ESV BIONIC seawater system salt - Page 2

las · 08/08/2010, 02:12 PM

so this salt is high quality?

whats the magnesium and ph level on this salt?

75 reefer · 08/09/2010, 03:41 PM

Sorry I dont have a Magnesium test for the E.S.V B-Ionic salt I can tell you that the PH is around 8.1 to 8.2 when mixed with R/O DI with .000 TDS water that has been air rated real good and is ready to go in about 10 min of mixing. And yes it is of high quality. and for just $ 8.99 to ship a 200 GAL mix you cant beat it!! from Marine Depot.com i have tried around 6 different types of salt and i would have to this one hands down the best salt i have used for my tank. Since i have switch over to this salt my Maiden Hair coral is growing like crazy and my live rock is now growing mushrooms that where never there before i switch over. i have only been useing this salt for about a month and half. i think if you go to www.esvco.com you will find more info on testing this salt. Hope this helps you.

las · 08/09/2010, 04:15 PM

i need a decent magnesium level.... i ll try to contact esv

75 reefer · 08/09/2010, 04:25 PM

There Claim on magnesium 1400 you will see there info at the bottom of there web site

las · 08/09/2010, 04:29 PM

yeah.... some people have stated otherwise..... It would be awesome if it was 1400

75 reefer · 08/09/2010, 04:59 PM

Keep inmind with this salt you can ajust the Magnesium levels the way you whant to as well as trace elements. it comes with a 11LB bag of Mag 40 LB of Chloride Salt and 4 1 GAL bottles of trace

Paul61 · 08/17/2010, 10:25 PM

The liquids are major, minor, and trace elements - all together. I dont think much custom mixing is possible. I guess you could adjust magnesium because that is a single dry element.

I just started to use this salt mix and I think I'm in love! This stuff is really clean; it mixes crystal clear. Only time will tell. Still, it is easy to trust a salt that doesn't produce unknown gunk and dirt. Another big plus, the problem of settling during shipment is solved. Mixing is not difficult, just be careful. I mix with a little less water than specified then dilute down to my desired salinity.

I've used IO, RC, TM, and Red Sea Coral Pro.

ECFENCING · 08/18/2010, 08:17 PM

I like the salt so far since it mixes very well and seems to have decent calcium and magnesium levels. I never got anywhere near the 1440 claim on magnesium. Closest I got was 1380. Calcium was between 420-440. I didn't bother to check alk all that much but it was about 8.6.

Has anyone tested for phospates of a newly mixed batch? I've read some users were having problems with phosphate levels, I can't find the link. ( I think on marinedpot.com). Will post when I do.

Skimo · 08/24/2010, 12:03 PM

I used the ESV salt system for about 6 weeks then switched back to my old stand-by, Red Sea Coral Pro to save a couple of bucks. After the switch I noticed water chem quality wasn't as consistent. I did stop dosing 2 part while I was on the ESV salt, then went back to dosing 2 part + Mag + Red Sea Coral Pro. Mag was consistently higher on the ESV batch (~1325-1350 Salifert) vs. the Red Sea Coral Pro (~1225-1275 Salifert). My tank "looked" like it was making more progress with the ESV, although that's anecdote.

I had phosphate tested at LFS while on the last week of ESV, since they had a Salifert kit - I didn't. The 5 minute sample was completely clear on my tank (55g Disp/25g Sump-Ref, 6 fish@3" ea., LPS, Soft & Gorgonians).

Now that I can afford ESV again I'm going back on it. It's slightly more work to mix a batch, but the simplicity of having ideal water chem on every change worked for my tank.

knockout · 10/27/2010, 05:52 PM

any updates?

