Nepthia and Toadstool in SPS tanks

Dyraxe · 09/07/2009, 01:35 AM

I have a neon green Nepthia tree coral and a neon green Toadstool in my tank. They are in my tank with about 70 plus different SPS. I am now starting to think maybe I should remove them to be on the safe side before anything happens with toxins. What does everyone think about my situation? Should they stay or go? So far I have no problems but I would hate to have one and lose a coral. If I decide to remove them how should I do this? The rock it is on can not be moved/removed FYI.

Stanley-Reefer · 09/07/2009, 04:22 AM

as long as you run carbon and remove any sheddings you'll be okay.

I have a green toadstool that actually bends around a large colony of Hawkin's blue and another pink on in the same tank that avoids a blue voodoo.

Have another in the larger tank, but it's alone in the lower corner.

mark728 · 09/07/2009, 08:34 AM

Hi over the past 9 years I've always had nepthea in my sps tanks what I do is I use Boyd's Chemi-Pure 1 or 2 bags it depends on the tank and I've never had any problems here are some pics of my 120g tech and a old 46g bow sps tank .

my old 46g bow sps and nepthea

Frags in that tank waiting to go in the 120 tech

Dyraxe · 09/07/2009, 12:57 PM

Very nice tanks guys! I do run Bio Chem Zorb 24/7 which is very similar to Boyds Chemi-Pure. The Toadstool will drop babies every 2 to 3 months. I think it likes to drop babies so much because it is in high flow and feels threaten, so it is trying to pass on its life. I guess I will remove them before they get big. There are 3 babies growing on the bottom of the tank now. I plan to just pull them up with tongs since they are only 2 inches or less each. Maybe a water change too. Is there any special care I need to do to remove them?

luther1200 · 09/07/2009, 03:21 PM

I used to have a large Sarcophyton in my 65. I removed it because I was having some issues and suspected it was the problem. I haven't really had any bleachings since I removed it, and Iran carbon in a reactor 24/7.

When I removed it I just cut around the bottom as close to the LR as I could get with a brand new razor blade. It was much easier than I thought it was going to be. I refilled my reactor with ROX carbon right before I did it to be safe and nothing happened.

Toadally · 09/07/2009, 09:32 PM

Just run carbon and you should be fine. jmo

divewsharks · 09/08/2009, 03:01 AM

I have a nepethea, toadstool and sinularia in my 90G with lots of SPS, have yet to ever run into any issues.

Mr. Thingdoer · 09/08/2009, 03:19 AM

My opinion is "why take the chance"?

Allelopathy has been proven to occur in mixed reef. Nepthea has been proven to be one of the most harmful to SPS, especially Acropora and Montipora.

I had a major issue on an a 24 gallon. I had a Nepthia melt and almost wipe my tank out. Luckily more than half of my corals survived, thanks to massive water changes two days in a row, but I did loose a few really nice pieces that I liked a heck of a lot more than the Nepthea.
I was running two bags of Purigen, and Chemipure.

divewsharks · 09/08/2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Mr. Thingdoer
My opinion is "why take the chance"?

Allelopathy has been proven to occur in mixed reef. Nepthea has been proven to be one of the most harmful to SPS, especially Acropora and Montipora.

I had a major issue on an a 24 gallon. I had a Nepthia melt and almost wipe my tank out. Luckily more than half of my corals survived, thanks to massive water changes two days in a row, but I did loose a few really nice pieces that I liked a heck of a lot more than the Nepthea.
I was running two bags of Purigen, and Chemipure.

Always a safe plan, my leathers just happen to pre-date my SPS, and i liked them so they got to stay.
having said that, i will be moving the sinularia to a biocube i am setting up that will be only softies, possibly the toadstool as well.

Stanley-Reefer · 09/08/2009, 01:05 PM

The problem was probably what was it that made your leather melt! That along with it's rot.....

Mr. Thingdoer · 09/09/2009, 04:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stanley-Reefer
The problem was probably what was it that made your leather melt! That along with it's rot.....

What made the Nepthea melt was most likely the same type of bacterial infection that most Nepthea eventually succumb to. Once this infection grabs hold, it's just a matter of hours before the entire colony releases all of its terpenoid and sarcophine compounds into the water, then dies. If you're away like I was, then you've got quite a mess to clean when you get back.

acrylic_300 · 09/09/2009, 07:13 AM

I have had a variety of leathers for the past 4 years and the only time one melted was when the tank overheated.

Mr. Thingdoer · 09/09/2009, 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by acrylic_300
I have had a variety of leathers for the past 4 years and the only time one melted was when the tank overheated.

Yeah, they're very sensitive to that. I lost some great blue anthelia because of a 6˚ temp swing once.

rob gwiz · 05/12/2013, 10:24 AM

Wow, everyone seems to have better knowledge then me on the nepthia. My son left me a large specimen when he went to the Air Force and I had to move it in the tank because it was covering my Frogs Spawn. It won't come back. I have the same light and I only turned the rock it was on 180degrees to move him to the back of the tank. He is shrung up, heavy green in color and now rusty brown tips are showing up.. What is going on???????

smtank · 05/12/2013, 06:46 PM

Tried to give it more flow if you moved it to an area of lower flow.

Checking water chemistry is a good place to trouble shoot.

