Feeding question

Ahwagirl · 12/24/2009, 04:36 PM

Hi everyone,

I have two, female, 5-month old h. erectus (got them about 2 weeks ago). They are eating frozen mysis for me well. The only thing I'm wondering is how many times a day I should be offering food. The breeder said 3x a day. Then a SH book I have said make sure the food is available 15-20 minutes each time. I am putting in about 1 tsp. of frozen mysis and they go after it, but it seems to be over in about 3-5 minutes. Frequent water changes don't bother me-- I do 10-15% every week in my 56 gallon (my other tank). So if I overfeed the SHs I'm not too worried about the tank, because I clean frequently anyway. Hopefully we won't have an issue with the uneaten food polluting the water.

How many times a day, how much, and for how long should I feed? I know that one of the biggest issues with successfully keeping SHs is keeping them well fed. And I've read so much conflicting info!

I wanted to get some input from others that have these wonderful little creatures.

TIA!
Jill

ChadTheSpike · 12/24/2009, 05:44 PM

First I would recommend target feeding with a turkey baster or something like that (this way you can make sure all the food you add gets eaten), besides the SHs will soon recognize the turkey baster and come as fast as they can when they see it!!!

Here is what works for me: I dont think that there is an amount that can be specified like feed each SH x amount... its more of a feel and observation than specifics. Feed until your SHs bellies are well rounded. For my adult erectus, that is usually 5-8 (or so) large mysis shrimp soaked in a beta gluten based vitamin 'dust'. Most days I feed twice a day, but occasionally they only get fed once a day (I would recommend twice). I also culture amphipods that I periodically add to my fuge to keep the SHs fed when I cant feed twice a day (or occasionally miss a day).

I would try to avoid uneaten food if possible, its better for you and the SHs in the long run.

Congrats on the new SHs!!! when can we see pics???!

Ahwagirl · 12/25/2009, 06:49 AM

Thanks for the info, Chad. The turkey baster is an idea I'd heard of before. I tried it the first few days they were here when they were eating rather sketchy but they are doing well now. They seem to like to going after them at their sslllooooowwwww pace. I just wondered how much and how often. Sounds like if they get 5-8 mysis at each feeding they should be good. I'll keep you all posted.

Here are some pics.

rayjay · 12/25/2009, 06:52 AM

I think hobbyists are divided on this one.
I feed 3 times a day, but I don't have any pod life for them to eat.
Some of my seahorses will go to a feeding dish so that the uneaten food can be easily removed before decaying, but even after a long period of time, many will not, so I've discontinued using the dishes.
Now I have to be diligent about tank cleaning and I vacuum at least once a day, all the uneaten food I can find. I also use a battery water filler that I like better than a turkey baster, to blow off the trapped food from in and on the rock work, let settle, and remove.
Even with this, I sometimes get an ammonia problem so to be sure, I test for ammonia very frequently in all the tanks.

rayjay · 12/25/2009, 06:54 AM

Is that an "unprotected heater" I see in the pictures?

cykenp · 12/25/2009, 01:26 PM

I agreed with Chad, as long as you see their bellies are nice and full, you have some nice happy seahorses!

Peka · 12/25/2009, 08:39 PM

I feed both my erectus and reidi adults 2 times a day. I used feeding dishes in all of my tanks so that I can clean out any uneaten food. I turn the filters off and leave the food in the tank for at least an hour so the SH have time to all come to the dish and eat.

Ahwagirl · 12/26/2009, 02:41 PM

Thanks for the advice, everyone. So far they are very good eaters and seem to be happy girls. I am thinking of moving over my watchman goby as I'm not sure he's getting enough to eat in the 56 gal (the midas blenny and coral beauty are pigs!!). So as soon as he's swimming around and I can get to him I may move him to the SH tank and see how they all do. I can always move him back if needed.

Rayjay-- please elaborate on the unprotected heater thing.....