FIREFISHPAT · 12/14/2010, 10:20 AM

anymore updates

PSam · 12/14/2010, 10:54 AM

I am using it and love it so far. The 4 part mix is really not much trouble at all. It takes maybe 20 minutes to mix and about 18 of those are weighing or waiting between components. I haven't had a magnesium kit since I bought the salt mix a few weeks ago, but have been getting about 8.5 kH, Ca 470 going by their recommended chart (using a scale to weigh the components). Higher calcium than I'd like, but the beauty is I can just add a bit less of that component...

acesq · 12/16/2010, 10:28 AM

I've used this salt from the start of my most recent tank build -- a 120 SPS reef started mid-September, 2010. I have done 15 gal weekly water changes consistently since mid-October 2010. I am half way through my second 200 gal set of boxes. I love it and so far so do my corals and fish. Mixes quickly. Perfectly clear within minutes. It tests out at 470 calcium, 8.5 alk and 1400 mag. I stop dosing 2-part (ESV) for two days after each water change to keep the calcium and alkalinity in check.

las · 12/29/2010, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frank40

i got 420cal, ph 8.14, alk 9dkh, i did not test for mag. i only did a 50 gal water change in my 290g DT so i don't have anything conclusive yet but i did not notice any adverse affects. a couple of ppl that were beta testers of the salt are switching over because they noticed increased growth rates in there sps.

This is almost exactly what i get

knockout · 12/29/2010, 06:49 PM

awesome, I'll be adding water back to my tank again this weekend, using this salt from the start! so far I've only read good things about it.

Jeremy B. · 12/29/2010, 09:36 PM

Same feedback I am getting from others on this salt mix. It's consistent, period. The nature of the mix ensures that you're going to get the same cal/alk/mg levels on every mix.

markush · 01/24/2011, 12:17 AM

never mind i'm retarded...Great stuff...couldn't find it on the site to reorder...found it

InfernoST · 02/25/2011, 05:42 PM

Which component is calcium?

rkaires · 05/10/2011, 10:25 AM

Any updates on this salt? I just ordered a 200gal box from Premium. Hope the reviews are still positive.

taklein65 · 05/11/2011, 11:59 PM

I got some of this salt a few months back and I love it way better than IO IMO mixes fast and clear. FYI to get the proper readings every time you need to do it by weight with a good scale. The first WC i did 2 5gal buckets readings were a little off from one another. The second WC i did 2 5gal buckets by weight and they were both the same.

Tim

rkaires · 05/12/2011, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taklein65

I got some of this salt a few months back and I love it way better than IO IMO mixes fast and clear. FYI to get the proper readings every time you need to do it by weight with a good scale. The first WC i did 2 5gal buckets readings were a little off from one another. The second WC i did 2 5gal buckets by weight and they were both the same.

Tim

That's good to hear.

Thanks,

rkaires · 05/12/2011, 12:28 PM

takein65,

What type of scale did you use?

Thanks,

snorvich · 05/16/2011, 09:58 AM

Well, this thread sold me. I am coming on board too!

septicdeath · 04/10/2012, 11:52 AM

I know this is a little old, not any updates, but I was wondering like rkaires was. What kind of scale is being used? For 5gallon, 10 gallon, 15 gallon mixes at a time? I have a RCBS Rangemaster scale for reloading, it measures grains and grams, I believe it can goto 100 grams, accurate to .01, but I have no idea the weights you all are talking, 100 grams is .22lbs so maybe 1/4 pound is more than enough, anyone care to elaborate on the scales being used?

I guess I will go look for online instructions, just was curious, seen the question asked, and no answer so..

Thanks

septicdeath · 04/23/2012, 11:40 AM

Quick question.

Included sheet gives directions for mixing at 34ppt, and then says reduce water by 8% to get a 37ppt salinity. Has anyone come up with a 35ppt calculation? I suppose I could just mix it to 37ppt and add ro/di to 35ppt. Just thought maybe someone had a number, like 6% less water, or whatever, maybe I just try mixing one gal at a time to come up with that percentage.

Thanks in advance.

08/09/2010, 04:59 PM	#31
75 reefer Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: las vegas nv Posts: 6	4 part ESV SALT Keep inmind with this salt you can ajust the Magnesium levels the way you whant to as well as trace elements. it comes with a 11LB bag of Mag 40 LB of Chloride Salt and 4 1 GAL bottles of trace

10/27/2010, 05:52 PM	#35
knockout Really Cool Stuff! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Route 715 South, Reeders, PA Posts: 446	any updates? __________________ Kelvin. Current Tank Info: @Work: 2000g & @Home: 215g, 50g

12/14/2010, 10:54 AM	#37
PSam Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,111	I am using it and love it so far. The 4 part mix is really not much trouble at all. It takes maybe 20 minutes to mix and about 18 of those are weighing or waiting between components. I haven't had a magnesium kit since I bought the salt mix a few weeks ago, but have been getting about 8.5 kH, Ca 470 going by their recommended chart (using a scale to weigh the components). Higher calcium than I'd like, but the beauty is I can just add a bit less of that component... __________________ ..no vemos las cosas como son las vemos como somos nosotros...

