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Old 06/25/2009, 08:54 AM   #1
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The angel thread to end all angel threads: all owners of angelfish in reefs respond!!

The same thread is going in General Reef Discussion. PLEASE POST IN ONLY ONE THREAD.

Alright,

I think we are all tired of seeing threads asking about the reefsafeness of angels.

If you own or have owned an angel in a reef in the past, post:

1. What kind of angel
2. Wether it was reef-safe
3. If it was not reef-safe, what did it eat?

I am going to make an excel spreadsheet with a simple yes and no column for reefsafeness of every angel. Then I can easily calculate the percent of a given species that are reefsafe. We can also see if there are any trends in #3 - for example "75% reef safe, except for zoanthids, only %20 safe" or something like that.

Of course this is not foolproof, depends on a lot of things, fish can change, etc, but it's better than nothing.


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I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple."

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Old 06/25/2009, 09:07 AM   #2
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Define "reef-safe"... to me it means that the fish will pick here and there, but will not devastate a coral, however some people want "full SPS P.E." all the time and would not consider a fish that picks "reef-safe".

Michael's (michael cb 125) signature says it best, "All fish are semi-reef safe."


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Old 06/25/2009, 09:59 AM   #3
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blueface in a lps/softy tank for 2 years and no problem at all.


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Old 06/25/2009, 10:38 AM   #4
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Flame angel in 75 gallon reef for 10 months with no problems at all.


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Old 06/25/2009, 10:45 AM   #5
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Cherub Angel - lps/ Softies - Reef Safe

Coral Beauty - LPS/ Softies - Reef Safe

Flame Angel - Not reef safe - picked at sps, plate coral


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Old 06/25/2009, 11:13 AM   #6
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i got a flame angel with a bunch of softies...never bothers them.


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Old 06/25/2009, 11:30 AM   #7
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I've had many different angles over the years in my reef tank, so here we go:

1. Watanbei (M & F) w/LPS, SPS, Softies, Zoas & Clam; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 6 months

1. Watanbei (F) w/LPS, SPS, Softies, Zoas & Clam; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 6 months

1. Blackspot (F) w/LPS, SPS, Softies, Zoas & Clam; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 1 year

1. Lamarck (F) w/LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe*; 3. Nothing

1. Flame Angel w/LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Semi-Reef Safe; 3. Xenia and ocational nip at others, but no visable damage - 2 years

1. Singapore w/LPS, Softies & Zoas; Reef Safe*; 3. Nothing

* Fish died in about a month of being in the tank, so I'm not sure if this fish would have been Reef Safe long term.

LPS = Hammer, Frogspawn, Torch, Bubble & Galaxea
SPS = Misc. Digi's
Softies = Leather, Kenya Tree, Yellow Polyps, Mushrooms & Ricordea
Zoas = Misc. colors
Clam = Crocea (4")


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Old 06/25/2009, 12:06 PM   #8
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I like falconut's format

1. Flame Angel w/SPS, LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe 3. Nothing - 2 years

LPS = Favia, Bubble & frogspawn
SPS = Acropora, millipora, motipora, pocillipora, digitata, turbinaria
Softies = Leather, Kenya Tree, Mushrooms, zoanthids. gsp
Clam = Crocea (4")


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Old 06/25/2009, 12:25 PM   #9
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1. coral beauty and flame angel w/ sps, lps, softies/zoas 2. Reef safe


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Old 06/25/2009, 12:28 PM   #10
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1. Flame Angel w/SPS, LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe 3. Nothing - 2 years

LPS = Favia, Bubble & frogspawn, acans, scoly
SPS = Acropora, digita, pavona, cyphestrea
Softies = Leathers, gsp, zoas, mushrooms, sinularia, palys, xenia, anthelia, cespitularia, clove polyps


note: if something is damaged/dying she nips occasionally at the algae growing on the dead/dying part. She has only ever nipped at unhealthy corals


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Old 06/25/2009, 01:07 PM   #11
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1 conspic,2 regals,1 scribbles,1 goldflake, 1 majestic,1 queen all are safe with SPS in my tank but I would not trust any of them with LPS or Zoo's.