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Originally Posted by rayjay

Is that an "unprotected heater" I see in the pictures?

rayjay · 12/26/2009, 03:11 PM

By unprotected heater I mean a heater that a seahorse can wrap a tail on and possibly get burned when it is hot.
There are sleeves that can be installed to prevent this.
Preferably there would be no heater at all in their tank.
I keep fans blowing on my tanks to keep them cooler than the room is. Preferred temperatures would be 68° to 74°F.
While I have heaters in all my reef tanks, there are none in any of my seahorse tanks.

Ahwagirl · 12/26/2009, 07:12 PM

Will I need to buy a new heater or can someone suggest an online place to find sleeves?

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayjay

By unprotected heater I mean a heater that a seahorse can wrap a tail on and possibly get burned when it is hot.
There are sleeves that can be installed to prevent this.
Preferably there would be no heater at all in their tank.
I keep fans blowing on my tanks to keep them cooler than the room is. Preferred temperatures would be 68° to 74°F.
While I have heaters in all my reef tanks, there are none in any of my seahorse tanks.

rayjay · 12/26/2009, 07:32 PM

Why do you need a heater?

Ahwagirl · 12/26/2009, 08:40 PM

Challenges keeping the temps down in the summer.... so if I don't keep the water at a steady 76 or so, there will be a big jump between now and summer. I use a fan to keep the temp within an acceptable range in the summer, but the local breeder I got them from indicated it would be better to keep the temperature steady year round. So the heater keeps the tank at 76/77 in winter and the fan does the same in the summer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rayjay

Why do you need a heater?

FishGrrl · 12/27/2009, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ahwagirl

Challenges keeping the temps down in the summer.... so if I don't keep the water at a steady 76 or so, there will be a big jump between now and summer. I use a fan to keep the temp within an acceptable range in the summer, but the local breeder I got them from indicated it would be better to keep the temperature steady year round. So the heater keeps the tank at 76/77 in winter and the fan does the same in the summer.

That is probably THE reason to keep a heater on a seahorse tank: temperature stability. Its not so much that seahorses would never experience temperature fluctuations in the wild; but in a small volume of water the temperature can change quite rapidly.

As rayjay said, you can get a heater guard, and I would highly recommend one. Seahorses don't seem to realize when they're hitched to a heater that they're getting burned until its too late.

Ahwagirl · 12/27/2009, 10:11 AM

Thanks, Tami. Any idea (online) where to get one? Or should I try Petco, etc. I don't think my LFS has them... never seen them before anyway.

Or do I need to buy one of those units already insulated?

Quote:

Originally Posted by FishGrrl

That is probably THE reason to keep a heater on a seahorse tank: temperature stability. Its not so much that seahorses would never experience temperature fluctuations in the wild; but in a small volume of water the temperature can change quite rapidly.

As rayjay said, you can get a heater guard, and I would highly recommend one. Seahorses don't seem to realize when they're hitched to a heater that they're getting burned until its too late.

breutus · 12/27/2009, 12:01 PM

I feed mine on a pretty funny schedule I feed two times one day, one time the next day. But I also have the tank full of different macros and have a refugium hooked directly to there tank with pod condos in it lol, so i get a lot of life they hunt for in the tank.

I also use the feeding dish method, and have 2 Caribbean peppermint shrimps to help eat left over food and produce larve that the seahorse eat as well, if you put peppermint shrimp in they should be Caribbean and not east Atlantic or Florida picked ones which is what most the lfs sell commonly

last but not least I have three black mollies in this tank that produce young every couple of weeks that the SH seem to devour at a very young age lol, they do not eat any of the SH food it's actually funny to watch one about to give birth because both the SH would go and sit by her where ever she goes lol

wow actually listing it all out lol I think my SH eat alot lol, I always feel like im under feeding hahaha

Ahwagirl · 12/28/2009, 08:41 PM

I decided to add a skunk shrimp yesterday as I'd read that the bode well with SH's and do a good job of cleaning up. I also have decided to feed the girls 2 times a day (but a bit more) and see how they do.

Thanks for the advice, everyone. I'm still looking around for a heater sleeve.

