Going to try One And Only Nitrifying Bacteria by Dr Tim's Aquatics

[f3honda4me]

We are "bashing" him because dr Tim's doesn't make you have no cycle, and he put his fish into an uncycled tank (4 clowns bad combo in that size tank) and he is going to have ammonia spikes which will likely kill any fish that haven't already killed each other.

Yes it makes you cycle a bit quicker, but dr Tim's is not magic in a bottle that makes you have no ammonia spike or cycle. You even admit that in your post then wonder why we are "bashing" him?

[crankbait]

I used dr tims to cycle my tank. My experince is that it didnt really speed up the cycle but it did allow me to have fish from day 1. Now acording to dr.tim the bacteria makes it safe for a couple fish. If it wasnt safe for the fish they would have died. They are thriving today. Having said all that im not a vegetarian. Any vegans out there have a legit complaint those who eat meat dont have a leg to stand on for the mistreatment of animals. Visit a chicken farm some time if you want to talk about torture.

[Nammy]

Originally Posted by f3honda4me

we are "bashing" him because dr tim's doesn't make you have no cycle, and he put his fish into an uncycled tank (4 clowns bad combo in that size tank) and he is going to have ammonia spikes which will likely kill any fish that haven't already killed each other.

Yes it makes you cycle a bit quicker, but dr tim's is not magic in a bottle that makes you have no ammonia spike or cycle. You even admit that in your post then wonder why we are "bashing" him?

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[Plato]

Originally Posted by f3honda4me

We are "bashing" him because dr Tim's doesn't make you have no cycle, and he put his fish into an uncycled tank (4 clowns bad combo in that size tank) and he is going to have ammonia spikes which will likely kill any fish that haven't already killed each other.

Yes it makes you cycle a bit quicker, but dr Tim's is not magic in a bottle that makes you have no ammonia spike or cycle. You even admit that in your post then wonder why we are "bashing" him?

I'm not schooling him on his fish choices as they define their boundaries he can take the other clown out if necessary. I have had a 120 with two sets of clowns. All 4 went in at the same time and maybe I got luck but they paired off nicely. When you say ammonia spike what to you mean. My experience with a new tank and new fish with the bacteria I have never gotten more than .05 ppm ammonia (digital colorimeter). I thought .25 might be considered a spike. I never let it get that high. 1 ppm for fish is bad .25 can be stressfully but under 0.1 ppm is not going to hurt in the short term.

[Potsy]

I used Dr. Tim's to jump-start a cycle (out of necessity, not impatience) and it worked quite well. Never got any ammonia or nitrite readings. I wouldn't go plopping coral in right away, but if an emergency arises and livestock has to be moved quickly, then it's effective.

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[snakeklr]

Thank you Plato. A fellow reefer told me about it and its been a while since I had a system so I figure what the hey. I will play guinea pig and try it for the locals.

anyways heres todays report

Well Day #1 "nuke" test.

All is well, all the fish are swiming with ease. Happy as fish, The Zoa's are wide open, all eating as they should, even the Zoa's were happy to get some zooplex. Another reefer gave me a hand leather and a small Zoo frag that was laying in the bottom of his tank. They opened up withing ten minutes after they were dripped and put in the tank.

Oh I noticed some green hair algea? Ussually with a new tank I get the brown algea spell, Shut the lights off for 3 days and they are gone. But this did not happen. Now i notice hair algea. What is odd is the rock was all dry. How is this possible in 1 day to have hair algea? No brown algea bloom? hmm.

Level test
Phosphates 2.0ppm same as yesterday
NO2- 0ppm same as yesterday
NO3- 10ppm- 5ppm up from yesterday

Only raise was the Nitrates 5 to 10 ppm so 5ppm raise.

[Toddrtrex]

2 PPM for Phosphates is very very high. Not sure if it is leaching from the dry rocks, or from something in Dr. Tim's, but would keep a very close eye on them.

[snakeklr]

Probably leaching, the 1st test were done before Dr Tim's and any Livestock.

[Reefahholic]

Originally Posted by f3honda4me

We are "bashing" him because dr Tim's doesn't make you have no cycle, and he put his fish into an uncycled tank (4 clowns bad combo in that size tank) and he is going to have ammonia spikes which will likely kill any fish that haven't already killed each other.

Yes it makes you cycle a bit quicker, but dr Tim's is not magic in a bottle that makes you have no ammonia spike or cycle. You even admit that in your post then wonder why we are "bashing" him?

Really man?

Is that any way to talk to one of our fellow reefers?

Cut the guy some slack, He's just trying to start a tank like everybody else.

BTW...have you used DR. Tims, do you have personal experience with it?

I personally know a lot of people who have had great results with it. Treat people how you would like to be treated. Love your neighbor as yourself.

[Plato]

I'm now felling the love.

[Reefahholic]

Originally Posted by Plato

I'm now felling the love.

feeling***

[RNX CTD]

Well I wish I went with dr Tim's, I did the old shrimp in sump for 3 days and got milky water, going on 7 days. 120 gallon with 80lbs dry rock from Marco and reef cleaners.

[Plato]

I've been in the Kraken the past houre or so!

[phillyfishguy]

I went the plain old way and let my tank cycle and mature. I added plain old ammonia. It takes long but gives you more time to read and learn this hobby. Everyone is different but I just decided to do it this way.

