Is something wrong with my wrasse? :(

[taylormatic]

Well, besides the fact that he has a moderate case of ich ( ), I feel like my possum wrasse is behaving strangely.
late at night when I take a look into my tank he remains very still and appears dead
this has happened every night since I brought him home from the store
the first night I even stuck my hand inside to see if he would jolt away and nothing! (luckily i didnt take him out and flush)

I'm just curious if this is normal or if I should for some reason be concerned
as we speak he is lying motionless on the sand of my tank...

any help or advice would be greatly appreciated!
Please help my poor Moe!

[snorvich]

You bought a fish with a moderate case of ich and did not quarantine/treat it?

[sslak]

You do know that many saltwater fish sleep literally motionless, and also tend to lose color while sleeping...right?

Does it act normally during the day?

[TwistedEnvy]

My mandarin does the same thing, or did when I first got her. She is now a mostly nocturnal creature

[xdannyxrocksx]

as long as he doesnt float up tot he top he is fine, yes they do sleep motionless, you dont have much live rock there for he doesnt have a good enough cave for him to hide in while sleeping. he is not dead adn will be fine. Make sure to keep treating him for ich, even about 3 days after its gone from him keep treating the tank.

[taylormatic]

I didnt buy him with ich.
he just recently accquired it.
when swimming around in the tank, he twitches quite a bit, which led me to believe that he might be sick and freak out about the motionlessness

sorry if this was a dumb/childish question:/

[snorvich]

The twitching could be flukes. NO question is ever childish or dumb. You probably should medicate, ideally in a different tank.

[taylormatic]

thanks snorvich,
I was beginning to regret asking this question to all of you more experienced reefers

I'm not quite sure what flukes is, but I am medicating for his ich,
unfortunately I only have the one tank he is in currently so I am unable to medicate in a seperate one
(I bet that would be WAY more effective)

so, if you dont mind my asking, what exactly is flukes?

[LemonLemon]

flukes are a kind of parasitic flatworm.

http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fres...ses.htm#Flukes

[taylormatic]

Originally Posted by LemonLemon

flukes are a kind of parasitic flatworm.

http://animal-world.com/encyclo/fres...ses.htm#Flukes

thank you lemonlemon
flukes sound awful!
I hope Moe doesn't have that

[xdannyxrocksx]

the medication that i gave you treats for flukes as well as 7 other bacterial and fungal diseases. just keep treating it. Is he eating? Have you noticed him rubbing against rock or the gravel? Also dont be afraid to ask questions, this hobby is all about learning. Believe me you would never sound stupid somebody today at work asked me if they could put in a black clown in a 10 gallon, ontop of that they already had a maroon gold stripe clown in that same 10 gallon, to top that off they moved down here today so offcourse they brought their tank and im sure they have an amonia spike.

Oh wait thats not it they were going to PETCO because some guy over there said yea they could put a bubble tip anemone in their tank and i wouldnt sell them our bubble tip because it was a ten gallon. But this gets better guys you ready, they asked me how much light they needed so i let them know they require alot of lighting and she said well i have 2 t5s i was like uhmm might or might not be enough then she tells me well i only have one light strip so i switch bulbs every 12 hours. thats when i was like ***

[taylormatic]

yes he's eating, but he doesnt rub against anything
just lots of twitching really:/

switching bulbs every 12 hours?
...crazy person.

[xdannyxrocksx]

yes like lets say you have 2 lightbulbs but one light strip you would switch froma day bulb to actinic and so on every 12 hours....oh and at the end she ended up buying the black clown..i was not happy.

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by xdannyxrocksx

yes like lets say you have 2 lightbulbs but one light strip you would switch froma day bulb to actinic and so on every 12 hours....oh and at the end she ended up buying the black clown..i was not happy.

I am confused. How does this relate in any way to the OP problem? What treatment did you give him for ich which also treats for flukes?

