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Old 05/23/2018, 08:56 PM   #1
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30 years and about to give up.

I was raised with SW and Reef aquaria. I've done everything from show SPS tanks to owning and operating wholesale coral shops. I have always been successful even when importing difficult to care for coral.

Over the years I've downgraded my home system. Career and kids have taken priority. I'm now having the toughest times in reefing! Just when I thought things were going to get simple, I'm more frustrated than ever.

Zoanthids have been mostly closed since January.

My tank is fairly basic.. 75 AGA. My current "bullet proof" setup.

Toadstools

Zoanthids

Torch

Chalice

small hippo tang

False clown

damsels

It appears to me there is some serious coral warfare going on. Corals open after water changes, then close up 3 to 4 days later.
I'm wet skimming and running a carbon reactor. Water parameters have been tested and retested. I have "perfect water" according to every LFS and my own testing. I dose 2 part as needed.



What corals could be causing issues? What can I pull out to see if things improve.
I've changed out EVERYTHING except for the coral. (Rock, pumps, lights, etc)
Something in this tank is ****ed off, what is it?

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Old 05/24/2018, 05:16 AM   #2
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Can you post numbers? What are your actual test results? What lights do you use? That is a pretty big shadow down the center of your tank, what is causing that? Zoanthids on the left side look fine, the right ones look unhappy, have you tried moving them?


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Old 05/24/2018, 07:04 AM   #3
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Looks like those palys are touching the toadstool, that could be causing the toadstool to respond with toxins. Leathers are known for that.


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Old 05/25/2018, 03:18 AM   #4
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Looks like those palys are touching the toadstool, that could be causing the toadstool to respond with toxins. Leathers are known for that.

Was just going to say this exact thing, but the OP is running carbon in a reactor so the toxins the leather is putting out should be soaked up by the carbon. Could still be the problem, cause I do see 2 in there.


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Old 05/25/2018, 06:12 AM   #5
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can you post a pic of the filtration?


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Old 05/30/2018, 05:04 PM   #6
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Thank you all for your interest in my issue. Although the toadstools are NOT touching any of the Zoanthids, I can see where they Toadstool heads have receded in areas where the were millimeters from touching zoanthid colonies. This must be causing some stress and potential warfare.

Today I cut off all toadstoods and mounted them on rubble in this was causing an issue

Please see my thread from January. Parameters are the same
Temp 74
ph 8.3 - 8.2
KH 10-12
Cal 380-400
TDS 0 on top off
Dose BRS 2 part

Using Chinese LEDs. (about 50%) The shadow is not visible to the naked eye, but is caused by the cross bar on the tank and a fan. I place my low light corals there.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh....php?t=2661266


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Old 05/30/2018, 05:09 PM   #7
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Old 05/31/2018, 03:19 AM   #8
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WoW. 30 years in the hobby and still reaching out to learn. I tip my hat. When you say you have "downgraded your home system" exactly what did that entail? It would be helpful to know then and now. I think we can all learn something here.


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Old 05/31/2018, 11:23 AM   #9
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WoW. 30 years in the hobby and still reaching out to learn. I tip my hat. When you say you have "downgraded your home system" exactly what did that entail? It would be helpful to know then and now. I think we can all learn something here.
Here is a pic from 2008.


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Old 05/31/2018, 01:10 PM   #10
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I had a similar problem (corals slowly shrinking to nothing, no growth, briefly bouncing back after large water changes) and solved it by replacing my DIY plastic tub "food safe" sump with acrylic. The turnaround was immediate. I don't see any nameless plastics in your filtration picture, any hiding elsewhere?

An ICP test might be worthwhile to see if anything is releasing metals into your system.

I also had an old Koralia die recently - the shielding on the power cord wore away near where it attached to the pump. The tank was not happy with the stray current (and maybe some copper from the corroding lines). Worth checking.


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Old 05/31/2018, 04:26 PM   #11
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I had a similar problem (corals slowly shrinking to nothing, no growth, briefly bouncing back after large water changes) and solved it by replacing my DIY plastic tub "food safe" sump with acrylic. The turnaround was immediate. I don't see any nameless plastics in your filtration picture, any hiding elsewhere?

An ICP test might be worthwhile to see if anything is releasing metals into your system.

I also had an old Koralia die recently - the shielding on the power cord wore away near where it attached to the pump. The tank was not happy with the stray current (and maybe some copper from the corroding lines). Worth checking.
Excellent suggestions zackfishman. With such a drastic change (beautiful tank in 2008 by the way) I would have to think chemistry is the issue. ICP testing and if possible check for any current in the tank. Both great places to start.


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Old 06/09/2018, 04:20 AM   #12
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I had a similar problem (corals slowly shrinking to nothing, no growth, briefly bouncing back after large water changes) and solved it by replacing my DIY plastic tub "food safe" sump with acrylic. The turnaround was immediate. I don't see any nameless plastics in your filtration picture, any hiding elsewhere?

An ICP test might be worthwhile to see if anything is releasing metals into your system.

I also had an old Koralia die recently - the shielding on the power cord wore away near where it attached to the pump. The tank was not happy with the stray current (and maybe some copper from the corroding lines). Worth checking.
I had a koralia magnets rust away, they changed to cheaper magnets and I had a major issue like yours till I found the cause


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Old 06/16/2018, 04:35 PM   #13
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Don't give up. You will regret it.


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