lightning Clown

[ed102475]

I cant belive it , they look cool .

[davocean]

That was a big deal on here not long ago.
I recall reading that one of the breeding pair, and maybe that very one there died, but I'm not absolutely certain on that.
I haven't seen anything on them being available.

[cet98]

went to a breeder by the name of Matt Pedersen....
here is his blog: "The Lightning Project"

an interesting read IMO

[jc430]

when i first saw that clown it had a price tag of 5000 grand

[davocean]

What a lot of needless drama in that link that would have been nice if he edited that crud out.
I know maroons are fussy and all, but it's hard for me to believe that much time and dificulty to pair.
I can't say I disagree w/ the trolls comments, or at least some of them, mainly being distracted, which was kind of obvious when it turned into an ecoxotic/panorama review.
I could only read/bear so much, as far as I could tell the lightning is badly scarred/wounded, and not paired up yet?

[Faye]

Originally Posted by jc430

when i first saw that clown it had a price tag of 5000 grand

five million? Wow.

[bradleym]

Originally Posted by Faye

five million? Wow.

Oh good you saw that too. LOL

[deangelr]

Originally Posted by davocean

What a lot of needless drama in that link that would have been nice if he edited that crud out.
I know maroons are fussy and all, but it's hard for me to believe that much time and dificulty to pair.
I can't say I disagree w/ the trolls comments, or at least some of them, mainly being distracted, which was kind of obvious when it turned into an ecoxotic/panorama review.
I could only read/bear so much, as far as I could tell the lightning is badly scarred/wounded, and not paired up yet?

I can understand the pairing difficulties. He wants to pair the lightning maroon with another PNG maroon. The female he had it paired with died a while back. Because the fish is male, and he only has other male PNG maroons, he is having difficulty. He will have to wait for the lighting to change to female until it will accept a male mate.

The lightning was wounded from jumping out of its part of the tank and into the tank with some angelfish... if i remember correctly, it is now healed up.

I can understand where you coming from about the ecoxotic review part, the one section of the blog I didn't care to read.But you gotta pay the dues when you get a free tank.

[davocean]

I didn't catch the angel fish part, but that leads me to wonder why he didn't have a cover on his tank?
I think if I paid that much $$ or had such a rare clown I would have every angle covered for it's safety, but oh well, not my clown.
The part I don't get also is his pairing and purposely throwing in weak clowns he intended on culling back on top the potential mate to add some sort of confusion, or I guess make the potential mate seem more desireable?
I don't know, seems an odd way to pair.
I think I would have prefered the lightning be a female anyways, so maybe it will work out for the better.

[Whip316]

wouldnt you want it to stay male? doesnt most of the better genes come from the males anyway?

[deangelr]

Originally Posted by Whip316

wouldnt you want it to stay male? doesnt most of the better genes come from the males anyway?

Most of the better genes come from the male..? No, this is not accurate, although I like how it sounds..

It is actually preferred for the clown to stay male becuase if another lighting PNG maroon was found, then you would be able to eventually pair the two regardless of sex. If the clown turns female, and another female is found, pairing would be impossible (Maybe just close to impossible as sex reversals have been noted)..

[davocean]

^^That does make sense.
I was just voicing personal opinion on wanting the standout clown to be a nice big fat egg laying female, and males are kinda more vulnerable since they are the ones that have to prove themselves worthy to the much more aggro female.

[deangelr]

I agree with your logic as well.. If I were Matt I would be patient and let biology take its course. I would leave the lighting in the tank and put a small maroon in a breeder box in the same tank. It would be visible to the lighting but safe from it also. Every couple of weeks I would attempt to pair them.. Eventually the lighting will realize that is ok to turn female and should do so..

All these advaced pairing techniques we see could be pretty risky for the males.

IME with maroon clowns, they are actually one of the easiet clowns to pair. A very large maroon and a very small maroon will pair up instantly. At least they did for me in my 2 tries.

[davocean]

Well I guess that is why I was thinking my first thought, since my last female maroon that was fairly large, killed the first 2 males(and they were tiny) before I could even grab a net.
And this was w/ the breeder box trick.
Now days I can read them a lil better and I totally agree breeder box intro is best.
I've always felt maroons are one of the hardest to pair, but that just been my exp.

[PraireDogging]

Originally Posted by Whip316

wouldnt you want it to stay male? doesnt most of the better genes come from the males anyway?

I've read this somewhere years ago. Something about more of the genetic makeup coming from the male. It could be totally wrong but I have seen that info somewhere.

[deangelr]

really trying to get to that 50 post count huh?

[Dvara78]

I hope these become available over time....I also head that one of the two died.

[umdivx]

Matt responds to this thread on his blog... http://www.lightning-maroon-clownfish.com/?p=1102

-Josh

[Rippinfrags]

Originally Posted by deangelr

really trying to get to that 50 post count huh?

Productive post yourself. His comment was not off topic by any means. Matt Pederson kinda made you and davocean sound silly in his blog. I know the two of you are very experienced, but your responses did seem like you only read part of the blog.