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Old 06/25/2009, 02:35 PM   #12
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1. Coral Beauty w/SPS, LPS, Softies & Zoas; 2. Reef Safe; 3. Nothing - 2 years

LPS = Acans, Duncan, Blasto
SPS = Monti digitata, Monti encrusting, and Monti cap, Green Slimer
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Old 06/25/2009, 04:47 PM   #13
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Angels

Regal: SPS safe only, loves LPS, soft corals and zoanthids - 2yrs
Majestic: SPS safe only, see above - 1.5yrs
Golden Pygmy: SPS safe - 1.2yrs
Lemonpeel hybrid: Safe with all corals, SPS, LPS, and soft corals/zoanthids - 8mos
Multicolor angel - SPS safe - 6mos
Coral Beauty - SPS, LPS, soft corals safe - 2 years


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Old 06/25/2009, 08:30 PM   #14
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Great Thread and it should be an interesting spread Sheet!

I have a 3" Regal Angel that i've had for about a year, and a 4.5" Beautiful Goldflake Angel that i've had for around 6 months!

I have them both in my SPS Tank becuase i just dont trust the angels with my LPS.


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Old 06/25/2009, 08:37 PM   #15
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I really like the idea of this thread. I can't wait to see some input on trimacs.

1. Cherub Pygmy: safe -- only had three months -- Zoas, SPS, LPS, softies, never with clams

2. Potter's: safe -- going on 9 months, 2-3" -- Zoas, SPS, LPS, softies, clams, won't even touch macro or nori sheets


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Old 06/26/2009, 07:00 AM   #16
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Another Coral Beauty, IME Reef Safe with, lots of SPS, LPS, the few softies I've tried but never kept long term, RBTA, clams, gorgs, zoas, sponges. Just at five years now.


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Old 06/26/2009, 09:08 AM   #17
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All data up to this point entered (i.e. a bookmark for myself).

So far, A LOT more safe than not. Interesting.

FWIW, I will enter my experiences:

Majestic Angel - Safe in a reef for 4 years, but suspected in a clam death (lived with one for months, but seemed opportunistic)

Coral Beauty - was given to me because he was nipping SPS in a mixed reef, he's fine in my softy tank.


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I remember when zoanthids were called things like "green" and "orange" and not "reverse gorilla nipple."

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Old 06/26/2009, 09:11 AM   #18
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1. Potters - not reef safe - 1 year* - ate lps and gorgonians, left softies and clam alone
2. Flagfin - not reef safe - 9 months - nips sps, eats lps, anthelia, xenia, leaves zoanthids and clam alone
3. Majestic - mixed - 2 months, still very small - nips at zoas, starting to hover near sps
4. Cherub - reef safe - one year* - was in with lps, softies, and a few sps, ate nothing

* I lost the cherub in a return pump malfunction and the potters in a heat wave while on vacation. The others are fish I have now.


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Old 06/26/2009, 04:24 PM   #19
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1.) Emperor (juv.) - safe with gorgonia, sarcophyton, anemones, mushrooms.
2). Majestic - same.
3). Meredith (juv) - same.

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Old 06/26/2009, 04:57 PM   #20
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Flame angel - 4 years, LPS and softies...NOT reef safe.

I had this flame with an open brain for years without incident. It recently killed it. My other open brain is fine, as are the rest of my LPS.


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Old 06/26/2009, 05:09 PM   #21
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I think you are still going to find that angle's are 50/50 either way.
I had a coral beauty once, thaught he was picking on my zoas but but one day I noticed him alittle closer and it was actually nipping at the algea that was trying to grow around the zoas.


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Old 06/27/2009, 09:51 AM   #22
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Here is my experience thus far with angels in reefs:

Centropyge bispinosa, Coral Beauty, 2 years, LPS+Softies, reef safe
Centropyge woodheadi, Black tip heralds, 4 years, Softies, reef safe
Paracentropyge multifasciata, Multi-barred angel, 2 years, LPS+Softies, reef safe


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Old 06/27/2009, 12:26 PM   #23
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I have Potter¡¯s Angel , Flame Angel and Coral Beauty in my 65G mix reef with no problem


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Old 06/27/2009, 05:40 PM   #24
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Flame Angel= 3 years Reef Safe

I have Zoos, Lps= chalices, scolys, duncans, open brains, red gionoporas, coco worms, etc.


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Old 06/27/2009, 07:19 PM   #25
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Cherub Angel C. argi. 3 years. So far reef safe ( as far as I trust the term which is not much.)
False Perc A. ocellaris = My clown IS NOT Reef safe. Will kill any hard coral she can to protect her "anemones" .

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I threw that clown in there to illustrate a point, no fish is actually REEF SAFE in the sense of being harmless.


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