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Old 03/09/2011, 12:50 AM   #1
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What Heater to Buy?

Ok Reef Central,

I am setting up a new display and I am going to buy the Heater(s) soon. It is a 40g Breeder with a 20 L sump and I would like to have redundant heaters, controlled by my Reef Keeper.

I have had Stealth's in the past but I seemed to burn them out fast and they over heat on their way out. I have a Hydor in my display now but am thinking of a Azoo or Won Brothers Titanium elements.

Would a single 100w element cover a 40g Breeder w 60g Total System Volume?

What is the rule of thumb here? (2.5w per Gallon I don't know?)

Let me know.

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Old 03/09/2011, 01:52 AM   #2
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I use two Jager Ebo with my Neptune Jr. they seem good.

I would use two 50watt small heaters.


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Old 03/09/2011, 01:58 AM   #3
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titanium 4 me


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Old 03/09/2011, 04:09 AM   #4
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JBJ true temp titanium heater. see it on BulkReefSupplyCom youtube channel


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Old 03/09/2011, 04:33 AM   #5
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Get a titanium heater with a controller


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Old 03/09/2011, 04:42 AM   #6
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If you want the most reliable bar none, Eheim Jager.


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Old 03/09/2011, 05:28 AM   #7
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my eheim jager runs below the temp it's set at. Get a controller.


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Old 03/09/2011, 05:40 AM   #8
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my eheim jager runs below the temp it's set at. Get a controller.
Did you know you can set the temp on the dial to indicate true if it is off? In others words if you set it to 82 and it runs 80, you can set the dial to 82 so it is dead on.

Ideal setup with controller...

Eheim Jager set to 80 degrees, plugged into controller set to shut down if temps rise above 84, smaller non adjustable heater to kick in if temps run below 78 such as this which I know is factory set at about 78. http://www.arcatapet.com/item.cfm?cat=12960



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Old 03/09/2011, 05:48 AM   #9
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I'm just saying don't rely on any brand in particular because not all heaters are made perfectly. Don't install a new heater when you won't be around to keep an eye on it and run it on a controller. I bought a RKL, which I'll install in a week or two after I have the great joy of moving the tank around, do painting, plumbing and adding more rock


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Old 03/09/2011, 10:01 AM   #10
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I replaced all my recalled Stealth Pro's with Fluval E's recently. So far I really like it. Rock steady temperature (within 0.5 degrees). They are pricey however. I monitor with an Apex controller, but let the Fluval E keep the temp in check rather than the controller turning on/off the heater. I set a temperature threshold so if by chance the temp does get above a certain range, it will cut power to the heater and send me an alert. If the temp drops below a certain range, it will also send me an alert. Supposedly the Fluval E monitors itself, and will shut itself off if problems are detected to prevent a stuck on condition. If the heating element is having trouble keeping it at the set temp, it will also flash a warning on it's LED screen.

So far my opinion is positive, but it has only been just over a week roughly since I have been using it.


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Old 03/09/2011, 10:06 AM   #11
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I agree with all these folks. Both my systems use Jager on controllers. the controller is set below the temp set on the actual heater just in case the controller wigs out for some reason.
As far as wattage, this truly depends on the ambient temp. On my 150, I have 2 - 250w with an ambient temp of about 68. My frag tank in the garage, which is only 30g, I have a total of 400w because the ambient temp is in the 50s. A
Assuming your tank is inside the house with a decent ambient temp, I would recommend 2 - 100w heater.

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If you want the most reliable bar none, Eheim Jager.
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my eheim jager runs below the temp it's set at. Get a controller.
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Did you know you can set the temp on the dial to indicate true if it is off? In others words if you set it to 82 and it runs 80, you can set the dial to 82 so it is dead on.

Ideal setup with controller...

Eheim Jager set to 80 degrees, plugged into controller set to shut down if temps rise above 84, smaller non adjustable heater to kick in if temps run below 78 such as this which I know is factory set at about 78. http://www.arcatapet.com/item.cfm?cat=12960



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Old 03/09/2011, 12:08 PM   #12
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Eheim Jager is a very good heater, that is what I use in my S.W. tank.


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Old 03/09/2011, 12:36 PM   #13
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I have two 200 W Eheim Jager's on my 120g, big plus on some of the others out there is they are fully submersable. They heated the water to 78 in about 8 to 9 hrs from around 68.


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Old 03/09/2011, 01:04 PM   #14
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The only downfall I've found with Jagers is that the seem to be longer than other glass heaters with comparable watts.


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The only downfall I've found with Jagers is that the seem to be longer than other glass heaters with comparable watts.
They are slightly larger, I was debating between the Fluval and the Eheim (I saw them in the LFS), and the fluval was about 1 1/2 inches shorter, and had a smaller tube. I picked Eheim despite the sized based on reputation.


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Old 03/09/2011, 01:31 PM   #16
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Two Eheim Jagers connected to a controller is the best fail-safe I think. I also like the JBJ Titanium Tru-Temp heaters as well.


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Old 03/09/2011, 01:53 PM   #17
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Eheim Jagers or the JBJ Titanium Tru-Temp heater. Both of these are nice. Eheim have a long reputation behind them. The JBJ are newer, they have an awesome controller, and are titanium. So it is kind of take your pick is the way is sounds on here.


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Old 03/09/2011, 02:14 PM   #18
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three weeks ago I had a visitherm blow up in my sump. I have 2 corals still struggling but the rest seem to be okay now. So I juess you could say I won't recommend this one.


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Old 03/09/2011, 02:37 PM   #19
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I have two 300w Eheim Jagers for 200g actual water volume,I figure the more watts the less they have to work.And should one fail I have at least 300w working and I was able to snyc them so they pretty much come on together,no controller.Less than half a degree fluctuation.


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Old 03/09/2011, 02:47 PM   #20
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All heaters are crap, plain and simple. Get what you think will be the best for your application and buy a controller. Let the controller control the heaters instead of relying on the heater to do it.

BUT - After returning my Stealths, I'm using Aqueon heaters now. The Aqueon boasts a lifetime warranty, but I also have them hooked up to a Ranco.


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Old 03/09/2011, 06:11 PM   #21
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Aqueon are kind of like generic heaters. When you buy a kit you get that type of equip. Why would you trust the well being of your tank and risk the total loss of your investment to a piece of crap like that? .....Just a thought.


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1 Eheim Jager on a Ranco Controller + another Eheim Jager on my neptune controller = relative safety


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