[taylormatic]

haha, sorry snorvich danny is my boyfriend and we got a bit off topic

I'm treating Moe with Microbe-Lift Herbtana
it says it "provides a chemical free treatment effective against parasitic diseases including: ich, flukes, chilodoonella, costia, trichodina, oodinium"

[snorvich]

Originally Posted by taylormatic

haha, sorry snorvich danny is my boyfriend and we got a bit off topic

I'm treating Moe with Microbe-Lift Herbtana
it says it "provides a chemical free treatment effective against parasitic diseases including: ich, flukes, chilodoonella, costia, trichodina, oodinium"

Sorry, but I am skeptical. The list of treatments is unlikely for ALL (maybe none) of those mentioned.

[xdannyxrocksx]

yea well it works for the store been using it ever since it came out and our problems are gone. Im by no means a rep of this product but i give it a 9 out of 10. Some people prefer other products than others me personally i like this product we used it in a coral bay with inverts and it is definatly reef safe. it is from a extract of some type of plant.

[xdannyxrocksx]

by no means am i a know it all or do i have the experience in this hobby im just letting you guys know that it has worked for us ever since we started to use this, after using it for a good month or so we put it out for the public to sell at our pet store.

[taylormatic]

Originally Posted by snorvich

Sorry, but I am skeptical. The list of treatments is unlikely for ALL (maybe none) of those mentioned.

is there something you would recommend instead?

[xdannyxrocksx]

someone is always skeptical about something, not everything works for everyone for every tank. You have to use correct dosing for the correct amount of time. It also depends on how long it takes you to realize the fish has ich, if at the time some of your water parameters are off that also works agains the fish itself, understand that microlift is not your typical copper treatment, this does not kill the ich but it helps boost up the imune system of the fish, there for starving the parasite, and yes this does mean it can kill multiple parasites, just because it doesnt target a certain one with a certain level of copper. This is just an aid to help the fish. Work for us in both of our coral bays at work like i said. And if anybody is going to chime in stop bashin on the people trying to help and start recommending what can be done there for the OP can gather information and see what needs to be done.

[snorvich]

Praziquantel is the preferred treatment for flukes. Again, I am totally skeptical of the treatment offered. There are lots of similar treatments that purport to treat "everything" but none have credibility. Remember, this is the LFS that sold a fish with ich, so their credibility is a bit uncertain at this point. Last posting from me, I have no desire to argue the merits or lack thereof, of homeopathic type treatments that supposedly "raise the immune system". That is not a measurable claim. But if it works for you, go for it. Still, Danny, as you are VERY new to this hobby, you might be more receptive to advice. Alternatively, you can make your own mistakes and learn that way.

[xdannyxrocksx]

ok so number one i did not sell my own gf a fish with ich, if you would read you would understand what is going on. The OP said her self that the fish just recently obtained ich, but its ok some of us do not like to read and just like to talk. it has worked for me and the store.

[AuroraDrvr]

Originally Posted by xdannyxrocksx

ok so number one i did not sell my own gf a fish with ich, if you would read you would understand what is going on. The OP said her self that the fish just recently obtained ich, but its ok some of us do not like to read and just like to talk. it has worked for me and the store.

Ich doesn't just magically appear out of no where.

[xdannyxrocksx]

no it does not, she has had the fish for a month, it currently came up with ich, we had the fish for roughly 4 weeks before she purchased the fish. Also ich is really common in aquariums, there is not a fish that does not come in contact with this protozoan, Its the stress levels of the fish that drop his or her imune system witch allows the diseas to take over the fish. Best way to keep ich out is qt tank, making sure all water parameters are good as well as temperature and so on so the fish does not stress and lets the diseas take over. There is not a single aquarium that does not have this protozoan present.

[xdannyxrocksx]

to the OP keep up with your water changes, keep up the treatment, dont worrie about raisin the temperature because that makes no difference in marine ich. Make sure he is eating and keep a close eye on him see what stresses him out you should be fine.