12/29/2010, 06:49 PM	#40
knockout Really Cool Stuff! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Route 715 South, Reeders, PA Posts: 446	awesome, I'll be adding water back to my tank again this weekend, using this salt from the start! so far I've only read good things about it. __________________ Kelvin. Current Tank Info: @Work: 2000g & @Home: 215g, 50g

12/29/2010, 09:36 PM	#41
Jeremy B. RC Sponsor Join Date: May 2001 Location: Indianapolis, IN / Muncie, IN Posts: 7,573	Same feedback I am getting from others on this salt mix. It's consistent, period. The nature of the mix ensures that you're going to get the same cal/alk/mg levels on every mix. __________________ PremiumAquatics.com

08/08/2010, 02:12 PM	#26
las Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: chicago Posts: 530	so this salt is high quality? whats the magnesium and ph level on this salt?

08/09/2010, 03:41 PM	#27
75 reefer Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: las vegas nv Posts: 6	Sorry I dont have a Magnesium test for the E.S.V B-Ionic salt I can tell you that the PH is around 8.1 to 8.2 when mixed with R/O DI with .000 TDS water that has been air rated real good and is ready to go in about 10 min of mixing. And yes it is of high quality. and for just $ 8.99 to ship a 200 GAL mix you cant beat it!! from Marine Depot.com i have tried around 6 different types of salt and i would have to this one hands down the best salt i have used for my tank. Since i have switch over to this salt my Maiden Hair coral is growing like crazy and my live rock is now growing mushrooms that where never there before i switch over. i have only been useing this salt for about a month and half. i think if you go to www.esvco.com you will find more info on testing this salt. Hope this helps you.

08/09/2010, 04:15 PM	#28
las Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: chicago Posts: 530	i need a decent magnesium level.... i ll try to contact esv

08/09/2010, 04:25 PM	#29
75 reefer Registered Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: las vegas nv Posts: 6	There Claim on magnesium 1400 you will see there info at the bottom of there web site

08/09/2010, 04:29 PM	#30
las Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: chicago Posts: 530	yeah.... some people have stated otherwise..... It would be awesome if it was 1400

08/17/2010, 10:25 PM	#32
Paul61 Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 4	The liquids are major, minor, and trace elements - all together. I dont think much custom mixing is possible. I guess you could adjust magnesium because that is a single dry element. I just started to use this salt mix and I think I'm in love! This stuff is really clean; it mixes crystal clear. Only time will tell. Still, it is easy to trust a salt that doesn't produce unknown gunk and dirt. Another big plus, the problem of settling during shipment is solved. Mixing is not difficult, just be careful. I mix with a little less water than specified then dilute down to my desired salinity. I've used IO, RC, TM, and Red Sea Coral Pro.

08/18/2010, 08:17 PM	#33
ECFENCING Registered Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 702	I like the salt so far since it mixes very well and seems to have decent calcium and magnesium levels. I never got anywhere near the 1440 claim on magnesium. Closest I got was 1380. Calcium was between 420-440. I didn't bother to check alk all that much but it was about 8.6. Has anyone tested for phospates of a newly mixed batch? I've read some users were having problems with phosphate levels, I can't find the link. ( I think on marinedpot.com). Will post when I do.

08/24/2010, 12:03 PM	#34
Skimo Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Crystal Lake IL Posts: 6	I used the ESV salt system for about 6 weeks then switched back to my old stand-by, Red Sea Coral Pro to save a couple of bucks. After the switch I noticed water chem quality wasn't as consistent. I did stop dosing 2 part while I was on the ESV salt, then went back to dosing 2 part + Mag + Red Sea Coral Pro. Mag was consistently higher on the ESV batch (~1325-1350 Salifert) vs. the Red Sea Coral Pro (~1225-1275 Salifert). My tank "looked" like it was making more progress with the ESV, although that's anecdote. I had phosphate tested at LFS while on the last week of ESV, since they had a Salifert kit - I didn't. The 5 minute sample was completely clear on my tank (55g Disp/25g Sump-Ref, 6 fish@3" ea., LPS, Soft & Gorgonians). Now that I can afford ESV again I'm going back on it. It's slightly more work to mix a batch, but the simplicity of having ideal water chem on every change worked for my tank.

