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Old 02/17/2014, 05:43 PM   #651
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This topic prompted a series of articles. Here is the first one that talks about ich
http://www.reefsmagazine.com/forum/r...hard-ross.html


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Old 02/17/2014, 06:52 PM   #652
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Nice article Rich

So am I correct that a crowing rooster will cure ich?


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Old 02/17/2014, 07:04 PM   #653
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I did read that on a blog awhile back. Some guy swears by it and has used it everytime he introduced a new fish and got a break out. Good job at that, you may be on to something great !


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Old 02/17/2014, 09:09 PM   #654
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Nice article Rich

So am I correct that a crowing rooster will cure ich?
Thanks Bill. No if only we could get people to read it (see post preceding this one - unless it is sarcastic!).

Now I should prolly run away as not to develop an ulcer.


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Old 02/18/2014, 04:58 AM   #655
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Thanks Bill. No if only we could get people to read it (see post preceding this one - unless it is sarcastic!).

Now I should prolly run away as not to develop an ulcer.
I hear if you eat live blackworms, it will cure what ails you and prevent you from getting sick. Probably works for ulcers too


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Old 02/18/2014, 06:57 AM   #656
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LOL. I didn't realize at first that this is the actual thread! I have been giving talks about this at clubs and 2 MANCNA's and some other events. I wish I didn't have too. Crazy town.


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Old 02/18/2014, 11:31 AM   #657
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I know what you mean. I've been dealing with these sorts of things since the SANO wars on Aqualink


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Old 02/18/2014, 12:14 PM   #658
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its very sad you are willing to just throw them away and replace them, how about take care of them instead


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Old 02/21/2014, 06:19 PM   #659
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Day 5 update on my fresh ginger root & garlic treatment... the fish are virtually Ick free.. I can see one or two spec tiny specs on a couple of the fish currently.

I am thinking there is a positive reaction to this 'medication'.

At this point I will continue the servings of ginger & garlic for at least another 25 days. If the Ick does not totally vanish or comes back at all on it's expected cycle prior to the end of the treatment I will drop this 'witch doctor' treatment and setup some hospital tanks and go the conventional route.

I will report back progress or lack there of.

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Your pretty much on schedule for the ich trophants to mature and drop off the fish to reproduce as a natural and normal part of their life cycle. The reproduction phase occurs in the substrate, with reinfection occurring in about a week...give or take few days depending on temperature and strain.


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Old 02/21/2014, 07:10 PM   #661
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Day 5 update on my fresh ginger root & garlic treatment... the fish are virtually Ick free.. I can see one or two spec tiny specs on a couple of the fish currently.

I am thinking there is a positive reaction to this 'medication'.
It isn't necessarily a reaction to any attempt at treatment. What you are seeing is exactly what we would expect to see with the natural lifecycle of the parasite.




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Old 02/21/2014, 07:45 PM   #662
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Yep I understand completely.

Like I said in my first post; been doing this hobby for 25 plus years... the thing that raised my eyebrows was that they were 75% clean in 6 hours and 95% clean 30 hrs.

I don't really think it killed off the parasites but it looks positive that it is helping the fish's resistance to the unwanted guests.

The positive thing is that I have a pond size UV Sterilizer on this sucker... hoping it will wipe them out during the free swim period.

Time will tell and I will update as it goes along.

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Old 02/21/2014, 08:34 PM   #663
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Yep I understand completely.

Like I said in my first post; been doing this hobby for 25 plus years... the thing that raised my eyebrows was that they were 75% clean in 6 hours and 95% clean 30 hrs.
That could easily be the natural progression.

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Time will tell and I will update as it goes along.
With the addition of the UV, which we know has an effect, it will be impossible to tell if the ginger did anything.


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Who is going to herd every single Cryptocaryon into the UV?


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Old 02/23/2014, 12:58 PM   #665
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Update:

Day 6; status of the fish is 100% Ick free.
I notice the clown fish picking at the front glass... I take a closer look and there they are, 100s of them, little white dots I can see moving around. The funny thing the clown fish (have 3 of them) are eating the little bastards.
So I decided to wipe down the glass and stir the tank up real good in an attempt to get as many as I could herded into the filter system and through the UV Sterilizer.
An hour after this I notice the fish covered in the Ick again. Okay, enough is enough, I start to make preparations to setup the hospital tanks. About 3hrs later I notice the fish basically Ick free again.

Day 7; the fish are 100% Ick free again.

Okay... is the diet of ginger root & garlic making the fish resistant to the parasites?
I'm not 100% sure yet to say yes. The bigger question is will the resistance be strong enough cause the parasites to starve and die out?

Another note... both my Pink Tail Trigger and my Clown Tank have had a noticeable Fluke nodules for months prior to treatment, those have vanished on both fish.

I have decided to stay the course for now. If the fish can stay virtually Ick free over the next 3 weeks this could be a successful treatment.

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Old 02/23/2014, 01:08 PM   #666
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Day 6; status of the fish is 100% Ick free.
I notice the clown fish picking at the front glass... I take a closer look and there they are, 100s of them, little white dots I can see moving around. The funny thing the clown fish (have 3 of them) are eating the little bastards.
So I decided to wipe down the glass and stir the tank up real good in an attempt to get as many as I could herded into the filter system and through the UV Sterilizer.
Those aren't ich, ich doesn't do that - prolly some sort of copepod.

