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Old 09/07/2015, 11:01 PM   #1751
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Black out and reduced photo periods don't work.
Dinos love the sand so remove it, at least where the light shines on it.
Leave the skimmer, phos media off til green algae is growing on the glass.
Run a small amount of carbon.
10uM filter socks.
No water changes.
Run tank water through a 5uM sediment filter with a pump and change the filter every 5 days.
Keep dosing phyto.
Doing all that except the 5 micron filter and sand removal. I wish I had green algae on the glass. Or anywhere. Got cyano in a few places, and dinos. Not sure how I'd even set up a 5 micron sediment filter, it would clog instantaneously, but I will look into it. I think I have some 10uM socks around, previously had them overnight on the return nozzles. They sure clogged up quickly.

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Old 09/07/2015, 11:10 PM   #1752
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Been awhile since I have posted any updates on my battle with dinos. Slow flow UV (57 watt aquaUV) did not kill them but does seem to help in controlling the populations.

So now I am getting ready to close on a house and do not have a good place for an 8 foot tank. I am going to use this move as an opportunity to do a reset. Am in the process of ordering a custom tank and stand. Plan to use all new live rock and sand from TBS so I don't just move dinos to the new tank and will have plenty of microfauna. I do want to keep my corals and fish. Any suggestions on ways to prevent dinos from hitching a ride into the new tank on my corals? I will have to move a few pieces of rock over that my few remaining larger corals are heavily encrusted on. Thanks in advance.
Congrats on the new house! One of my favourite quotes is that 3 moves equals a house fire. I don't have any advice on moving corals, except that I'd do a dip to the max tolerance of the coral. You might try Bayer insecticide dips; I haven't tried it myself but I read that it kills pretty much everything and is tolerated well by corals. TBS seem like a great company; if they shipped up here to Canadia I'd have used their rock.

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Old 09/08/2015, 01:32 AM   #1753
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I hope this isn't veering off topic here, but since so many of you have them - can I get a recommendation on where to get a good scope? My notes (probably from talking w pants) tell me 4 or 10 objective and 40x magnification but a quality lens is most important. Any brand suggestions? I'm not sure how I would assess the lens. TIA.


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Old 09/08/2015, 03:05 AM   #1754
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I'll share a personal ally - urchins. The cheapest ones you can find. Get a bunch.

I've never had one die and they eat up cyano, diatoms, algae and bacterial growths. They're pretty indiscriminate and they shift the tide of war.

Well, they did for me anyway.


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Old 09/08/2015, 08:03 AM   #1755
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I want to take sandbed out to reduce dinoflagellates, but how do I do that with a pistol shrimp?


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Old 09/08/2015, 08:12 AM   #1756
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Does anyone else have the same problem as me....

Dealing with dinoflagellates and still buying corals? LOL


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Old 09/08/2015, 08:14 AM   #1757
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Girlfriends tank has dinoflagellates thanks to yours truly But since it's a new tank, we will be experimenting with hair algae.

Hair algae has started to form on her sandbed (new tank process). Will let it grow out and see if it outcompetes the dinos. If it does, I will be taking some and putting it in my tank.


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Old 09/08/2015, 01:24 PM   #1758
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Congrats on the new house! One of my favourite quotes is that 3 moves equals a house fire. I don't have any advice on moving corals, except that I'd do a dip to the max tolerance of the coral. You might try Bayer insecticide dips; I haven't tried it myself but I read that it kills pretty much everything and is tolerated well by corals. TBS seem like a great company; if they shipped up here to Canadia I'd have used their rock.

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Thanks Ivy, I appreciate it.
I was thinking of dipping everything, but wasn't sure what might be effective on dinos.
I was also thinking about spaying any exposed rock that corals are attached to with hydrogen peroxide.


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Old 09/08/2015, 02:37 PM   #1759
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Anyone have dino-x left over? I would like to buy the bottle of dino-x if you have some left. PM me. Maybe it will work on my kind. I am desperate. lol


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Old 09/08/2015, 03:10 PM   #1760
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my corals seem really happy...good growth, some with good color others with OK color others more brown that i like to see.

interesting that there are different views on what that photo represents....is there someplace/someone that is the expert on IDing this stuff?


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Old 09/08/2015, 03:21 PM   #1761
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Anyone have dino-x left over? I would like to buy the bottle of dino-x if you have some left. PM me. Maybe it will work on my kind. I am desperate. lol

I would try everything else before dinox. I wish I had never used it. It wipes out all the pods and good stuff. I have been battling Dino for 6 months. I am finally getting some good results by adding a lot of pods, black outs and siphoning them out every couple days. Dinox did not work for me and I think did more bad than good, but that is just my opinion and experience. Dino's are the devil!