Elysia · 12/29/2009, 10:26 AM

I wouldn't worry that your tank is going to have seasonal temp variations. Again, that is just me (someone who admittedly has "reef" animals in a tank that is currently "cold" -- approx. 66 degrees; the tank is known to hit 75 degrees during summer heat waves as we do not have air conditioning, but these changes are gradual through the season.)

ILoveSeahorses · 01/02/2010, 10:13 PM

I feed my horses 2-3 times a day. Normally 3 times... and 2 if I'm not able to be home. I used to feed mysis, then tried mini mysis... however they seem to like Arcti Pods a lot better and they're doing excellent on it! I also have Copepods in my tank..

dapettit · 01/04/2010, 04:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peka

I feed both my erectus and reidi adults 2 times a day. I used feeding dishes in all of my tanks so that I can clean out any uneaten food. I turn the filters off and leave the food in the tank for at least an hour so the SH have time to all come to the dish and eat.

Feeding dish, please elaborate. Any pics?

Dave-

Paul B · 01/04/2010, 05:39 AM

Seahorses don't have a true stomach, only a short tube so they have almost no capacity to store food. If you ever dove with them, you will see them eat or try to eat something all day. They eat very little at each meal because they can't dijest very much at all. All of that extra food they are eating at one meal will not be dijested.
Like mandarins, they should be fed as often as possable. They will of course live on a meal twice a day but less food, more times a day is much more natural for them.
I have collected them numerous times here in NY and raised them to adulthood.
I even invented and patented a feeder for them that would feed them live brine shrimp all day. We no longer feed live brine shrimp so I don't sell the thing any more. Mysis is much better for them.

http://www.breedersregistry.org/Arti...l_b/paul_b.htm

FishGuy5 · 01/04/2010, 09:22 AM

Paul-great article and invention!! Have you developed anything or heard of anything to do the same concept for mysis? TIA

Paul B · 01/04/2010, 01:20 PM

No, mysis would be tough because the brine shrimp are alive and soft.
I sold over 6,000 of them.
I don't keep seahorses anymore, when I collect them, I just give them away.
I do keep bluestriped pipefish but I hatch baby brine every day for them.

namxas · 01/04/2010, 01:40 PM

our SH tanx are fed once a day, but they are aquascaped with lots of macroalgae so the SH can hunt at their leisure (and they certainly do). it's really fun to watch them being "patient" when they see a pod that they REALLY want but just can't quite reach.

by all means, do invest in a heater guard and drop the temp a couple of degrees. i've seen too many burned SH in the ER on the SH site.

Aqua_boy · 01/05/2010, 02:47 AM

Young Hippocampus erectus may feed for as long as ten hours of each day and consume up to 3600 baby brine shrimp during that time.

namxas · 01/05/2010, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aqua_boy

Young Hippocampus erectus may feed for as long as ten hours of each day and consume up to 3600 baby brine shrimp during that time.

with the exception of zots, a 5 mo old SH should no longer be on BBS. however, fry tanx should be fed at least twice a day and any leftover BBS removed prior to the next day's first feeding as their nutritional value declines rapidly.

12/24/2009, 04:36 PM	#1
Ahwagirl Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 132	Feeding question Hi everyone, I have two, female, 5-month old h. erectus (got them about 2 weeks ago). They are eating frozen mysis for me well. The only thing I'm wondering is how many times a day I should be offering food. The breeder said 3x a day. Then a SH book I have said make sure the food is available 15-20 minutes each time. I am putting in about 1 tsp. of frozen mysis and they go after it, but it seems to be over in about 3-5 minutes. Frequent water changes don't bother me-- I do 10-15% every week in my 56 gallon (my other tank). So if I overfeed the SHs I'm not too worried about the tank, because I clean frequently anyway. Hopefully we won't have an issue with the uneaten food polluting the water. How many times a day, how much, and for how long should I feed? I know that one of the biggest issues with successfully keeping SHs is keeping them well fed. And I've read so much conflicting info! I wanted to get some input from others that have these wonderful little creatures. TIA! Jill

