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Old 11/06/2017, 11:50 AM   #2426
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your flow rate is generally limited to the plumbing. 1" pipe gravity fed maxes out at less then 1000 GPH and that is before you add bends and valves (valves even wide open restrict some).

I would go custom tank with ghost overflow all day everyday if I did my 150 again. I woudl also have 2 holes drilled for the returns.

I have a custom sump but then again with the 150 the sump was WAY too large for what was needed. For the smaller tanks like the 80 and such you dont gain any room going custom for most part but do gain some cool features like sock holders, holes for dosing tubes, probe racks, holes for reactor lines and more.

To tell you what return pump you would want to get is difficult as a lot of factors are involved such as if you would run a manifold or not. I personally LOVE my Fluval SP6 pump as it is super easy to clean, quiet, and packs a punch for the price. Your size tank a SP4 is likely sufficient.


As for the sump I am a large proponent in a fuge section. In mine I have marine pure plates and balls with some macro growing in there. Helps keep my phosphates and such to a minimum.


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Old 11/06/2017, 12:36 PM   #2427
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Thanks Soulpatch,
I asked Steve for a quote on a custom tank this morning. I'm leaning towards the
ghost or shadow overflow. It does seem to make a lot of sense, though I personally don't want to be the one cutting holes in a new tank, which is why I asked for the quote, rather
than getting a stock tank and cutting it on my own.

I do plan on making one section in the sump a refugium. I'm pretty sold on that as well.
I just have to decide on the skimmer and bioballs or a skimmer and socks. Anyway, you were a big help.

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Old 11/06/2017, 01:58 PM   #2428
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Skimmer and socks all day every day. Balls will need to be removed and cleaned at times or else they could be a potential nitrate issue.


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Old 11/06/2017, 02:05 PM   #2429
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Are bioballs even a thing anymore? I don't think I've seen them for sale anywhere in 10 years, although admittedly I haven't looked either.

Space for an ATS if I were to do it again. In the 55 or 80G the space left for a refugium is so small it's not really worth the effort. I would use the extra space in the sump for skimmer, socks, and an algae turf scrubber. Skip the refugium/macro idea altogether.


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Old 11/06/2017, 02:22 PM   #2430
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Thanks Homer,

You guys are good at spending my money. LOL.. via the algae scrubber and the
shadow or ghost overflow. I was considering a small refugium mostly for the pods.

As far as the bioballs, I'd rather stay away because I don't feel like cleaning them, tho I guess the socks have to be cleaned even more? I'll check into the algae scrubber.
My LFS was pushing the Eshopps sumps earlier today when I went by to get fresh water
for my water change. Any thoughts? He was high on them, but that's the brand they sell.

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ps.. I'm waiting on the quote from Steve, then I'll pull the trigger since he said its about a 10 week wait on anything custom, even adding the holes for the ghost overflow.


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Old 11/06/2017, 02:37 PM   #2431
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depends on the eshopps sump but for the money I think there are better options like Trigger personally.

I disagree with homer about the small space making it moot point. The small footprint just changes the type of macro. You will likely be more into culpera, ulva, and the like as opposed to chateo. Though with various types of sumps or custom they have decent sized fuge sections.

And as for the socks yes they need cleaned often but you can go with mesh sock which last longer and still filter out larger items. I run them and rinse once every 2 week or so...


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Old 11/06/2017, 02:43 PM   #2432
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Sumps are so simple to make, and cheap, plus you can put the baffles where you want. One of the reasons I cut the baffles out of the PNP system.

Of course premade is easy, but your stuck with what the manufacturer decided would work and they typically can't be changed(if made of acrylic).

Socks are a lot easier to clean then bioballs. They also serve different purposes. Socks are mechanical filtration, while bioballs are biological filtration. Socks can be used with the bioballs(again still not advisable anymore), or more rock, ceramic media, etc, to serve as a substitute for the bioballs(biological filtration).


With plenty of rockwork and a functioning ATS, pods won't be a problem. I have a leopard wrasse and mandarin, both fat and happy.


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Old 11/06/2017, 02:47 PM   #2433
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Of course I didn't think of the ascetic's either. Premade certainly looks nicer, but for me a sump is a place to hide the ugly. lol


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Old 11/06/2017, 02:58 PM   #2434
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store/custom sump is not only better looking but compared to the PNP is better laid out with adjustable weirs and holes for pumps, dosing, and more. Heck a company like Trigger will do any change you want for the most part for the same cost as retail. I did a lot to mine for no more then a normal trigger sump costs and I wish I had done even more.

Though I would likely advocate custom for most I do understand that I run a slightly more complex system with more tubing then most tend to set up....


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Old 11/06/2017, 03:21 PM   #2435
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Anything is a whole heck of a lot better then what comes with the PNP system no doubt. But if your going to buy the PNP system, it's a decent sump tank. Just keep in mind you might want to cut the prebuilt baffles out and remake it.