[davocean]

Too bad he's banned and couldn't respond here so we could have an actual conversation.
I guess he didn't like my opinion much, and that really is all it was, and my convo was w/ OP, not him.
If I did what he calls selective reading, it was only because it trailed so far from the topic I was interested in, and I like many others really are just curious about the progress of breeding that clown.
I do agree maroons are tough to pair, and my worst pairing experience did take 3 tries and a couple months, but I was doing the most common method of getting a female to accept a new male, not the other way around.
I do see benefits from both ways, just my opinion(and that's all it is) is if that were my lightning, I would prefer the safer route of letting it become female so it doesn't get torn up or killed, and when you have the offspring you have the opportunity to pair them as you wish, just seems safer to me that way.

[deangelr]

Originally Posted by Rippinfrags

Productive post yourself. His comment was not off topic by any means. Matt Pederson kinda made you and davocean sound silly in his blog. I know the two of you are very experienced, but your responses did seem like you only read part of the blog.

You missed the poster.. he posted the same thing "wow cool" on like 5 different threads and all at once. (I think the post got removed)

I read the whole blog, no selective reading on my part.. I don't even know what was said..

[Rippinfrags]

Originally Posted by davocean

Too bad he's banned and couldn't respond here so we could have an actual conversation.
I guess he didn't like my opinion much, and that really is all it was, and my convo was w/ OP, not him.
If I did what he calls selective reading, it was only because it trailed so far from the topic I was interested in, and I like many others really are just curious about the progress of breeding that clown.
I do agree maroons are tough to pair, and my worst pairing experience did take 3 tries and a couple months, but I was doing the most common method of getting a female to accept a new male, not the other way around.
I do see benefits from both ways, just my opinion(and that's all it is) is if that were my lightning, I would prefer the safer route of letting it become female so it doesn't get torn up or killed, and when you have the offspring you have the opportunity to pair them as you wish, just seems safer to me that way.

Fair enough, I did not like the whole part about the "troll", but I would not have been happy about some of the comments that were made. I feel he was very professional in how he handled the comments though. For the future I hope he stops worrying about what other people think and will focus on keeping us updated on the progress. Not trying to say he hasn't, I just want more! Greedy, I know!

[Rippinfrags]

Originally Posted by deangelr

You missed the poster.. he posted the same thing "wow cool" on like 5 different threads and all at once.

I read the whole blog, no selective reading on my part.. I don't even know what was said..

I was wondering if there was more to the story, my bad. As far as the selective reading goes, you sort of restated exactly one of the techniques that Matt pederson talked about in his blog.

[deangelr]

HaHa,

I really don't get that.. We are just having good conversation about the fish and his processes.. I really do not think anyone on this board has been overly critical at all. This should be good advertisement and get the word out more about his project. Very strange.. I was not expecting, nor wanting to be called out publicly on his blog.

Here is the comment I tried to make on his sight that is currently down on the comment box..


Chuckle.. Huh? Were you selectively reading the thread as well?

I said I would be more patient. I wouldn't be trying what I would consider risky "pairing techniques" Yes i know you are doing what I all ready explained but I wouldn't be taking the "female" out of the specimen cup all the time, or trying "advanced techniques"

I have been supportive of your efforts on RC and don't understand why you would attack some lowly poster on RC.. Strange

"P – again, that’s what I alluded to earlier saying “I could do this in 72 hours”. With the right mates, pairing Maroons should be easy. With less ideal mates (in terms of size) it becomes tough. I have many other maroons here so I can work with them and learn from them, and indeed, they are not easy to pair if there isn’t a big size difference. Also, GSMS are fundamentally different, and far easier going. Experiences with Gold stripes don’t really translate to White Stripes."

Again, you must be doing some selective reading and missed the "IME" part. I explained earlier in the thread that I understood why you couldn't find you were having trouble pairing the two and that you were only using PNG maroons.

Again, attacking the poster that is supporting you buddy.. I don't get it.. I criticized your ecoexotic tank review.. Im a thread poster always in for some good banter.. thats all. You are taking things a little too seriously..

[davocean]

Originally Posted by deangelr

HaHa,

I really don't get that.. We are just having good conversation about the fish and his processes.. I really do not think anyone on this board has been overly critical at all. This should be good advertisement and get the word out more about his project. Very strange.. I was not expecting, nor wanting to be called out publicly on his blog.

Here is the comment I tried to make on his sight that is currently down on the comment box..

I was kinda trippin' on that too, to be quoted on a site I'm not a member of from a site that he is banned from!LOL
Oh well, the lightning got a lot of attention when it was first posted, so maybe being in the spotlight has made him a bit defensive.
Really I was just very curious since this was such a big deal back when, and I have heard very little about it, but I didn't realize he was banned from here.
The fact that he states reviewing products because he had nothing to talk about kinda validates the so called "trolls" point IMO on his wandering off subject(and what bored me from reading the whole drama thread)
Anyway, I was just questioning his techniques, which he assumed was bashing.
I think this thread alone shows some of us may disagree on techniques only to actually see other points of view posted by others and learn from our discussions.