[davocean]

I know I have my own opinion on that Dr Tims already, and if someone wants to still use it/try it that is fine, that is all on you.
My issue is using fish as a cycle starter, that is so outdated, and I think cruel to the fish.
Animals should not be placed in a tank until you are certain it has cycled and all params are clear and stable.
On top of it you should really read up on multiple clowns kept in one tank, it usually doesn't work out.

[kaipo13]

I am curious how nitrifying bacteria are supposed to survive in a bottle for however long they are there without any food? I suppose Dr. Tim has found some secret answer to placing the bacteria in some sort of suspending animation?

This is the big problem I have believing this... I'm not saying it isn't possible to transfer bugs(bacteria,) but, in my experience with waste water plants(different "bugs" I know,) the bacteria are very, very sensitive to environmental changes, and can't last very long without food to survive.

Dr. Tim could revolutionize the waste water/water treatment industry world-wide with his snake oil if you believe this...

[f3honda4me]

Originally Posted by Reefahholic

I personally know a lot of people who have had great results with it. Treat people how you would like to be treated. Love your neighbor as yourself.

I use dr tims all the time. I love it. Always cuts down on my cycle time. I still do get a cycle though. With enough ammonia to kill fish. I don't use dr tims and live fish. I use dr Tim's and a shrimp or in some cases pure ammonia.

[f3honda4me]

Originally Posted by davocean

I know I have my own opinion on that Dr Tims already, and if someone wants to still use it/try it that is fine, that is all on you.
My issue is using fish as a cycle starter, that is so outdated, and I think cruel to the fish.
Animals should not be placed in a tank until you are certain it has cycled and all params are clear and stable.
On top of it you should really read up on multiple clowns kept in one tank, it usually doesn't work out.

This was my point exactly.

[f3honda4me]

Originally Posted by kaipo13

I am curious how nitrifying bacteria are supposed to survive in a bottle for however long they are there without any food? I suppose Dr. Tim has found some secret answer to placing the bacteria in some sort of suspending animation?

This is the big problem I have believing this... I'm not saying it isn't possible to transfer bugs(bacteria,) but, in my experience with waste water plants(different "bugs" I know,) the bacteria are very, very sensitive to environmental changes, and can't last very long without food to survive.

Dr. Tim could revolutionize the waste water/water treatment industry world-wide with his snake oil if you believe this...

Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it "snake oil". If you wish to provide your credentials and some kind of data, we'd be happy to hear it.

[docstomper]

I would DEFIANTLY use Dr. Tim Products. He has a PhD in aquarium/ocean bacteria. He wrote his thesis on bacteria in aquariums. He is a very intelligent man and would not sell you Snake Oil. He also will answer your phone calls if you call him and answer any questions you have.

Keep in mind, he has a PhD in this stuff!

Just had him down in Vegas where he spoke to us about bacteria in aquariums.

BTW, He WILL be at MAX this year!

[snakeklr]

Well folks,
With all the bashing, Nay sayers, heer say, I am doing it. LIke I call it its a "Nuke" test. take it as it is, the fish and corals are guinea pigs to the test. If they survive Great, if not then so be it lesson learnt. Someone has to try it, and with me I always push the envelop. I get a kick out of it when someone tells me i cant do it, I do it to prove them wrong. And normally I win. My grandpa told me there is always a better way to turn a screw, we just have to figure it out. So I see it this way. I am risking my time, my expensess, my effort, My system, And I am logging it each day to show you how it is going. Anyone want to come down and look at it run your own test please. I have taken a lot of hated coments and misdirect concerns, You dodnt pay my bills. So here is teh results, 48 hrs after treatment.

Day #2 "nuke" test.

All is well.


Level test
Phosphates PO3/4 0.5ppm down 1.5 from yesterday
NO2- 0ppm same
NO3- 0ppm- -10down from yesterday
Amonia NH3- oppm not a trace

so everything zeroing out? is it possible?

Oh the brown algea on sand started to day very lightly.

Also side note: added a devils hand, another zoo
The X-wife let me get my old LR from the back yard, so i sent my son down to Ark to get it. Abt 50-80ish of dry LR. been sitting on the back porch from when i took the 300 down. So now have plenty of LR. lol now have to do some rearanging.

Hope everyone has a great Sunday!

[Moort82]

Originally Posted by davocean

I know I have my own opinion on that Dr Tims already, and if someone wants to still use it/try it that is fine, that is all on you.
My issue is using fish as a cycle starter, that is so outdated, and I think cruel to the fish.
Animals should not be placed in a tank until you are certain it has cycled and all params are clear and stable.
On top of it you should really read up on multiple clowns kept in one tank, it usually doesn't work out.

Completely agree. We can't get Dr Tims over here to my knowledge and i think that's a good thing. I'm not sure if it would be popular anyway but i prefer a more natural way tbh. Patience is key in this hobby and rushing it will get you no where. Take it slow and do as much research as possible and your half way there.

[Toddrtrex]

Wow, doing this to try to prove people wrong and referring to your corals, fish and inverts as guinea pigs?!?

That attitude is enough for me to unsubscribe from this thread.

[Grace tank]

Dogs,cats,rats even people are used as guinea pigs! This is how the world advances.
I personally would not use the product,but only because I started the old way many years ago with my tanks and that is what worked for me so I will continue to do it the old fashioned way.
I don't think we should bash anybody who tries something new.i think we have all done something with our tanks a time or two even when we were told that it was not a good idea!
Keep us up to date-curiosity has me so I am reading along.