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An hour after this I notice the fish covered in the Ick again. Okay, enough is enough, I start to make preparations to setup the hospital tanks. About 3hrs later I notice the fish basically Ick free again.
I doubt they were covered with ich, rather some sort of detritus for your stirring up of the tank. This is a common misconception.

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Okay... is the diet of ginger root & garlic making the fish resistant to the parasites?
I seriously doubt it. Post hoc and conformation bias. Chris, I appreciate you attempt here, but at the same time you are doing essentially the same kind of thing that has been done, and shown to be incorrect, several times already in this thread.


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Thales,

I am starting to get a little confused now...

Your comments imply that my fish don't have "Ick" (which would be a great thing) and that you can see the parasites on fish but not off of them which wouldn't make sense to me.

Yesterday before I cleaned the glass off I took a short video.
http://www.northamericangp.com/cmose...222_141350.mp4
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The angle and lighting I shot this video gives the illusion that the white dots are much bigger than they actually are from the reflection, they are just barely visible to the naked eye.

Let me know what you think.

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Side note;
If I am to remove all the fish (have 10 of them) from the tank, what is the estimated time frame for the parasites to die off from starvation?

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Chris - did you post and remove it? I have confusing notification emails.


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Chris - did you post and remove it? I have confusing notification emails.
His post got caught in the moderation que. Means the software thought he was spammer for some reason, likely having all his posts in one thread. Fortunately I have the keys to fix that and make his post appear


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Old 02/23/2014, 07:10 PM   #670
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Thales,

I am starting to get a little confused now...

Your comments imply that my fish don't have "Ick" (which would be a great thing)
I don't know if your fish had or have ich - it can be hard to diagnose. However, in your last post it doesn't seem at all like you saw the parasite on the fish, both from the timing and because people who stir up their tanks often worry their fish are infested, when it really is just detritus.

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and that you can see the parasites on fish but not off of them which wouldn't make sense to me.
The parasites are very small when off the fish...something like .2 mm if memory serves. The white spots you see on the fish are mostly a reaction to the fish having a parasite, not the actual parasite it self, which is below the skin. I can look up the sizes and stuff in Noga tomorrow if you are interested.

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Yesterday before I cleaned the glass off I took a short video.
http://www.northamericangp.com/cmose...222_141350.mp4
*You need a mp4 player like VLC to play this.
The angle and lighting I shot this video gives the illusion that the white dots are much bigger than they actually are from the reflection, they are just barely visible to the naked eye.

Let me know what you think.
I don't know what that is at all, and would need to get a bunch of background on the tank to take a stab at it, but that isn't ich.

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If I am to remove all the fish (have 10 of them) from the tank, what is the estimated time frame for the parasites to die off from starvation?

Chris
Generally people recommend somewhere between 7-10 weeks, but I don't think you are there yet.


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Old 02/24/2014, 03:44 AM   #671
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The white specs on the glass look much like the white specs on the fish when they attach although they scurry around quite quickly on the glass... like underwater fleas.

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About the tank:

It has been in place for over 14 years (in my living room) with the same gravel and rocks. It had been dormant without light but filtering for about 3 years. I replaced the lighting and the UV Sterilizer then I reconstituted the tank about 5 months ago adding new fish inverts and corals. All had been going fine with no deaths until I saw the specs on the fish little over a week ago.

It's a 110 gallon with a 22 gallon sump tank. I am using a couple different poly filters and a old school protein skimmer.

As you can see from the photo, all the rocks are carefully tied together, so it would be a borderline nightmare to catch the fish and pull them out... I would basically have to dismantle the tank to get them out of there so I am trying to avoid that course of action.

In the 11 years I had fish in the tank I never had any sort of parasite problem. Prior to going dormant I had the same group of fish in the tank for over 5 years, very healthy and happy but tragedy struck... long story short, I put new lighting in the tank, the Tangs did not keep up with algae growth (had hair algae all over)... let it go too long and decided to clean all the sides at once which killed them all. I guess a toxin is released with your break the algae loose... I did too much too fast.

I lost heart in the whole hobby until my wife threatened to sell my tank and now I'm trying again.

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Well, I guess at this point I give it a little more time and see what unfolds. All water chemistry is spot on... I just have some extra unwelcomed critters roaming around in there I need to get under control one way or another.

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The white specs on the glass look much like the white specs on the fish when they attach although they scurry around quite quickly on the glass... like underwater fleas.
Sounds like a little critter bloom which makes sense given the 'newness' of your tank.
Ich doesn't scurry, and don't move quickly. Here is a video most likely of a skin scrape, but I am not sure what the magnification is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rbpq7tlKLZY


If you ever have to catch the fish, a trap is the way to go. Just needs a little patience. Here is an article if you are interested
http://packedhead.net/2012/its-a-fish-trap/


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This old thread needs to be resurrected. I'm currently battling a mild case of ich in my 72 bow front caused by some new butterflies I got from blue zoo. Lost my imperator today. I have been dosing revive and have seen a significant improvement on all but one fish. I'm going to give this ginger thing a try. Ginger root is known to contain powerful anti parasitic compounds that should be effective against many species of Protozoa so this does make some sense.

Wish me luck and please refrain from the "you can't kill ich with anything short of planetary annihilation" talk. Lol


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Wow... is all I can think of right now.


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I have just read every page of this thread top to bottom. I must say that a 15 year thread is noteworthy in and of itself, not to mention the great diverse standpoints of all posters. I think it was a bit tooo far to call Ich similar to AIDS....you will die because of AIDS, but Herpes.....that was perfect.

thanks for the good read all, i am going to enjoy my ginger ale.


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