12/14/2010, 10:20 AM	#36
FIREFISHPAT Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 158	anymore updates

12/16/2010, 10:28 AM	#38
acesq Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Calabasas, CA Posts: 199	I've used this salt from the start of my most recent tank build -- a 120 SPS reef started mid-September, 2010. I have done 15 gal weekly water changes consistently since mid-October 2010. I am half way through my second 200 gal set of boxes. I love it and so far so do my corals and fish. Mixes quickly. Perfectly clear within minutes. It tests out at 470 calcium, 8.5 alk and 1400 mag. I stop dosing 2-part (ESV) for two days after each water change to keep the calcium and alkalinity in check.

01/24/2011, 12:17 AM	#42
markush Registered Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 82	never mind i'm retarded...Great stuff...couldn't find it on the site to reorder...found it Last edited by markush; 01/24/2011 at 12:31 AM.

02/25/2011, 05:42 PM	#43
InfernoST Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NY Posts: 274	Which component is calcium?

05/10/2011, 10:25 AM	#44
rkaires Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: LINY Posts: 1,235	Any updates on this salt? I just ordered a 200gal box from Premium. Hope the reviews are still positive. __________________ Bob Current Tank Info: 200gal system, 150gal & 58gal reef, ATI Powermodule & Sunpower , ATB Deluxe skimmer, KZ zeo reactor, Geo 618, FX1500 return, Tunze 7095, Tunze Streams. Last edited by rkaires; 05/10/2011 at 10:39 AM.

05/11/2011, 11:59 PM	#45
taklein65 Registered Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Marysville, OH Posts: 117	I got some of this salt a few months back and I love it way better than IO IMO mixes fast and clear. FYI to get the proper readings every time you need to do it by weight with a good scale. The first WC i did 2 5gal buckets readings were a little off from one another. The second WC i did 2 5gal buckets by weight and they were both the same. Tim

05/12/2011, 12:28 PM	#47
rkaires Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: LINY Posts: 1,235	takein65, What type of scale did you use? Thanks, __________________ Bob Current Tank Info: 200gal system, 150gal & 58gal reef, ATI Powermodule & Sunpower , ATB Deluxe skimmer, KZ zeo reactor, Geo 618, FX1500 return, Tunze 7095, Tunze Streams. Last edited by rkaires; 05/12/2011 at 12:51 PM.

05/16/2011, 09:58 AM	#48
snorvich Team RC member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Flatlander Posts: 25,955 Blog Entries: 27	Well, this thread sold me. I am coming on board too! __________________ Warmest regards and best wishes, ~Steve~ It is my policy to not respond to those who ask questions not to learn but to be bellicose. Life is a series of decisions serially executed but collectively judged. "Not using a quarantine tank is like playing Russian roulette. Nobody wins the game, some people just get to play longer than others." - Anthony Calfo

04/10/2012, 11:52 AM	#49
septicdeath Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 167	I know this is a little old, not any updates, but I was wondering like rkaires was. What kind of scale is being used? For 5gallon, 10 gallon, 15 gallon mixes at a time? I have a RCBS Rangemaster scale for reloading, it measures grains and grams, I believe it can goto 100 grams, accurate to .01, but I have no idea the weights you all are talking, 100 grams is .22lbs so maybe 1/4 pound is more than enough, anyone care to elaborate on the scales being used? I guess I will go look for online instructions, just was curious, seen the question asked, and no answer so.. Thanks

04/23/2012, 11:40 AM	#50
septicdeath Registered Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 167	Quick question. Included sheet gives directions for mixing at 34ppt, and then says reduce water by 8% to get a 37ppt salinity. Has anyone come up with a 35ppt calculation? I suppose I could just mix it to 37ppt and add ro/di to 35ppt. Just thought maybe someone had a number, like 6% less water, or whatever, maybe I just try mixing one gal at a time to come up with that percentage. Thanks in advance.