12/24/2009, 05:44 PM	#2
ChadTheSpike Reef Engineer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Washington DC Posts: 1,535 Blog Entries: 1	First I would recommend target feeding with a turkey baster or something like that (this way you can make sure all the food you add gets eaten), besides the SHs will soon recognize the turkey baster and come as fast as they can when they see it!!! Here is what works for me: I dont think that there is an amount that can be specified like feed each SH x amount... its more of a feel and observation than specifics. Feed until your SHs bellies are well rounded. For my adult erectus, that is usually 5-8 (or so) large mysis shrimp soaked in a beta gluten based vitamin 'dust'. Most days I feed twice a day, but occasionally they only get fed once a day (I would recommend twice). I also culture amphipods that I periodically add to my fuge to keep the SHs fed when I cant feed twice a day (or occasionally miss a day). I would try to avoid uneaten food if possible, its better for you and the SHs in the long run. Congrats on the new SHs!!! when can we see pics???! __________________ ~Chad "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies." Current Tank Info: 195 gallons of fun

12/25/2009, 06:52 AM	#4
rayjay Premium Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,981	I think hobbyists are divided on this one. I feed 3 times a day, but I don't have any pod life for them to eat. Some of my seahorses will go to a feeding dish so that the uneaten food can be easily removed before decaying, but even after a long period of time, many will not, so I've discontinued using the dishes. Now I have to be diligent about tank cleaning and I vacuum at least once a day, all the uneaten food I can find. I also use a battery water filler that I like better than a turkey baster, to blow off the trapped food from in and on the rock work, let settle, and remove. Even with this, I sometimes get an ammonia problem so to be sure, I test for ammonia very frequently in all the tanks. __________________ 490g soft lps clams tangs b'flies clean wrasses, seahorses. All tanks lit with N.O.fluor., most Berlin method. No clean up crews. See website for N.O. fluor. pics. Culture nanno, rotifers and brine shrimp. Current Tank Info: Seahorses, Reef, and Fish only

12/25/2009, 06:54 AM	#5
rayjay Premium Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,981	Is that an "unprotected heater" I see in the pictures? __________________ 490g soft lps clams tangs b'flies clean wrasses, seahorses. All tanks lit with N.O.fluor., most Berlin method. No clean up crews. See website for N.O. fluor. pics. Culture nanno, rotifers and brine shrimp. Current Tank Info: Seahorses, Reef, and Fish only

12/26/2009, 03:11 PM	#9
rayjay Premium Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,981	By unprotected heater I mean a heater that a seahorse can wrap a tail on and possibly get burned when it is hot. There are sleeves that can be installed to prevent this. Preferably there would be no heater at all in their tank. I keep fans blowing on my tanks to keep them cooler than the room is. Preferred temperatures would be 68° to 74°F. While I have heaters in all my reef tanks, there are none in any of my seahorse tanks. __________________ 490g soft lps clams tangs b'flies clean wrasses, seahorses. All tanks lit with N.O.fluor., most Berlin method. No clean up crews. See website for N.O. fluor. pics. Culture nanno, rotifers and brine shrimp. Current Tank Info: Seahorses, Reef, and Fish only

12/25/2009, 01:26 PM	#6
cykenp Registered Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: MD Posts: 54	I agreed with Chad, as long as you see their bellies are nice and full, you have some nice happy seahorses!

12/25/2009, 08:39 PM	#7
Peka Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lake in the Hills Posts: 674	I feed both my erectus and reidi adults 2 times a day. I used feeding dishes in all of my tanks so that I can clean out any uneaten food. I turn the filters off and leave the food in the tank for at least an hour so the SH have time to all come to the dish and eat.