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Old 11/06/2017, 08:00 PM   #2436
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Thanks all,
Ive been running Steve ragged with all my pricing questions. He told me they have a 75 gallon too, but I don't see it on the web site. 36x24x20 I think he said. I'm leaning towards that or the 90 gallon which is 36x24x24 with the shadow ghost overflow box, and I guess using the bean animal method. Ill check out the Trigger sumps.

I don't want to wait 12 weeks or more for the tank to be cut and delivered, but I can still mess with my biocube till then. I have a tiny yellow tang that needs a larger home in the near future. He's the smallest one I've ever seen, which is the only reason I grabbed him up. My clowns were tiny when I got them too, but are growing fast. One grew a lot larger at first when they paired up, but are close to the same size now. That's been interesting to watch, but they still seemed to be paired up. They are always together in the tank and the larger one nips at the smaller one now and again. Its been fun to watch them.

I have a small pygmy angel too that gave the tang a hard time at first, but the tang is now the king of the tank even tho hes the smallest fish in there. Ill leave the angel in the biocube and move the others over. The angel really doesn't play well with any new inhabitants. I'd take him back but he's the wife's favorite. The same wife who didn't want anything to do with the me getting a tank but now wants something like you see on Tanked. Better than not caring a I guess

I'd like to get a Siamese angel and a yellow eyed Kole tang for the new tank, once its set up and going. Not sure of any others. Likely a carpenter wrasse and a diamond goby to keep the sand clean.

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Old 11/07/2017, 10:18 AM   #2437
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Got my custom SC-150 up!

Just getting my shopping list together on my plumbing. Already bought my substrate which is Tropic Eden Tonga MesoFlakes - 8 30lb bags. Also, installing the 20'' Synergy External Overflow box and a Ecotech M1 running my returns.


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Old 11/07/2017, 04:22 PM   #2438
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Old 11/08/2017, 06:10 PM   #2439
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Hey guys, this isn't solely SCA related but I have the chance to pick up a used Lifereef SVS2-24 skimmer for my SCA 66g.

I'm currently running the SCA 302. I don't really have complaints about it other than it takes a second to get itself going if you shut it off, but it skims pretty well.

So...since I don't NEED a new skimmer is the Lifereef "upgrade" worth it?

Anyone with experience with either skimmer or both or just have an educated opinion?


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Old 11/08/2017, 07:04 PM   #2440
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I have the lifereef and it is an incredible skimmer and I'd recommend all day every day

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Old 11/08/2017, 07:19 PM   #2441
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Yep. I upgraded a perfectly good enough skimmer because I came across a lifereef for a price I couldnít refuse.


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Old 11/08/2017, 08:40 PM   #2442
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Well, I don't know how good/bad the price is, but seems like the upgrade is a smart move.

It doesn't come with a pump, any suggestions on a pump for my size tank?


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Old 11/09/2017, 07:14 AM   #2443
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I️ run a jebao dcp 10000. Itís perfectly fine but if it died on me or I️ could do it over again Iíd get a fluval sp4. AC pumps will actually use LESS energy than DC pumps on this skimmer, and the only benefit to a dc pump is turning it down. Just keep in mind that the Venturi can handle a max flow of about 1600 gph. Any more than that itís just wasted energy, and the less you use, the less foam youíll get


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I️ run a jebao dcp 10000. Itís perfectly fine but if it died on me or I️ could do it over again Iíd get a fluval sp4. AC pumps will actually use LESS energy than DC pumps on this skimmer, and the only benefit to a dc pump is turning it down. Just keep in mind that the Venturi can handle a max flow of about 1600 gph. Any more than that itís just wasted energy, and the less you use, the less foam youíll get


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The Fluval SP4 says itís rated at 1822 gph. Is that not a bit overpowered? Based on your 1600 gph max?


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The Fluval SP4 says itís rated at 1822 gph. Is that not a bit overpowered? Based on your 1600 gph max?


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Old 11/09/2017, 10:50 AM   #2446
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I have a DC12000 on my lifereef. I typically run it darn near full power but prefer DC for the reason that at times I feed heavier or feeding corals and I can turn the pump down a few notches on the controller to ensure it doesnt pull anything out of the water column but it continues to supply O2 to the water. Also when and if I run something like chemipure I can change the flow rates without messing with valves

That all said the default pump sent with the lifereef is a mag18 which is 1800 GPH...


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Old 11/11/2017, 11:51 AM   #2447
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I have a WaterBlaster 7000 that's rated at 1800 gph. Maybe I can use that and not need to buy a new pump...


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Old 11/13/2017, 12:51 PM   #2448
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Anyone know if you can do a Bean Animal setup on the 50g PNP and add an additional hole or two for the return?


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Old 11/13/2017, 01:55 PM   #2449
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Anyone know if you can do a Bean Animal setup on the 50g PNP and add an additional hole or two for the return?
Yes! Steve does custom tanks so he should be able to do that no problem. Just give him a call. He will probably ask for a drawing of some type to know the location for the return hole(s)


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Thanks, any recommendations from the board as to ideal return location?


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