown. I couldn't save anything. I think I need to be careful not to get any of my main tank water in with them as there is something there that seems to prey on the Rots. I put some of the crashed culture in a jar and I could see white specks that weren't rots. I added phyto / clean water and nothing happened they just went away. Obviously whatever it is doesn't filter feed but eats Rots. I begged some from the guy I got the BTA's from again last week and I have 2 buckets going strong now. I'll start another one probably tomorrow so I'm ready for this batch. Which BTW I haven't decided to raise yet... Oh I almost forgot. I kicked the problem I was having with the 2-3 month old guys getting skinny and dying.. Melafix.. Go figure.

07/28/2009, 05:40 AM	#623
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Lol. Thanks Kurt. As these guys get bigger there is less and less room. Soon they won't be able to turn around

07/30/2009, 08:59 PM	#625
rkelman Registered Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Belleville, Ontario Canada Posts: 3,438	Thanks Dazed. Ya customs is a pain. Good news I have eggs! They laid today.