09/07/2009, 01:35 AM	#1
Dyraxe FAOIS Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,582	Nepthia and Toadstool in SPS tanks I have a neon green Nepthia tree coral and a neon green Toadstool in my tank. They are in my tank with about 70 plus different SPS. I am now starting to think maybe I should remove them to be on the safe side before anything happens with toxins. What does everyone think about my situation? Should they stay or go? So far I have no problems but I would hate to have one and lose a coral. If I decide to remove them how should I do this? The rock it is on can not be moved/removed FYI.

09/07/2009, 08:34 AM	#3
mark728 Premium Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 499	Hi over the past 9 years I've always had nepthea in my sps tanks what I do is I use Boyd's Chemi-Pure 1 or 2 bags it depends on the tank and I've never had any problems here are some pics of my 120g tech and a old 46g bow sps tank . my old 46g bow sps and nepthea Frags in that tank waiting to go in the 120 tech __________________ 120g tech 2 X 250W Reeflux 10k, Center,400w Reeflux 20k ,GEO618,2 Vortechs/1VHO Actinic,3Ati Blue+ 54w T5,2 Fiji purp 54w T5,Octo Extreme 250 Skimmer w/purp/pinwheels,130+ lbs Marco rock,200 + lbs sand,Mag 18,Sps & Nepthea Current Tank Info: 120g TECH SPS & GREEN LEATHERS,NEPTHEA & SINULARIA

09/07/2009, 03:21 PM	#5
luther1200 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NJ, shore Posts: 4,388	I used to have a large Sarcophyton in my 65. I removed it because I was having some issues and suspected it was the problem. I haven't really had any bleachings since I removed it, and Iran carbon in a reactor 24/7. When I removed it I just cut around the bottom as close to the LR as I could get with a brand new razor blade. It was much easier than I thought it was going to be. I refilled my reactor with ROX carbon right before I did it to be safe and nothing happened. __________________ Matt, 65G reef tank Current Tank Info: 65g reef, mix of sps, lps, few softies. Hoping to upgrade within the year.

09/07/2009, 09:32 PM	#6
Toadally Registered Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Salisbury, NC Posts: 986	Just run carbon and you should be fine. jmo __________________ _Michael "Who was the first person to look at a cow and say, "I think I'll squeeze these dangly things here, and drink whatever comes out?" Reef Aquarium Society of Charlotte (RASOC) Treasurer Current Tank Info: 57gal. Illuminata, Bubble Magus Skimmer, Tek Elite 6x39w, 40gal. Breeder, 2x A150w Kessil LED

09/08/2009, 03:19 AM	#8
Mr. Thingdoer Don't ban me bro Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Streamwood Posts: 951	My opinion is "why take the chance"? Allelopathy has been proven to occur in mixed reef. Nepthea has been proven to be one of the most harmful to SPS, especially Acropora and Montipora. I had a major issue on an a 24 gallon. I had a Nepthia melt and almost wipe my tank out. Luckily more than half of my corals survived, thanks to massive water changes two days in a row, but I did loose a few really nice pieces that I liked a heck of a lot more than the Nepthea. I was running two bags of Purigen, and Chemipure. __________________ "I will see you there, or I will see you on another time" Current Tank Info: 40 Breeder, 33 gallon sump, 36" Nova Extreme Pro, Vertex IN80 skimmer, Vortech MP20, ReefKeeper Lite, BRS reactor, mixed LPS and SPS

09/07/2009, 04:22 AM	#2
Stanley-Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Stanley, NC Posts: 2,012	as long as you run carbon and remove any sheddings you'll be okay. I have a green toadstool that actually bends around a large colony of Hawkin's blue and another pink on in the same tank that avoids a blue voodoo. Have another in the larger tank, but it's alone in the lower corner.

09/07/2009, 12:57 PM	#4
Dyraxe FAOIS Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,582	Very nice tanks guys! I do run Bio Chem Zorb 24/7 which is very similar to Boyds Chemi-Pure. The Toadstool will drop babies every 2 to 3 months. I think it likes to drop babies so much because it is in high flow and feels threaten, so it is trying to pass on its life. I guess I will remove them before they get big. There are 3 babies growing on the bottom of the tank now. I plan to just pull them up with tongs since they are only 2 inches or less each. Maybe a water change too. Is there any special care I need to do to remove them?

09/08/2009, 03:01 AM	#7
divewsharks Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,857	I have a nepethea, toadstool and sinularia in my 90G with lots of SPS, have yet to ever run into any issues.

09/08/2009, 01:05 PM	#10
Stanley-Reefer Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Stanley, NC Posts: 2,012	The problem was probably what was it that made your leather melt! That along with it's rot.....

09/09/2009, 07:13 AM	#12
acrylic_300 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Moberly, Mo Posts: 877	I have had a variety of leathers for the past 4 years and the only time one melted was when the tank overheated.

05/12/2013, 10:24 AM	#14
rob gwiz Registered Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Colorado Posts: 2	Nepthia Help needed Wow, everyone seems to have better knowledge then me on the nepthia. My son left me a large specimen when he went to the Air Force and I had to move it in the tank because it was covering my Frogs Spawn. It won't come back. I have the same light and I only turned the rock it was on 180degrees to move him to the back of the tank. He is shrung up, heavy green in color and now rusty brown tips are showing up.. What is going on???????

05/12/2013, 06:46 PM	#15
smtank Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 517	Tried to give it more flow if you moved it to an area of lower flow. Checking water chemistry is a good place to trouble shoot.