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Old 09/29/2015, 08:16 PM   #1976
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No. Dirty tank (nutrient rich) will support the whole food chain, especially the bottom. That will compete AND eat Dino's. Dino's thrive in "bottom of food chain depleted" systems

... Ha. I think that made sense...


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Old 09/29/2015, 08:29 PM   #1977
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Day 12 or 13 of h202 dosing. Very little to no dino growth so far during photo period, my rock and sand look amazing. I have a shipment of chaeto/pods arriving on Thursday. I'm wondering if I should make tonight or tomorrow night my last dose of h202 for a bit... its kind of scary stopping but I don't want it to affect the copepods. It's also been 3 weeks with no water change... should I do one soon?



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Old 09/29/2015, 08:34 PM   #1978
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Day 12 or 13 of h202 dosing. Very litttle to no dino growth so far during photo period, my rock and sand look amazing. I have a shipment of chaeto/pods arriving on Thursday. I'm wondering if I should make tonight or tomorrow night my last dose of h202 for a bit... its kind of scary stopping but I don't want it to affect the copepods. It's also been 3 weeks with no water change... should I do one soon?

Not til you have to. I haven't done one in months. Too risky and I don't see the need. Not til my levels get too high anyways


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Old 09/29/2015, 10:47 PM   #1979
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What phyto should I dose?

I think I may have a little dino


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Old 09/29/2015, 10:49 PM   #1980
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Right now I dose the concentrated stuff. ( I think the dead stuff). When I started I found a fish store that cultured and sold the live stuff in the light green water. Not sure on brands, sorry


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Old 09/29/2015, 10:53 PM   #1981
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What phyto should I dose?

I think I'm beginning to get dinos
From my understanding phyto is actually food. I think you would want to dose benthic copepods (Tisbe biminiensis). You could dose some phyto after the dinos recede to keep pod populations high. Here are a couple links from a couple pages back.

http://www.nano-reef.com/topic/276657-the-pod-farm/
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Old 09/29/2015, 10:55 PM   #1982
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From my understanding, correct me if I'm wrong, is that you really only need to dose phyto. Pod population will go up and down with their supply of food (and pretty quick too).


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Old 09/29/2015, 11:42 PM   #1983
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He probably needs to get a good population of pods going first though?


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Old 09/29/2015, 11:46 PM   #1984
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He probably needs to get a good population of pods going first though?

Yes, probably. When I first started dosing, I bought pods from the same lfs that I got the phyto from. ... Just in case the the Dino environment completely decimated my pods. ... Though I think that is unlikely to have 0 pods.


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Old 09/30/2015, 04:09 PM   #1985
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Where does everyone buy their copepods from?


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Old 09/30/2015, 04:26 PM   #1986
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I heard all the online stores that would ship to you suck. Can you get some cheato or a chunk of liverock from someone? Other than that, just dose phyto daily and your pod population should go up


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Old 09/30/2015, 05:47 PM   #1987
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I have pods, I added a mixed benthic and pelagic culture as well as amphipods from sachs aquaculture. I just need phyto for them and for the other micro good guys



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Old 09/30/2015, 07:26 PM   #1988
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I'm not convinced pelagic species last long in aquariums with fish, protein skimmers, filter socks, etc. Benthic tisbe seems to be the ticket. Amphipods eat copepods though. Why feed tisbe copepods phytoplankton right off the bat if they are detrivores that also consume dinos? They can feed on phytoplankton too, but I think that should only be an option when you can't visibly see food sources. Just an opinion, I'm sure there's more than one way to skin the cat.


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Old 09/30/2015, 08:01 PM   #1989
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Does anyone know if dinoflagellates kills copepods? If they kill inverts, how do they not kill copepods If they eat them


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Old 09/30/2015, 09:09 PM   #1990
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My smallest snails and hermit crabs didn't die from dinos. My largest snails and big sea hare died immediately.

I think scale does matter. The larger herbivores may stir up a more potent chemical response for a larger population of dinos than the smaller predators who are attacking a minute quantity at a time?


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Old 09/30/2015, 09:38 PM   #1991
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"Dinoflagellates are eaten more by copepods than by any other organism."

" The results show that Ceratium provides a suitable food
source for advanced copepodite instars and adult cyclopoid copepods, although it is not a preferred food source"

"Copepods limited to K. brevis ate 480% as much as those fed only R. lens, suggesting that copepods attempted to compensate for low food quality with increased quantity ingested."

These are all different species of copepods and dinoflaggelates, but maybe what we can take away from it is that copepods in our aquariums might not want to eat dino's, but will. Would love to find an article about tisbe eating dinos.

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Old 10/01/2015, 03:57 PM   #1992
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Just dose 30 ml of phytoplankton into tank. Let's see how this experiment goes. Hoe many days should I dose until I see a Chang in dinos?


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I'm not convinced pelagic species last long in aquariums with fish, protein skimmers, filter socks, etc. Benthic tisbe seems to be the ticket. Amphipods eat copepods though. Why feed tisbe copepods phytoplankton right off the bat if they are detrivores that also consume dinos? They can feed on phytoplankton too, but I think that should only be an option when you can't visibly see food sources. Just an opinion, I'm sure there's more than one way to skin the cat.
All I asked was for a good source of phyto that people use, that's it. Can someone please tell me? I'm not interested in defending why I want it, that's not why I asked that question.



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Old 10/01/2015, 04:31 PM   #1994
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I use phytoplex and let it sit with some selcon first.


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I use phytoplex and let it sit with some selcon first.
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Old 10/01/2015, 08:14 PM   #1996
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Reef nutrition - Phyto Feast


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Old 10/01/2015, 08:45 PM   #1997
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Reef nutrition - Phyto Feast
Phyto feast or phyto feast live?


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Old 10/01/2015, 08:59 PM   #1998
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I just use the regular. It's super concentrated. Either would be fine though I bet


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Old 10/01/2015, 10:25 PM   #1999
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I just use the regular. It's super concentrated. Either would be fine though I bet
Cool thanks. Do you use it to culture seperately or just dose your tank. Do you have dino?


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All I asked was for a good source of phyto that people use, that's it. Can someone please tell me? I'm not interested in defending why I want it, that's not why I asked that question.
apologies, just get caught up in discussion sometimes.
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