12/26/2009, 07:32 PM	#11
rayjay Premium Member Join Date: Oct 1999 Location: London, Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,981	Why do you need a heater? __________________ 490g soft lps clams tangs b'flies clean wrasses, seahorses. All tanks lit with N.O.fluor., most Berlin method. No clean up crews. See website for N.O. fluor. pics. Culture nanno, rotifers and brine shrimp. Current Tank Info: Seahorses, Reef, and Fish only

12/27/2009, 12:01 PM	#15
breutus Don't ask me, I'm wrong. Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Fenton Posts: 2,137	I feed mine on a pretty funny schedule I feed two times one day, one time the next day. But I also have the tank full of different macros and have a refugium hooked directly to there tank with pod condos in it lol, so i get a lot of life they hunt for in the tank. I also use the feeding dish method, and have 2 Caribbean peppermint shrimps to help eat left over food and produce larve that the seahorse eat as well, if you put peppermint shrimp in they should be Caribbean and not east Atlantic or Florida picked ones which is what most the lfs sell commonly last but not least I have three black mollies in this tank that produce young every couple of weeks that the SH seem to devour at a very young age lol, they do not eat any of the SH food it's actually funny to watch one about to give birth because both the SH would go and sit by her where ever she goes lol wow actually listing it all out lol I think my SH eat alot lol, I always feel like im under feeding hahaha

12/28/2009, 08:41 PM	#16
Ahwagirl Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 132	I decided to add a skunk shrimp yesterday as I'd read that the bode well with SH's and do a good job of cleaning up. I also have decided to feed the girls 2 times a day (but a bit more) and see how they do. Thanks for the advice, everyone. I'm still looking around for a heater sleeve.

12/29/2009, 10:26 AM	#17
Elysia Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Central PA Posts: 1,693	I wouldn't worry that your tank is going to have seasonal temp variations. Again, that is just me (someone who admittedly has "reef" animals in a tank that is currently "cold" -- approx. 66 degrees; the tank is known to hit 75 degrees during summer heat waves as we do not have air conditioning, but these changes are gradual through the season.)

01/02/2010, 10:13 PM	#18
ILoveSeahorses Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Corona, CA Posts: 24	I feed my horses 2-3 times a day. Normally 3 times... and 2 if I'm not able to be home. I used to feed mysis, then tried mini mysis... however they seem to like Arcti Pods a lot better and they're doing excellent on it! I also have Copepods in my tank..

01/04/2010, 05:39 AM	#20
Paul B Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 13,806	Seahorses don't have a true stomach, only a short tube so they have almost no capacity to store food. If you ever dove with them, you will see them eat or try to eat something all day. They eat very little at each meal because they can't dijest very much at all. All of that extra food they are eating at one meal will not be dijested. Like mandarins, they should be fed as often as possable. They will of course live on a meal twice a day but less food, more times a day is much more natural for them. I have collected them numerous times here in NY and raised them to adulthood. I even invented and patented a feeder for them that would feed them live brine shrimp all day. We no longer feed live brine shrimp so I don't sell the thing any more. Mysis is much better for them. http://www.breedersregistry.org/Arti...l_b/paul_b.htm __________________ All of your animals came from NSW, None of them came from ASW Current Tank Info: 100 gal reef set up in 1971

01/04/2010, 09:22 AM	#21
FishGuy5 Registered Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Elk Grove, CA Posts: 2,832	Paul-great article and invention!! Have you developed anything or heard of anything to do the same concept for mysis? TIA

01/04/2010, 01:20 PM	#22
Paul B Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 13,806	No, mysis would be tough because the brine shrimp are alive and soft. I sold over 6,000 of them. I don't keep seahorses anymore, when I collect them, I just give them away. I do keep bluestriped pipefish but I hatch baby brine every day for them. __________________ All of your animals came from NSW, None of them came from ASW Current Tank Info: 100 gal reef set up in 1971

01/04/2010, 01:40 PM	#23
namxas Things With Stings R Us! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Carson, CA Posts: 4,641	our SH tanx are fed once a day, but they are aquascaped with lots of macroalgae so the SH can hunt at their leisure (and they certainly do). it's really fun to watch them being "patient" when they see a pod that they REALLY want but just can't quite reach. by all means, do invest in a heater guard and drop the temp a couple of degrees. i've seen too many burned SH in the ER on the SH site. __________________ Greg Current Tank Info: too many to describe, but i think the count is up to "lucky 13"!

01/05/2010, 02:47 AM	#24
Aqua_boy Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New York Posts: 94	Young Hippocampus erectus may feed for as long as ten hours of each day and consume up to 3600 baby brine shrimp during that time.