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Old 09/08/2015, 03:39 PM   #1762
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I would try everything else before dinox. I wish I had never used it. It wipes out all the pods and good stuff. I have been battling Dino for 6 months. I am finally getting some good results by adding a lot of pods, black outs and siphoning them out every couple days. Dinox did not work for me and I think did more bad than good, but that is just my opinion and experience. Dino's are the devil!
Thanks for the advice. I just feel like crap. I want to enjoy the hobby and this algae is ruining it and making me waste more money than I have too.


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Old 09/08/2015, 08:35 PM   #1763
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Believe me I understand. I have had every algae you can have and Dino has been the most difficult thing I have had to deal with. Just be patient and be persistent and you will win. Nothing happens fast in a reef tank. Read all you can in is thread and other threads and try to do what the others have suggested. I think the pods and phyto is the way to go. UV sounds like it works too if you can use one. I don't think there is a magic potion or treatment that will get rid of it overnight. Apply more than one method others have used and don't give up. Good luck


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Old 09/08/2015, 10:11 PM   #1764
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I hope this isn't veering off topic here, but since so many of you have them - can I get a recommendation on where to get a good scope? My notes (probably from talking w pants) tell me 4 or 10 objective and 40x magnification but a quality lens is most important. Any brand suggestions? I'm not sure how I would assess the lens. TIA.
Not Toys R Us. Seriously about 3 of my friends with kids have toy scopes, and none of them work. I'd actually try your local university/technical college /mad scientist organisation; they will probably have lots of used ones up for much less than a new will cost. (Mine's from uni surplus. Now if I could just find slides for it..)

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Old 09/08/2015, 10:13 PM   #1765
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I'll share a personal ally - urchins. The cheapest ones you can find. Get a bunch.

I've never had one die and they eat up cyano, diatoms, algae and bacterial growths. They're pretty indiscriminate and they shift the tide of war.

Well, they did for me anyway.
Hey, cool.. did you have snails die though? I think urchins are very cool animals, but I know I have a snail-killing variety of dinos.

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Old 09/08/2015, 10:15 PM   #1766
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Thanks Ivy, I appreciate it.
I was thinking of dipping everything, but wasn't sure what might be effective on dinos.
I was also thinking about spaying any exposed rock that corals are attached to with hydrogen peroxide.
Looking through an older thread on dinos at lunch for ideas and ran into this:
Here's a link to someone experimenting with his dinos: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/sh...962886&page=36
Pretty good info for dipping.

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Old 09/08/2015, 10:42 PM   #1767
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my corals seem really happy...good growth, some with good color others with OK color others more brown that i like to see.

interesting that there are different views on what that photo represents....is there someplace/someone that is the expert on IDing this stuff?
There was a grad student/ post doc? named Pants who was doing a thesis on dino taxonomy. Before I had them, unfortunately. He was collecting samples from aquarists. He's probably long graduated by now, but his website is here:
http://www.algaeid.com/identification/

Here's youtube videos of some of the more common dinos: (also by Pants) https://www.youtube.com/user/YorickSanchez/feed

I would post the pic you have to wetwebmedia's question of the day. They do have experts on staff. That's how I found out I had dinos, then I came here. Kind of backwards.

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Old 09/09/2015, 01:05 AM   #1768
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Hey, cool.. did you have snails die though? I think urchins are very cool animals, but I know I have a snail-killing variety of dinos.

Ivy
Snails, hares and crabs died. Urchins just munched on.

Helps to be as ancient as the diatoms on the evolutionary chain.


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Old 09/09/2015, 09:16 PM   #1769
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Has anyone tried running a diatom filter at night to try and rid the tank of Dino? I just read an interesting article about this very thing.

http://aquarticles.com/articles/mana...omfilters.html


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Old 09/09/2015, 09:46 PM   #1770
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Hmmmm, a diatomaceous filter running in the dark as the main filter with high in-tank flow for several days should scrub the water pretty aggressively. Has anyone tried this?
That's what I said a few pages ago...

Looking through that site, I think this is the article you're talking about.
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/...xic_Algae.html


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Ahh I must of missed that Karin. My tank currently has Dino but I also have very high phosphate and nitrates so if they are still around after I get my levels down I may try this. I am just wondering if this is a better route compared to uv.


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Old 09/09/2015, 11:12 PM   #1772
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Different, yes. Why better?


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Old 09/10/2015, 06:42 AM   #1773
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Well if it works it could be a cheaper route over uv. A uv for my system would be $500 while I could get a good diatom for $200 or less.

Not saying it is better. In fact I think uv is a better choice overall because you get other benefits out of it


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Old 09/10/2015, 10:39 AM   #1774
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My UV was $200. How big's your system?


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260G. I was looking at the Emperor Aquatics. I have always read the twist and other brands are not worth the money and are not effective.


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